Edward Snowden, American Hero

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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby seemslikeadream » Sun Jun 23, 2013 10:10 am

Greenwald is on Meet the Press handing David Gregory his ass :)



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News of the day is that Snowden, the NSA leaker, has left Hong Kong and is headed to Russia -- and then to points beyond. Speculation is rife that he intends to make his home in Iceland, although there is allegedly a ticket for him out of Moscow bound for... wait for it.... Cuba.

Meanwhile a "bug" in Facebook's "Download Your Information" tool has disclosed that the company has been collecting and retaining more than you actually shared.

It appears that the firm has been "scraping" the web for information about its users and attaching it to their profiles without their knowledge or consent, including email addresses and phone numbers.

Are we worried about the wrong things?

Probably not -- we should be concerned about and put a stop to both.

Those who call Snowden a "traitor" or "treasonous" forget that he took two oaths -- first to maintain the secrecy of what he was entrusted with and a second, over-arching oath to The Constitution.

Note carefully that all of the "examples" of these programs cited thus far in "stopping" terrorism have included non-US persons -- where there is no problem. The problem is that the programs didn't stop there -- they included, and still include, "scraping" all metadata from phone companies in the United States that include billions of calls and messages between two US persons.

That is the blatantly unconstitutional act, and it is instructive to note that there have been no examples of that conduct trotted out as justification for the program. Gee, I wonder why?

When it comes to Facebook and similar, their "defense" is that they use this data to "improve your user experience." The question remains, however, where and how you gave consent to that collection, storage and dissemination in any form or by any means. It appears the answer is "you didn't" and they are relying on the idea that "whatever they can find is ok to use."

The real question is are you ok with this? Much like the "picture tagging" feature that Facebook has, this sort of thing is arguably legal but one has to question whether you want to, or should, expose anything they can find to collection and ultimately dissemination at their discretion.

The answer to that may lead you to unfriend Facebook just as quickly as you do the NSA -- or at least it should, if you have a shred of wisdom.
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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby barracuda » Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:08 pm

Trenchant Snowden commentary begins @ 6:08...

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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby JackRiddler » Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:15 pm

barracuda, before I waste precious minutes further overheating my obsolete machine, are you joking?
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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby barracuda » Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:22 pm

Kind of. I was interested to watch Ms. Palin go through her paces on this story. It's proving to be a highly flexible narrative.
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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:26 pm

barracuda » Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:22 am wrote:Kind of. I was interested to watch Ms. Palin go through her paces on this story. It's proving to be a highly flexible narrative.


Yeah, and fuck that, because it'll "flexible" right back into place once there's a GOP maverick sitting in the ceremonial throne for it.
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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby barracuda » Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:35 pm

Uh huh.
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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby DrEvil » Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:36 pm

It appears that the firm has been "scraping" the web for information about its users and attaching it to their profiles without their knowledge or consent, including email addresses and phone numbers.


Let's not forget that you might also have a profile even if you never signed up. Facebook collects info on you from your friends who are on facebook, and create a "dark" profile, in case you sign up in the future. A lot of people tend to forget that the only product facebook has to sell is your info.

I have an old facebook account with no picture and a (very) fake name, in addition to my real account. My old account still gets the "Find your friends on facebook" spam, and the scary bit is that many of the people they suggest are actual friends or acquaintances of mine, so they obviously know somehow who that account belongs to.

As a rule of thumb we should never believe anything out of Zuckerberg's mouth. He's been caught lying so many times now it's starting to look pathological.

(Incidentally - his name is very appropriate. He made his fortune off of a mountain (berg) of suckers :D )
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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby seemslikeadream » Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:33 pm

While I Was Sleeping
Apparently we are at war with Russia, China, Venezuela, and Ecuador and not a single journalist David Gregory knows in Washington has ever published classified information.
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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby seemslikeadream » Sun Jun 23, 2013 9:52 pm




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Published: February 17, 2013

CARACAS, Venezuela — President Rafael Correa of Ecuador swept to re-election on Sunday in a vote that showed the broad popularity of his government’s social programs and support for the poor in a country to which he has brought stability after years of political and economic turmoil.

