How Bad Is Global Warming?

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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby coffin_dodger » Wed Aug 07, 2013 9:24 pm

JackRiddler » Wed Aug 07, 2013 8:23 pm wrote:Last October a hurricane hit New York City, home of the permanent world media shit-storm and the most self-important people in the world, for the second year in a row. It destroyed swaths of several neighborhoods, flooded some rich ones, shut down and seriously damaged the subway, and blanked out the power for a LOT of people, including a LOT of rich people. We all understand weather isn't climate, but a prudent, rational society would remember this and would be treating it as a very likely symptom of climate change and the need to revolutionize energy extraction as well as production and consumption. And in the ongoing mayoral election, the greatest attention has been devoted, not to this, not to the destruction of the school system under mayoral control, not to the revolt against racist policing policy, not to matters of the New York budget, not to economic inequality, but to the fact that a long-ago finished candidate running a vanity campaign likes to take and e-mail pictures of his dick.


Driven home with absolute clarity, Jack.

When an individual believes that the society in which they inhabit is insane.. is the individual insane? It's getting kinda blurry.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Iamwhomiam » Thu Aug 08, 2013 1:00 pm

Hope I'll have time to add to the discussion sometime soon, but for now I'll just respond to coffin_dodger's question, "When an individual believes that the society in which they inhabit is insane.. is the individual insane?"

Although I immediately see two possible answers, both leaves one with questions.

Indeed, our entire world is insane, everything exists only because they thrive on their fellow but different species. However, aside accepting this madness as the norm, one could choose to either fight to limit the raging insanity, or choose to accept it as normal. Those who choose to fight the rampant madness might be seen by those accepting of it to be mad themselves.

Let's face it, we don't even have the sensibility of krill, who know enough to migrate to survivable clime. We have madmen like Bloomberg who thinks spending other peoples money building seawalls will be preparation enough to protect his people from the devastation to come.

The slow pace assures us millions will die while the more mobile wealthy command and redirect resources to aid their comfortable migration.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Ben D » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:38 pm

:shock:
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/07/12/2292091/sharknado-global-warming-this-is-humor/

Sharknado Slams Los Angeles, Media Blames Global Warming

As the national media reported, the local media blamed this on climate change: “Global warming IS the reason…”

So exclaims a local TV news reporter as a sharknado—a climate-change-abetted windstorm that sucks in an armada of malevolent sharks—approaches the heart of Los Angeles.

Based on my conversations with leading climate scientists, it seems premature at best for a pre-documentary to pre-attribute an individual sharknado to climate change. I examined the climate/tornado link in great detail here and concluded:

When discussing extreme weather and climate, tornadoes should not be conflated with the other extreme weather events for which the connection is considerably more straightforward and better documented, including deluges, droughts, and heat waves.
Just because the tornado-warming link is more tenuous doesn’t mean that the subject of global warming should be avoided entirely when talking about tornadoes.

Significantly, Harold Brooks, a senior scientist at NOAA’s National Severe Storms Laboratory, told the media this week, “There are records of small fish being picked up by waterspouts, but sharks are pretty big and that makes it a lot harder.”

This suggests that if there ever is a sharknado, global warming probably played a role in creating convection and winds capable of entraining a significant number of sharks.

This footage underscores that point:



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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Luther Blissett » Fri Aug 09, 2013 3:17 pm

Are those who deny that climate change is happening or is anthropogenic in nature pleased that their "side" is winning? They don't seem like it.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Hammer of Los » Fri Aug 09, 2013 3:55 pm

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Many planetary changes are underway.

Perhaps not all of them are due to anthropogenic greenhousing effect.

Da sun's been a bit funny lately.

Plus other tings.

I dunno.

Don't jump down my throat dear wintler!

I'll apologise in advance for my heretical musings.

Must not think heretical thoughts, must not think heretical thoughts...

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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Ben D » Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:34 pm

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Looming_weak_solar_max_may_herald_frosty_times_999.html

Looming weak solar max may herald frosty times

by Staff Writers Moscow (SPX) Aug 09, 2013

The current solar activity cycle, possibly the weakest in 100 years, is approaching its maximum. This may signal a future low period for the sun, probably not unlike the one that caused the so-called Little Ice Age from the mid-16th to mid-19th centuries.

