stefano » Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:46 am wrote: Searcher08 » Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:56 pm wrote:
So I did an hour of RI archaeology into banning by doing a search on 'has been banned' on Jeff's username. After an hour I had nearly losing the will to live
IIRC chump was the last one I got to.
Didn't Vigilant turn out to be a Jew-hater? After quite a while on the board, too. He was into Icke, if I'm not mistaken. I'm usually very sceptical of the theme that exposure to 'bad ideas' can turn you into some sort of foamy-mouthed lunatic, because it minimises personal agency and responsibility and is the favourite pretext of censors and control freaks everywhere, but I guess it does happen.edit
- Sorry Searcher after further archaeology I see you did mention him in this thread.
It was interesting going back into this as I HAD thought that was the case (that he was an anti-Semite) but I checked into Vigilant's banning and AFAIK it was for being a really nasty misogynist prick to c2w and Annie Aronburg, not being anti-Semitic. He also apparently trolled under sockpuppets and may have been 'eyeno'. I did a search for Icke on his username and only four anodyne refs out of several thousand posts.
One interesting trend seems to have been that there HAS been a definite concerted attempt to set up a disruptive Hasbara presence here, including thinly veiled threats by Percival.
Further, if hardball is what you all want it is what you will get. I have never been one to shy away from a bloody fight.
Ever hear of "megaphone?" Perhaps soon should I decide to make that move you will meet some of my real zionist friends and oh do they love a good debate with internet antisemitic goon squads.
Let the games resume!
My take was that a person in that Hasbara role (and NB I am specifically, unequivocally NOT including American Dream ) would actually use a model that would mimic Far Right infiltration - post pretty factual / non-controversial stuff for quite a few months, and then suddenly switch to full on disrupter / agent provocateur and post pretty much about nothing else than Israel and anti-Semitism.
This is specifically the pattern I have found with the user called 'Solace'.
Before July 2013, almost no posts on anti-Semitism / Israel Generally non-divisive, normal RI tone
After July 2013, almost exclusively (>95%) posts on anti-Semitism / Israel Large number of posts abusive / divisive
Well I guess I was too subtle. The OPPOSITE of pro-semite is antisemite you fucking antisemite. No wonder you were banned from two boards for it.
slad...apologizing for Jew hate since forever.
Angels and demons. My oh my.And look at who the demons are: Nazis and a certain class of bad Jews. And I don't suppose you have one clue why many Jews would find this anti-semitic as fuck except to think they were trying to silence your "concerned," enlightenment and brilliance.
"Spin," seems tame. Agenda is more like it and it's a smelly one. This guy's a slippery one but the reliance at least twice recently on the Neturei Karta bullshit is pretty much the dead giveaway. Good thing he's got some "Jewish friends, aka alibi Jews," for camouflage.
You can verify this for yourself by following their posts as follows: Search on username Solace; go through their posts from the start to about half-way; then from half-way to the present. It is like two different people.
Stefano, I agree with your assessment, but think that it is not just the Far Right that is the issue, but Hasbara as well. This remains unaddressed.
Slad, in answer for your question on board infiltration, I think there is clear evidence that there has been some, from three different sources:
According to Jeff, there MAY have been far right infiltration attempts in the boards more distant past. I do not have the evidence base he used to come to that assessment.
There have been some users who started posting Holocaust Denial stuff after a while, in the guise of 'This is interesting what do you think".
Previous to this, back at the start of 2010, c2w outed a concerted disruptive trolling / sockpuppetry campaign by at least two factions:
This thread covers it but it is a really unpleasant mindfuckhttp://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=26718&hilit=percival&start=30