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With about three-quarters of the ballots counted on Sunday evening, Mr. Correa had received 56 percent of the votes cast. Guillermo Lasso, a banker, the closest of his seven opponents, had 23 percent.

Thousands of supporters in the main square in Quito, the capital, began celebrating shortly after voting finished at 5 p.m., when television stations announced the result of exit polls showing Mr. Correa as the runaway winner.

“Many thanks for this immense trust,” Mr. Correa said from the balcony of the presidential palace. “We have never failed you, and we never will fail you.”

Critics of Mr. Correa have worried that such a strong mandate would embolden him to further concentrate power and proceed with policies that could limit press freedom and quash dissent.

Following the re-election last fall of President Hugo Chávez in Venezuela, Mr. Correa’s victory ratified the lasting appeal in the region of leftist governments that have used revenues from booming oil and mining industries to finance social welfare programs aimed at redistributing wealth and curbing inequality.

Now, with Mr. Chávez battling cancer, Mr. Correa could raise his profile as one of the most vocal leaders on the Latin American left.

Mr. Correa told reporters that he would continue policies aimed at ending poverty and diminishing inequality, saying the challenge of the next four years “is go faster and deeper in the same direction.”

His victory also highlighted the weakness of the political opposition in Ecuador. He faced a raft of opponents from across the political spectrum who split the vote from a fractured opposition that was unable to coalesce behind a single candidate or project a unified message.

Mr. Correa also won points from voters for bringing stability to Ecuador, a country that had seven presidents in the decade before he took office and was buffeted by severe economic problems. According to the new Constitution that was passed at his urging in 2008, Mr. Correa cannot run again when his new term ends in 2017.

Mr. Correa, an economist who studied at the University of Illinois, has improved access to education and health care for the poor and has built or improved thousands of miles of roads and highways. In a new term, he has pledged to continue signature social programs and to pass laws covering the news media, land reform and the penal code.

But he has governed with aggressive tactics that critics say undermine democracy by expanding presidential power; weakening the independence of the courts; and lashing out often at perceived enemies, including political opponents, the media and, at times, the United States.

“You have to trust Correa because he has done a lot that other governments never did in all these years,” said Rita Bastidas, a 42-year-old nurse, after voting for the president in the south of Quito. “Correa came along, and, in very little time, everything changed for the better.”

She added, “They accuse him of being authoritarian and arrogant, but this country needed someone like that to change things.”

An employee at the Ministry of Health said he voted against Mr. Correa because he did not like the way the president managed the health system, adding that qualified personnel had been pushed into retirement and replaced by members of Mr. Correa’s party.

“I want better days where they govern for everyone and not just for the greens,” he said, referring to the color used by the president’s party, Alianza País. The man spoke anonymously because he feared reprisals at work if it were known that he voted against the president.

Domingo Paredes, the president of the National Electoral Council, said Sunday that officials had detected an attack on electoral computer systems but that it was not successful.


Sunday, June 23, 2013

Ed Snowden Has Left the Building
7:45 p.m. NYT just posted Scott Shane interview with Assange today. Assange "said his group had arranged for Mr. Snowden to travel via a 'special refugee travel document' issued by Ecuador last Monday — days before the United States announced the criminal charges against him and revoked his passport. Mr. Assange said he believed that Ecuador was still considering Mr. Snowden’s asylum application."

1:40 I noted Charles Pierce's commentary below, but let me link directly to the McClatchy opus today on the extent of the war of leaks and transparency and public information. All of those mainstream media types--and even online liberal types--hitting Snowden and Greenwald and defending the surveillance state need to read it and comment.

I also like this Bart Gellman tweet just now: "my advocacy is for open debate of secret powers. That's what journalists do." And he defends himself from an attack here.

