2014 Malaysian Planes Lost: Pacific and Ukraine

[82_28]

Wouldn't an EMP weapon knock out a shit ton of shit in the process?

Not a small localized one, perhaps smuggled on to the plane.

Well, sure. Not arguing. But it would level the stupidity of this story about people calling the cellphones and whatnot. Everything would have been blacked out -- circuits fried. Sure the numbers would be routed to the central computer, but that it was reported that this shit is the fact that people are far too far gullible. Thus it now points to a new position of interest given the circumstances.

[elfismiles]

Craziness ...

Signals on Radar Puzzle Officials in Hunt for Malaysian Jet
By MICHAEL FORSYTHE and THOMAS FULLERMARCH 12, 2014

SEPANG, Malaysia — After four days of reticence and evasive answers, the Malaysian military acknowledged on Wednesday that it had recorded, but initially ignored, radar signals that could have prompted a mission to intercept and track a missing jetliner — data that vastly expands the area where the plane might have traveled.

Radar signals from the location where the missing aircraft, Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, was last contacted by ground controllers suggested that the plane may have turned away from its northeastward course toward Beijing, officials said. Military radar then detected an unidentified aircraft at several points, apparently headed west across the Malaysian peninsula and out into the Indian Ocean, the head of the country’s air force told reporters. The last detected location was hundreds of miles to the west of where search and rescue efforts were initially focused.
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A Vietnamese military helicopter on Monday flew over the Gulf of Thailand. Planes and copters from nine nations are scouring the waters near a Malaysia Airlines flight’s last reported location.

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The military took no immediate action on Saturday to investigate the unidentified blips, whose path appeared to take the aircraft near the heavily populated island of Penang, and only later realized the significance of the radar readings. The search area was then expanded to take in waters west of the peninsula as well as east — encompassing almost 27,000 square nautical miles, an area bigger than South Carolina — but officials did not give a full explanation for the move.
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A look at the search efforts for the Malaysia Airlines plane that vanished early Saturday morning.

Gen. Rodzali Daud, the air force chief, said the military was not certain that the radar had detected the jetliner heading west. He declined to offer another explanation for the coincidence of an unidentified blip suddenly appearing on military radar screens after Flight 370 stopped transmitting its identification signal to civilian ground controllers 40 minutes into its flight.

“Today we are still not sure that it is the same aircraft,” Hishammuddin Hussein, the country’s defense minister, told reporters. “That is why we are searching in two areas.”

Malaysia is sharing the radar data with officials from American agencies, including the Federal Aviation Administration and the National Transportation Safety Board. Spokesmen for those agencies declined to comment on Wednesday, referring inquiries to the Malaysian authorities.

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Detecting a Plane

Two kinds of radar are used to keep track of air traffic from the ground.

Primary radar

Sends out radio signals and listens for echoes that bounce back from objects in the sky.

Transponder

Secondary radar

Sends signals that request information from the plane’s transponder. The plane sends back information including its identification and altitude. The radar repeatedly sweeps the sky and interrogates the transponder. Other planes in flight can also receive the transponder signals.

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If experts determine that the radar signals probably did reflect the movements of Flight 370, the search for the plane is likely to be expanded to vast new areas of the Indian Ocean. The final blip came from about 200 miles northwest of Penang at 2:15 a.m. local time on Saturday, General Rodzali said, adding that the data showed the aircraft at an altitude of 29,500 feet. That is near the missing plane’s usual cruising altitude: When its pilots were last heard from around 1:30 a.m., it was cruising at 35,000 feet. The jet, a Boeing 777, was fueled for a six-hour flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing, a journey of more than 2,500 miles.

“I have no feeling for what happened to this plane,” said David Learmount, operations and safety editor at Flightglobal, a Britain-based aviation news and data service. “The number of possibilities is so massive that it’s completely pointless.”

The existence of the radar data suggests that the Malaysian authorities may have missed a chance to send military jets to intercept, identify and track the plane as it passed over the country. General Rodzali said interceptors were not scrambled because the unidentified plane appeared to be a civilian aircraft and was not seen as hostile.
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Military radar detection Military radar detected blips 200 miles northwest of Penang that might have been from the missing aircraft. The last signal came at 2:15 a.m. Saturday, at 29,500 feet.

Known path The plane stopped communicating with controllers at around 1:30 a.m. Saturday, at 35,000 feet.

