How Bad Is Global Warming?

[Jerky]

http://www.epw.senate.gov/public/index. ... 4616db87e6

This site has more people, but I don't much care for their tone, otherwise. Still makes for some interesting alternative reading.

Jerky

[Jerky]

“I am a skeptic…Global warming has become a new religion.” - Nobel Prize Winner for Physics, Ivar Giaever.

“Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly….As a scientist I remain skeptical.” - Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to receive a PhD in meteorology and formerly of NASA who has authored more than 190 studies and has been called “among the most preeminent scientists of the last 100 years.”

Warming fears are the “worst scientific scandal in the history…When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.” - UN IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning PhD environmental physical chemist.

“The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn’t listen to others. It doesn’t have open minds… I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists,” - Indian geologist Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia at Punjab University and a board member of the UN-supported International Year of the Planet.

“The models and forecasts of the UN IPCC "are incorrect because they only are based on mathematical models and presented results at scenarios that do not include, for example, solar activity.” - Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera, a researcher at the Institute of Geophysics of the National Autonomous University of Mexico

“It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who don’t buy into anthropogenic global warming.” - U.S Government Atmospheric Scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg of the Hurricane Research Division of NOAA.

“Even doubling or tripling the amount of carbon dioxide will virtually have little impact, as water vapour and water condensed on particles as clouds dominate the worldwide scene and always will.” – . Geoffrey G. Duffy, a professor in the Department of Chemical and Materials Engineering of the University of Auckland, NZ.

“After reading [UN IPCC chairman] Pachauri's asinine comment [comparing skeptics to] Flat Earthers, it's hard to remain quiet.” - Climate statistician Dr. William M. Briggs, who specializes in the statistics of forecast evaluation, serves on the American Meteorological Society's Probability and Statistics Committee and is an Associate Editor of Monthly Weather Review.

“For how many years must the planet cool before we begin to understand that the planet is not warming? For how many years must cooling go on?" - Geologist Dr. David Gee the chairman of the science committee of the 2008 International Geological Congress who has authored 130 plus peer reviewed papers, and is currently at Uppsala University in Sweden.

“Gore prompted me to start delving into the science again and I quickly found myself solidly in the skeptic camp…Climate models can at best be useful for explaining climate changes after the fact.” - Meteorologist Hajo Smit of Holland, who reversed his belief in man-made warming to become a skeptic, is a former member of the Dutch UN IPCC committee.

“Many [scientists] are now searching for a way to back out quietly (from promoting warming fears), without having their professional careers ruined.” - Atmospheric physicist James A. Peden, formerly of the Space Research and Coordination Center in Pittsburgh.

“Creating an ideology pegged to carbon dioxide is a dangerous nonsense…The present alarm on climate change is an instrument of social control, a pretext for major businesses and political battle. It became an ideology, which is concerning.” - Environmental Scientist Professor Delgado Domingos of Portugal, the founder of the Numerical Weather Forecast group, has more than 150 published articles.

“CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another….Every scientist knows this, but it doesn’t pay to say so…Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver’s seat and developing nations walking barefoot.” - Dr. Takeda Kunihiko, vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu University in Japan.

“The [global warming] scaremongering has its justification in the fact that it is something that generates funds.” - Award-winning Paleontologist Dr. Eduardo Tonni, of the Committee for Scientific Research in Buenos Aires and head of the Paleontology Department at the University of La Plata. # #

In addition, the report will feature new peer-reviewed scientific studies and analyses refuting man-made warming fears and a heavy dose of inconvenient climate developments. (See Below: Study: Half of warming due to Sun! –Sea Levels Fail to Rise? - Warming Fears in 'Dustbin of History')

[Jerky]

I would also like to reiterate that I believe that the planet IS in the middle of a global ecological disaster. It just isn't the one we're being told to devote 100 percent of our attention to by the Powers That Be.

Jerky

[Rory]

Ivar Giaever?

Great - another layman talking about shit he doesn't understand. Wonderful stuff

[Iamwhomiam]

Humor with well deserved snark, Jerky. I still love you, wrong as you are.

Whenever we seek to condemn another we should first be sure we ourselves are not that which we're condemning. Perceiving some as being closed-minded, their thinking confined as though by the walls of a box, is humorous to those who work with science and math in ways never before explored. Some might even say that would be an ignorant thing to do, to so wrongly perceive them as close minded. Some might say those who would were blind to the truth and were purposely being misleading.