1:00 p.m. Ecuador reveals--on Twitter--that Snowden is seeking asylum there. Not sure that means that Venezuela is out. Might want options. BTW, how NYT covered smashing re-election of the country's president.

12:35 Below find the exchange on "MTP" where Gregory wonders why Greenwald shouldn't be criminalized himself (see my coverage below). Huff Post covers here with other quotes.


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12:10 p.m. Charles P. Pierce tremendously alarmed by that McClatchy scoop on "Nixonian" scope of Obama's crackdown on leaks (referenced by Greenwald below). Gregory and his kin more concerned about Greenwald as journalist than that crackdown that makes good journalism highly difficult.


11:55 Latest reports from the scene suggest Snowden staying at airport, after all, in "capsule" hotel. Also, Ecuador ambassador never did meet him, so maybe the going-to-Venezuela plan still #1. Finally, U.S. revoked his passport yesterday but Hong Kong let him fly out anyway. Russia, Cuba, others won't care.


11:05 David Gregory so embarrassed he actually shows Greenwald tweet after he was on show (see below) asking why need gov't to "criminalize" journalists when you can have Gregory doing it. Gregory ignoring that he also stated--did not simply ask--that Greenwald status raises question of "who is a journalist." Easy to see what he's implying. Would he ask Wash Post's Bart Gellman same question?

Now Chuck Todd raising issue of what Greenwald's real role was in leak, was he more than working with source, especially since he's a lawyer etc.

10:35 a.m. Greenwald from Brazil on "Meet the Press": Cites Snowden not feeling safe to return to Obama-era USA. David Gregory wonders when Snowden will reveal illegal acts that prove he is whistleblower not criminal. David Gregory claims FISA acting within law. Greenwald: "I don't know what gov't officials are whispering to YOU, David, but I have the documents...." Also cites NYT and McClatchy today. Admits Snowden broke law but did not commit espionage.

Gregory then asks why HE shouldn't be charged with crime for "aiding and abetting" criminal. Greenwald: "Extraordinary that anyone who calls himself a journalist would muse about that question." Gregory, abashed, claims he was just posing question asked by others, he doesn't take a side. Right. And then adds that case also raises question of "who is a journalist." Then hits Greenwald with more criticism of him for endangering national security from others.

Gregory then brings on Mike Rogers, Tom Coburn, Dick Durbin.

10:15 a.m. Interfax now reporting Snowden will spend night in Venezuela embassy in Moscow, not at airport.

9:30 a.m. RT TV with live coverage from the airport. And they say Ecuador's ambassador at airport. But Russia' Interfax claims a Venezuelan diplomat has collected him off plane and taken him away in a car on the tarmac.

9:20 a.m. WikiLeaks posts brief bio and another photo of Sarah Harrison, who is with Snowden now. Not a lawyer, but "legal researcher."... Dept of Justice, rebuffed by Hong Kong, says it will "pursue relevant law enforcement cooperation with other countries where Mr Snowden may be attempting to travel."

9:10 a.m. Glenn Greenwald will kick off "Meet the Press" in a few minutes--what, no John McCain?--on Snowden's flight.... Reports that plane landed at 9:03 ET.

9:00 a.m. Photo at left via RT shows journos and passengers at gate awaiting arrival of Snowden flight in Moscow. ... BBC points out that Snowden has no Russian visa so will have to sleep overnight at special area at the airport.

8:40 a.m. The Guardian notes tweet from Jon Williams of ABC News: "Snowden's Aeroflot flight to Havana passes thru US airspace. Will Federal authorities allow wanted man to fly over US or make plane land?"

8:05 a.m. Promised WikiLeaks statement just out: "He is bound for a democratic nation via a safe route for the purposes of asylum, and is being escorted by diplomats and legal advisors from WikiLeaks. Mr Snowden requested that WikiLeaks use its legal expertise and experience to secure his safety. Once Mr Snowden arrives at his final destination his request will be formally processed." And now WikiLeaks on Twitter says flight will touch down in Moscow within the hour.