Solar activity can be easily monitored by the number of sun spots. Regular recordings of the phenomenon have been available since the middle of the 18th century, with the star's activity reaching peaks about every 11 years. The current Solar Cycle 24, is about to pass its prime in a matter of months, according to observations.

One indicator of the upcoming change is the reduction of solar magnetic activity. Every cycle peak the sun's magnetic field flips polarity due to reorganization of its inner dynamo.

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The sun is currently at the maximum of Solar Cycle
24, but as this graph shows, there are far fewer
sunspots during this peak than there have been
in past cycles (Image credit: Hathaway/NASA/MSFC)

"The sun's north pole has already changed sign, while the south pole is racing to catch up," says Phil Scherrer, solar physicist at Stanford's Wilcox Solar Observatory, which has been monitoring the sun's polar magnetic fields since 1976.

"Soon, however, both poles will be reversed, and the second half of Solar Max will be underway," he added as cited by NASA Science.

Solar Cycle 24 is unusual on several accounts. It came late about a year, with extremely low activity recorded throughout 2009, which made astronomers shift a predicted 2012 peak to 2013. Also a few years ago the northern hemisphere of the sun became significantly more active than the southern, with the latter trying to catch up.

Further muddying the water is the fact that the previous four cycles had double peaks rather than single ones. The sun was quite active in 2011, but then went into a lull, with fewer-than-expected sunspots and solar flares in 2012 and 2013.

The current cycle is likely to have an in-between peak too, some NASA scientists say, with a second spike expected in late 2013 to early 2014. The increased activity would be due to the lagging southern hemisphere as the main driver.

Possible explanations for the sun's latest odd behavior were discussed last month at a meeting of the Astronomical Society's Solar Physics Division. Scientists agree that Cycle 24 is already among the weakest reported.

"Not only is this the smallest cycle we've seen in the space age, it's the smallest cycle in 100 years," NASA/Marshall Space Flight Center research scientist David Hathaway said.

Some more radical explanations sound quite alarming. Matthew Penn of the National Solar Observatory says the strength of magnetic field in sunspots in waning, and the sunspot cycle may disappear altogether.

"If this trend continues, there will be almost no spots in Cycle 25, and we might be going into another Maunder Minimum," he said.

Maunder Minimum is a period between about 1645 and 1715, in which sunspots became extremely rare. In fact some 18th century astronomers believed sunspots to be a myth. The period coincides with the so-called Little Ice Age, a time when the climate became cold enough for the River Thames in London to freeze in winter. On the gloomier side, the colder summers and harsh winters sealed the fate of the Viking colonies in Greenland, as its population starved and died out.

While there is no certainty that the Little Ice Age was caused primarily by the decreased solar activity, a link does exist. If the next solar cycles are even quieter that the current one, and a cooling takes place, it may counteract the global warming trend over the next few decades.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Ben D » Sat Aug 10, 2013 7:03 am

justdrew » Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:38 pm wrote:
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NOAA's Arctic division maintains a couple of webcams at the North Pole, and one of them is showing a pretty impressive meltwater lake forming around it. Previous years show small ponds forming and refreezing throughout the summer, but this year nearly all the snow in view of the camera has melted into a lake-sized slush.


http://rare.us/story/associated-press-retracts-bogus-north-pole-lake-photo/#sthash.IBFFMxMX.dpuf

The green fraud
Associated Press retracts bogus North Pole lake photo


The Associated Press issued a formal retraction of a photo it published that claimed to show that a large lake had formed at the North Pole due to global warming.

In its retraction, the AP admitted that not only was the “lake” simply a small melt-pond but that it was natural, not due to global warming. The AP also admitted that the “lake” wasn’t even at the North Pole, explaining that the monitoring station where the photo was taken had drifted hundreds of miles to the south.

UPDATE: Full AP retraction

Editors, photo editors, and photo librarians – please eliminate AP photo NY109 that was sent on Saturday, July 27, 2013. The caption inaccurately stated that “the shallow metlwater lake is occuring due to an unusually warm period.” In fact, the water accumulates in this way every summer. In addition, the images do not necessarily show conditions at the North Pole, because the weather buoy carrying the camera used by the North Pole Environmental Observatory has drifted hundreds of miles from its original position, which was a few dozen miles from the North Pole.