By SERGIO PEÇANHA and DEREK WATKINS
Sources: Malaysia’s Department of Civil Aviation (search areas); flightradar24.com (flight path); Malaysia Airlines; GEBCO (water depth)

Note: Altitudes on the diagram are exaggerated 10 times for clarity.

For days, official statements had put the last known contact with Flight 370 almost an hour earlier, at about 1:30 a.m. The aircraft’s transponders, which automatically transmit identifying information and some other data about the plane, including altitude, apparently ceased to function at 1:21 a.m.; after that, radar screens would show the plane only as an unidentified blip. Certain weather conditions, and even flocks of birds, can occasionally cause radar blips that may be mistaken for aircraft.

An American aviation official noted that the statement from Malaysian officials on Wednesday indicated that they were still searching for the plane on both sides of the peninsula. If the plane did turn west as the radar blips suggest, the official said, there would be no reason to keep searching on the eastern side.

Even so, two United States destroyers, the Kidd and the Pinckney, continued to patrol the eastern waters, along with ships from China, Malaysia, Vietnam and other countries. In all, 42 ships and 39 aircraft from at least 12 countries are taking part in the search operations, according to Mr. Hishammuddin, who is also Malaysia’s acting transportation minister.



Expanded search area

Malaysian authorities announced Monday that they were expanding the search zone, including areas in the Strait of Malacca.


Last radar signal

On Wednesday, a military official said the last radar signal, which may have been from the missing plane, was 200 miles northwest of Penang at 2:15 a.m.


Pulau Perak island

A Malaysian military official was quoted in a local newspaper on Tuesday saying the military had received signals from the plane near this island at 2:40 a.m. Saturday.


Subang airport

Malaysia Airlines said authorities were “looking at a possibility” that the plane was headed to Subang, an airport that handles mainly domestic flights.

“The Gulf of Thailand is pretty much saturated at this point,” said Cmdr. William Marks, the spokesman for the United States Seventh Fleet. “We’re now going over the same areas.”

A Chinese state science agency posted satellite photographs on its website on Wednesday that appeared to show three large objects floating in the South China Sea off Vietnam, not far from the aircraft’s planned flight path; the agency said the images were taken on Sunday. It was not clear whether they had any significance for the search. In recent days, a number of reports have emerged of possible debris from the plane in the Gulf of Thailand or the South China Sea, but on closer inspection, the objects — including an oil slick, a wooden raft and the lid of a large crate — have been found to be unrelated.

An American military official discounted the Chinese images, saying that United States satellites would have seen the object and did not. It was unlikely, the official added, that a large piece of the aircraft would be floating, and in any case, its location was in a high-traffic area near the many ships and aircraft searching for the missing jetliner.

“I cannot possibly believe that image is a valid image,”’ the official said.

The Malaysian government has come under fire for releasing incomplete and sometimes inaccurate or contradictory information about the aircraft and the progress of the search. When news of the military radar traces surfaced on Tuesday in a Malaysian newspaper article quoting General Rodzali, other senior officials denied the report.

Though Malaysia generally has good relations with China, the home country of most of the passengers on the missing plane, the confusion and crossed signals are drawing increasing criticism from there. The Global Times, a nationalist-leaning Chinese newspaper controlled by the Communist Party, published a commentary on Wednesday taking Malaysia to task for failing to release information in a timely and reliable manner. Dozens of Chinese reporters are in Kuala Lumpur, the Malaysian capital, looking for answers, as are many relatives of passengers.

“Malaysia’s grave inconsistencies on this vital information cannot but be a devastating blow to the outside world’s confidence in its core role in search and rescue,” The Global Times said.



Reporting was contributed by Keith Bradsher and Chris Buckley from Hong Kong, Patrick Zuo from Beijing, and Eric Schmitt and Matthew L. Wald from Washington.


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[elfismiles]

Was missing flight MH370 jet brought down by a shoe bomber? British terrorist convicted of plotting similar attack says he gave explosive to Malaysian terror cell which included a pilot
Saajid Badat tells court of plot for Malaysian pilot to blast his way into a plane's cockpit
He has testified about the plan before, but it now has a new resonance
Badat told about the plot at trial of Osama bin Laden's son-in-law yesterday
By Daily Mail Reporter
PUBLISHED: 08:41 EST, 12 March 2014 | UPDATED: 11:31 EST, 12 March 2014
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... omber.html

[elfismiles]