Reuters' source confirms Snowden booked for Cuba and on to Caracas.



7:50 a.m. Photo left of WikiLeaks staffer Sarah Harrison who is accompanying Snowden on flight, at Frontline Club in London. Video of her speaking here. ...That Hong Kong newspaper says local human rights experts helped Snowden, also.

7:00 a.m. ET The Guardian actually has a live blog on the Flight of Snowden (see AP story below). One of latest updates: Naming his WikiLeaks companion and claim they are book on flight to Cuba on Monday.

Also, you can follow his airliner on its path here, as it nears Moscow. News report on Julian Assange claiming he brokered the move.
(AP) A former National Security Agency contractor wanted by the United States for revealing highly classified surveillance programs has been allowed to leave for a “third country” because a U.S. extradition request did not fully comply with Hong Kong law, the territory’s government said Sunday.

Hong Kong’s government did not identify the country, but the South China Morning Post, which has been in contact with Edward Snowden, reported that he was on a plane for Moscow, but that Russia was not his final destination.

Snowden, who has been in hiding in Hong Kong for several weeks since he revealed information on the highly classified spy programs, has talked of seeking asylum in Iceland.

However, Russia’s ITAR-Tass news agency cited an unidentified Aeroflot official as saying Snowden would fly from Moscow to Cuba on Monday and then on to Caracas, Venezuela.

The anti-secrecy group WikiLeaks took credit for helping Snowden leave Hong Kong, saying on Twitter, “Mr. Snowden is currently over Russian airspace accompanied by WikiLeaks legal advisors.”
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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:38 am

plane takes off from Russia for Cuba 20 journalist aboard.....one empty seat.....Snowden not aboard :) msnbc


Edward Snowden appears to show up the U.S. again
The 30-year-old NSA leaker manages to make Washington seem stumped as he slips out of Hong Kong and lands in Russia, apparently planning to end up in Ecuador.

A diplomatic car from the Ecuador Embassy in Russia stands at Sheremetyevo airport in Moscow on Sunday. Edward Snowden, the former contractor for the U.S. National Security Agency, arrived in Moscow from Hong Kong and has reportedly asked for asylum in Ecuador. (Igor Kharitonov / EPA / June 23, 2013)


By Richard A. Serrano and Sergei L. Loiko
June 23, 2013, 9:44 p.m.
MOSCOW — The hunt for Edward Snowden stretched around the globe Sunday as the 30-year-old leaker of U.S. classified material flew out of Hong Kong under cover of darkness, dropped into the protective embrace of Russia and made plans to hopscotch through Cuba and Venezuela to eventual asylum in Ecuador.

His stealthy movements, aided by the anti-secrecy WikiLeaks organization and its high-powered lawyers, played out like an international game of Where's Waldo. The American citizen — a traitor to some and a folk hero to others — kept a step ahead of his government, which has charged him with violating the Espionage Act and revoked his U.S. passport in an effort to bring him to ground.

In his rush to elude arrest, the onetime low-level computer analyst appeared to be showing up the most powerful national security apparatus in the world, just as his campaign to expose vast U.S. surveillance programs had embarrassed the Obama administration by contradicting the president's pledge to run a government with an "unprecedented level of openness."

With the collusion of several governments, Snowden managed over the weekend to make Washington appear stumped in its attempts to extradite the former National Security Agency contract worker for leaking details of secret phone and Internet eavesdropping programs.

The drama afforded nations with histories of being thorns in the side of the U.S. a rare and low-cost opportunity to frustrate the administration.

Nevertheless, administration officials remained confident that, despite not succeeding in having Snowden detained in Hong Kong, they will eventually catch their man. "The belt will tighten. We will get him," said one Department of Justice official, speaking anonymously because of the delicate matter of handling both a criminal case and an awkward game of multinational diplomacy.