UPDATE 2: The backstory

A few weeks ago a photo made the rounds of news websites and blogs purportedly showing a scientific monitoring station at the North Pole surrounded by what appeared to be a large lake. Silly liberal journalists and bloggers blamed global warming, wringing their hands that if the North Pole was melting then the rest of the planet couldn’t be far behind, or something.
“The continued heating of the seas and melting ice caps does not bode well for ice cover in the arctic. Sorry, Santa Claus. It may be time to move to one of those ice bars,” Yahoo News wrote July 24.

But as we at Rare reported July 28, that simply wasn’t the case. You see, such “lakes” are really small melt ponds that form naturally every year on Arctic ice floes during the summertime. They’re not due to global warming at all.

Second, the research station in question isn’t even at the North Pole. In fact, the ice floe it’s mounted to has drifted — again naturally — hundreds of miles south.

“[T]he cameras in question, which are attached to instruments that scientists have deposited on the sea ice at the start of each spring since 2002, may have “North Pole” in their name, but they are no longer located at the North Pole. In fact, as this map below shows, they have drifted well south of the North Pole, since they sit atop sea ice floes that move along with ocean currents,” according to Climate Central.

Oops. Still, we’re glad AP finally got around to retracting the bogus photo it sent to every newspaper in the world.

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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby brainpanhandler » Sat Aug 10, 2013 7:11 am

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." - Martin Luther King Jr.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Ben D » Sat Aug 10, 2013 7:45 am


Ok bph, the mods have warned you on more than one occasion for personally attacking me and using this same link. I've actually lost count of the actual number of times you done it, and given the recent general warning from the mods that it would no longer be tolerated, this time I expect an appropriate response from the moderators.

I've suspected in the past that you gotten a free pass on this sort of thing, so let us leave it to the mods based on their best judgement on this occasion.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby brainpanhandler » Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:01 am

Ben D » Sat Aug 10, 2013 6:45 am wrote:

Ok bph, the mods have warned you on more than one occasion for personally attacking me and using this same link. I've actually lost count of the actual number of times you done it, and given the recent general warning from the mods that it would no longer be tolerated, this time I expect an appropriate response from the moderators.

I've suspected in the past that you gotten a free pass on this sort of thing, so let us leave it to the mods based on their best judgement on this occasion.



PFFTTTT...

I know what the mods think of you ben. OK. And it doesn't really matter whether they agree with me or not wrt how they enforce the rules or whether I should abide by them. But I will gladly "suffer" whatever small punishment one of them might feel necessary to impose on me.

I will link to that locked thread every fucking time I see your bullshit on this board to warn unwary members of your two faced lying bullshit. Got it.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Hammer of Los » Sat Aug 10, 2013 9:18 am

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Ha ha ha!

shitshoveller wrote:I will link to that locked thread every fucking time I see your bullshit on this board to warn unwary members of your two faced lying bullshit. Got it.


Pottymouth!

You not nice man.

You never gonna send me my cards huh?

Back on topic.

Thanks for the informative posts Mr BenD.

Knowitalls don't know it all.

I love your sig line too, by the way!

Namaste!

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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Iamwhomiam » Sat Aug 10, 2013 3:23 pm

Hammer, I'm surprised by your comment and think it stinks.

Ben, without regard to your interchange with bph, it does seem like you're now saying, "It's not the Sun, Stupid."

bph, no need to get wetted today from yesterday's rain.

One can only wonder whether the poles will both settle gently or surprise us.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Ben D » Sat Aug 10, 2013 6:39 pm

Iamwhomiam » Sun Aug 11, 2013 5:23 am wrote:Ben, without regard to your interchange with bph, it does seem like you're now saying, "It's not the Sun, Stupid."