Some so-called climate change deniers are not at all skeptical about man's contribution to warming our climate, they are well aware that our climate is warming due to man's influence (effluence?) and these are pure capitalists. Capitalists who want no restrictions whatsoever on their wealth-producing industry; no expenses unnecessary to producing wealth, like paying for pollution controls. (Bribery is often cheaper)

Slowing climate change successfully demands radical change to our current business model, more radical than any sort of governmental regulatory action ever before taken by any governmental agency anywhere against any industry, and this action would impact every industry and be enforced by every government.

Some people love their fucking money more than they do their their yet to be born grandchildren, and that's most people today, whether they rich beyond belief or starving, but their rationale for their carefree attitudes are more than a bit different.

A vastly different world is possible.

[Rory]

Not all climate skeptics (a great deal of whom are climate scientists) are conspiracy theorists.

Yes, you're right. The majority of climate change skeptics are libertarian, laissez faire capitalist fucktards. The next biggest grouping of skeptics are 'credulous simpletons'. That they are considered to be conspiracy theorists by some is a conicidence

[Jerky]

So what does that make me, Rory?

Not all climate skeptics (a great deal of whom are climate scientists) are conspiracy theorists.

Yes, you're right. The majority of climate change skeptics are libertarian, laissez faire capitalist fucktards. The next biggest grouping of skeptics are 'credulous simpletons'. That they are considered to be conspiracy theorists by some is a conicidence

[Jerky]

That's one.

Ivar Giaever?

Great - another layman talking about shit he doesn't understand. Wonderful stuff

[Iamwhomiam]

Jerky, I'll have to respond later to you list of skeptics.

Rory, "That they are considered to be conspiracy theorists by some is a coincidence"

Obviously the result of bad modeling.

[Rory]

Wear your own hat, my old pal Jerky - don't let other people chose it for you, if it is not to your taste or style

[Jerky]

Basically I was asking which specific category among your limited choices did you think I belong in, based on my years here at RigInt, and also my decade of published materials at the Daily Dirt (if you were a reader, and if not, no worries).

So am I a libertarian fucktard or a credulous simpleton?

[Jerky]

I bring it up to highlight the fact that, more and more, the less mature, more infantile, angry, logically falacious and posturing rhetoric that I see on the topic is coming from the AGW side, and NOT the "denialist" side.

Also, if you trace the money, there are an awful lot of pro AGW people who are funded by companies we would be well advised to be wary of (Rockefellers, Ford Foundation, BP, etc).

Jerky

[wintler2]

I bring it up to highlight the fact that, more and more, the less mature, more infantile, angry, logically falacious and posturing rhetoric that I see on the topic is coming from the AGW side, and NOT the "denialist" side.

Easy to say, irrelevant even if proved. My experience on this board, as per my sig., is quite different.

Also, if you trace the money, there are an awful lot of pro AGW people who are funded by companies we would be well advised to be wary of (Rockefellers, Ford Foundation, BP, etc).
Jerky

Easy to say, irrelevant even if proved. Profits from rorting of pollution markets is enough reason to make many parasites adopt green camoflage, just as much philanthropy is front for tax dodging - are you against philanthropy?


Putting aside 'he started it' & ad hominems, have you tried looking at the recorded observations & physical evidence for AGW? What published/checkable data makes you doubt the 99.9% of climate scientists who support AGW?

[wintler2]

July was 6th Hottest on Earth Since Record Keeping Began
..and saw bushfires in Alaska, Siberia, US & UK, heatwaves across Asia, Europe & N.America.

[wintler2]

I would also like to reiterate that I believe that the planet IS in the middle of a global ecological disaster.

I agree, which is your fav. - persistant toxics, erosion, desertification, microplastics, irradiation, biodiversity loss, overpopulation, effluent pollution, ocean acidification..?

It just isn't the one we're being told to devote 100 percent of our attention to by the Powers That Be.

'TPTB' (now theres a thought-stop label) aren't telling anyone to devote 100% of attention to anything except tv/internet/work-to-buy-o-sphere bullshit. In case you were under different impression, nearly all 'green/eco/climate friendly' product branding & corp-gov programs to date are just the faintest powdering of rouge around the porcines anus. We have not yet begun to give a shit.