President Obama is not the only party to the drama caught in the contradictory politics of secrecy. Snowden has portrayed himself as a campaigner for openness and freedom of the press. However, Ecuador, his apparent haven in South America, has had a checkered history on that score. This month, the Ecuadorean Congress, at President Rafael Correa's insistence, passed a law that prohibits news organizations from publishing classified or confidential government documents or material from personal documents without their owner's permission.

Any hopes that Justice Department and national security officials might have had for gaining a helping hand from Moscow appeared frustrated Sunday by indications that Russia, like Hong Kong, did not appear to want to keep Snowden for long.

"Moscow sees his presence as a big unasked-for headache and pretends he is not here," said Andrei Kortunov, president of the New Eurasia Foundation, a Moscow think tank. "Moscow is being very cautious as on the one hand it doesn't want to further damage their relations with the United States and on the other, it doesn't want to appear [to be] bowing to Americans."

U.S. prosecutors charged Snowden on a criminal complaint filed under seal June 14, accusing him of unauthorized communication of national defense information and providing U.S. classified intelligence to an unauthorized person, both Espionage Act violations, as well as theft of government property. He faces 30 years in prison, and potentially much more if federal prosecutors follow through with a grand jury indictment in the next 60 days, which they plan to do.

"The chase is on," said Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), who agreed that time was of the essence, especially since Snowden has suggested that he is on the brink of revealing more classified secrets.

"I wanna get him caught and brought back for trial," the chairwoman of the Senate Intelligence Committee said on CBS' "Face the Nation." "And I think we need to know exactly what he has. He could have a lot, lot more. It may really put people in jeopardy."

Washington was trying to anticipate Snowden's moves and halt his dash toward a safe harbor.

"Persons wanted on felony charges, such as Mr. Snowden, should not be allowed to proceed in any further international travel, other than is necessary to return him to the United States," said Jen Psaki, spokeswoman at the State Department.

The Justice Department's spokeswoman, Nanda Chitre, said, "We will pursue relevant law enforcement cooperation with other countries where Mr. Snowden may be attempting to travel."

The prosecution of Snowden became public Friday evening when the Justice Department unsealed the week-old criminal complaint. It was at that moment, said one Justice Department official, that discussions between the United States and Hong Kong went flat: The spying charges "raised political concerns and put a new dimension on things," he said.

Snowden, the official said, was never "detained" in Hong Kong or held "under any kind of police protection" while he was residing at an undisclosed safe house. Crucially for the U.S., there was a delay in getting Hong Kong to respond to the criminal warrant and arranging an extradition hearing.

Top officials in Hong Kong also needed to brief the Chinese government in Beijing about detaining Snowden for extradition to the United States.

"There was a lot of red tape, but we thought it would get done," the official said.

Jeffrey Bader, a senior White House advisor on China during Obama's first term, surmised that Hong Kong would have had latitude to decide what to do with Snowden without Beijing's interference. Either way, he said, Hong Kong was "probably happy to get this off their plate."

The U.S. had expected Hong Kong to follow through on Washington's request to deliver Snowden over for prosecution, according to another Justice Department official. On Wednesday, Atty. Gen. Eric H. Holder Jr. telephoned his counterpart in Hong Kong, Secretary for Justice Rimsky Yuen, "stressing the importance of the matter and urging Hong Kong to honor our request for Snowden's arrest," the official said.

Also working their channels were U.S. State Department and consulate officials in the Chinese territory, as well as FBI agents talking to their colleagues there.

But when the criminal complaint was made public, Hong Kong asked for more information about the charges and for "evidence" against Snowden. The official said the U.S. "was in the process of responding … when we learned that Hong Kong authorities had allowed the fugitive to leave." The final response of the city's administration to the U.S. was that it "found our request insufficient," he said.


Snowden reportedly headed for Cuba after Moscow stopover

Snowden seeks asylum in Ecuador, government says

China has several options on Edward Snowden
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Officials in the Chinese territory said Sunday that without "sufficient information to process the request for provisional warrant of arrest, there is no legal basis to restrict Mr. Snowden from leaving Hong Kong."