Not Iam, there is no consensus among solar scientists about the extent of solar impact on global climate temperatures. What is agreed is that the TSI (Total Solar Irradiance) did not vary much during the last 150 years while global temperature have increased 0.6 D C over the same period. So while on the surface this means orthodox solar scientists dismiss the sun as having a significant effect over relatively short time periods, contrarians suggest that TSI is not all there is to it. The scientific debate is generally way over my head, but I follow the it nevertheless, and manage to pick up a better understanding along the way.

In any event, there is a growing consensus among solar scientists that the Sun is heading for a Maunder minimum, and though again there is no consensus, there are many solar scientists predicting a fairly sudden cooling for the planet over the next few decades. This will be a wonderful time for scientists to learn more about the sun's affect on global climate as apparently, the TSI will remain the same and so if the temperature do fall, those 'there is more to it than TSI' solar scientists will have proven their point.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby wintler2 » Sat Aug 10, 2013 9:12 pm

Ben D » Sat Aug 10, 2013 5:39 pm wrote:
Iamwhomiam » Sun Aug 11, 2013 5:23 am wrote:Ben, without regard to your interchange with bph, it does seem like you're now saying, "It's not the Sun, Stupid."

Not Iam, there is no consensus among solar scientists about the extent of solar impact on global climate temperatures. What is agreed is that the TSI (Total Solar Irradiance) did not vary much during the last 150 years while global temperature have increased 0.6 D C over the same period. So while on the surface this means orthodox solar scientists dismiss the sun as having a significant effect over relatively short time periods, contrarians suggest that TSI is not all there is to it. The scientific debate is generally way over my head, but I follow the it nevertheless, and manage to pick up a better understanding along the way.

IOW: i couldn't find anything to support my pro-polluter opinion but am incapable of admitting it.

BenD wrote:In any event, there is a growing consensus among solar scientists that the Sun is heading for a Maunder minimum, and though again there is no consensus, there are many solar scientists predicting a fairly sudden cooling for the planet over the next few decades. This will be a wonderful time for scientists to learn more about the sun's affect on global climate as apparently, the TSI will remain the same and so if the temperature do fall, those 'there is more to it than TSI' solar scientists will have proven their point.

IOW: ask me again in 50 years.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby wintler2 » Sat Aug 10, 2013 9:20 pm

Global Heatwave: Temperatures Reaching Record Levels in UK, China, Korea, Austria and Hungary
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/49807 ... ungary.htm

Countries across the world are witnessing record temperatures, with Korea, China and many parts of Europe in the grip of heatwaves.

Health authorities across the globe have issued warnings about the dangers of hot weather, with people living in affected areas told to seek shade and drink lots of water. The UK's Met Office says that, during a heatwave, children and elderly people are at particular risk.

The UK has already experienced a heatwave this year, with July being the third hottest month on record. The hottest day of the year so far was 1 August, when the mercury at Heathrow rose to 34.2C. However this record is expected to be beaten in the very near future. ..

China
Since the start of the heatwave around two weeks ago, at least 10 people have died in Shanghai from the scorching temperatures and the government was forced to issue a heat alert.
To keep cool, people in Beijing have been visiting the air-conditioned paradise of Ikea. The Swedish furniture store has witnessed a surge in visitors in recent weeks, with people taking the chance to chill out on sofas and beds. ..

South Korea

Record temperatures have been recorded in South Korea for the past week, forcing the government to issue a warning about power shortages as electricity consumption increases.
An official from Korea Power Exchange said. "We breathed a sigh of relief after the daytime high temperature in Seoul was three degrees lower than forecast, but the supply shortage is expected to worsen as the heatwave continues."
Heat alerts were issued for most of the country, with temperatures remaining at around 35C. In Ulsan, the hottest day for 30 years was measured when the mercury climbed to 38.8C.
Night-time temperatures have remained higher than 25C for most parts of South Korea. Weather officials have said the hot weather is likely to continue for at least another week.

Hungary
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Austria
Hungary's neighbour Austria has witnessed record-breaking temperauters of 40.5C, beating the record 39.9C set five days earlier. ..

Bulgaria
A Code Yellow heatwave alert was issued by the Bulgarian government on 8 August after mercury rose to 38C in parts of the country. Code Yellow is the second-highest warning in the country's alert system, with Red indicating extremely dangerous weather. ...
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