Snowden landed Sunday afternoon at Sheremetyevo airport in Moscow. He was taken by car under some sort of Russian protection to what the U.S. official said was a "comfort zone" in the airport transit area.

A Russian Foreign Ministry official, also speaking on condition of anonymity, said Snowden indicated he had planned to leave Monday for Caracas, Venezuela, via Havana. But then the Ecuadorean ambassador to Russia, apparently at Snowden's request, arrived at the airport. With the ambassador's car idling out front, the two men launched into private discussions.

Snowden then said he would seek political asylum in Ecuador, the Russian Foreign Ministry official said, and booked a seat on a 6 a.m. Aeroflot flight to Havana, with plans to push on to Caracas and then to Quito.

Ecuadorean Foreign Minister Ricardo Patino said simply in a brief Twitter message: "The government of Ecuador has received an asylum request from Edward Snowden."

Snowden may have chosen Ecuador because WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has been claiming asylum in the Ecuadorean Embassy in London for a year. Assange is trying to avoid facing criminal charges of sexual assault in Sweden, which he says are politically motivated, and possible criminal prosecution in the U.S. for publishing classified material allegedly leaked by Army Pfc. Bradley Manning, who is being court-martialed this summer at Ft. Meade, Md.

Now WikiLeaks has come to the aid of Snowden. "He is bound for the Republic of Ecuador via a safe route for the purposes of asylum, and is being escorted by diplomats and legal advisors from WikiLeaks," the organization said in a statement.

WikiLeaks quoted a prominent former Spanish judge, Baltasar Garzon, who is now the organization's legal director and Assange's attorney, as saying: "What is being done to Mr. Snowden and to Mr. Julian Assange — for making or facilitating disclosures in the public interest — is an assault against the people."
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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby 8bitagent » Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:40 pm

God, John Kerry is such a sell out. And I share the right wing's disgust at Dianne Feinstein. But ha, this is becoming an interesting cat and mouse game or real life movie.
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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby swindled69 » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:16 pm

So he sought out the job? This thing is going to blow up. I can't wait to see what's in this other pages of docs. I bet he's got some really.good.stuff.


http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/arti ... rveillance



Snowden secured a job with a US government contractor for one reason alone - to obtain evidence of Washington's cyberspying networks, the South China Morning Post can reveal.

For the first time, Snowden has admitted he sought a position at Booz Allen Hamilton so he could collect proof about the US National Security Agency's secret surveillance programmes ahead of planned leaks to the media.

"My position with Booz Allen Hamilton granted me access to lists of machines all over the world the NSA hacked," he told the Post on June 12. "That is why I accepted that position about three months ago."
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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby swindled69 » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:25 pm

In a side note about Facebook: I finally realized a year ago that something was up when I synced my smart phone with my "Facebook contacts". I looked in my phone and I literally had hundreds of phone numbers, emails and addresses of folks that some, I didn't even know except through Facebook. It creeped me out really bad.

So I did some checking and the really scary thing was that some of these people had NONE of their info posted as public info on page.

I deleted my page shorty after.
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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby barracuda » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:36 pm

"The chase is on," said Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), who agreed that time was of the essence, especially since Snowden has suggested that he is on the brink of revealing more classified secrets.


Time is of the essence? Two weeks after the first worldwide publication of top secret classified documents they finally decide to charge him with a crime? They wait until the day he receives Ecuadorian travel papers to revoke his passport?

M'kay.

I guess it's a good thing he wasn't a small time drug user. He'd be rotting in jail already.
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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby NeonLX » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:38 pm

swindled69 » Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:16 pm wrote:So he sought out the job? This thing is going to blow up. I can't wait to see what's in this other pages of docs. I bet he's got some really.good.stuff.


I sure hope so. His admission immediately led me to think, "Well, that's that...might as well bring down the curtain".
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