Was missing jet HIJACKED? US officials fear MH370 was captured and flown to mystery location after debris seen at sea is ruled out and new data reveals it was airborne FOUR HOURS after vanishing
US investigators examining whether flight was taken to another location
Officials suspect data from engines suggests plane flew total of five hours
Counter-terrorism officials concerned pilot or someone else turned off transponders
Four more hours of flight time would allow the plane to fly 2,200 nautical miles
That would put Pakistan and the Arabian Sea within reach
Malaysia Airlines previously said the Rolls-Royce Trent engines stopped transmitting monitoring signals when contact with the plane was lost
On Wednesday the Chinese government satellite imagery was released which showed the 'suspected crash site' of Malaysian Airlines Flight 370
Blurry images appeared to show three large pieces of debris - the largest of which is 78-feet by 72-feet
Vietnamese and Malaysian aviation chiefs ruled this out and said no plane debris was found at spot shown by China's satellite images
By James Nye and Richard Shears In Kuala Lumpur
PUBLISHED: 16:19 EST, 12 March 2014 | UPDATED: 08:46 EST, 13 March 2014
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... shing.html

What Happened to Flight 370? An Analysis of What Is Known
Posted on March 13, 2014 by Charles Hugh Smith

UPDATE 3/13/14: As expected (see my analysis of ocean currents and drift-time below), the purported debris was a false lead. The revelation that the automated ACARS was still sending data on the Rolls Royce engines is not surprising given what else is known, nor is the Malaysian claim that the data is false. Engine data indicates Malaysian plane flew four hours after disappearing

The story gets curiouser and curiouser–but so far every piece of new data conforms to my basic analysis of the known facts.

Like many other people, I am following the story of what happened to Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 with keen interest. Much of what we’ve been told doesn’t add up, deepening the mystery.

It seems to me that we can already draw a number of conclusions from the known data by pursuing a logic-based analysis of what is possible and what can be excluded as illogical.

Let’s start with what is known:

1. The Malaysian authorities have been evasive to the point of misdirection, in other words, they’ve hidden the facts to serve an undisclosed agenda.

What is the agenda driving their evasion? What is known is that Malaysian security is obviously lax. This fact has caused Malaysian authorities to lose face, i.e. be humiliated on the global stage. Malaysia is an Asian nation, and maintaining face in Asia is of critical importance. We can conclude that one reason the Malaysian authorities are dissembling is to hide their gross incompetence.

That the Malaysian military was unable to effectively monitor the aircraft or coordinate with civilian air traffic control (ATC) also suggests incompetence at the most sensitive levels. Revealing this would also cause a loss of face.

Summary: Malaysian authorities have not been truthful or timely in their reporting. The logical conclusion is that they’re hiding data to protect national pride and the true state of their abysmal security.

2. Additional information is available but is not being shared with the public. To take one example, the Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System (ACARS) on Flight 370 was functioning and automatically sent data on four critical systems, including the engines. This data has not been released by Malaysian Airlines.

It also appears that the pilot of another 777 airliner heading to Japan contacted the pilot in Flight 370 and reported the transmission was garbled.

Even with the transponder off, the aircraft would appear on primary (military) radar. The Malaysian military tracked Flight 370 but is dissembling. Clearly the authorities are not revealing the full extent of what is known.

3. Satellite imagery did not detect a high-altitude explosion. This excludes all scenarios in which the aircraft crashes into another plane, explodes in mid-air, etc.

4. Flight 370 changed course and altitude, and then maintained the new bearing for hundreds of miles and an additional hour of flight after losing contact with ATC (air traffic control). This limits scenarios in which decompression causes everyone on board to lose consciousness or a catastrophic electrical fire incapacitating the flight deck to an emergency that enabled the pilots to set a new course before losing consciousness or control of the aircraft.



5. The Malaysian military reported Flight 370′s altitude as 29,500 feet. This conflicts with eyewitness accounts from fishermen reporting a large aircraft at a much lower altitude around 1,000 meters (3,000 feet). If the radar altitude is correct, this suggests the aircraft was not experiencing decompression, as the pilots would descend as an emergency response to decompression. If the fishermen’s report is accurate, then decompression would not be an issue.

6. Mobile phone data suggests the passengers’ phones were still functioning after the aircraft lost contact with air traffic control (ATC) and the transponder was turned off/failed.

7. Releasing data from the U.S. intelligence space-based network would reveal U.S. capabilities. The Strait of Malacca is a key shipping lanes chokepoint, and is thus of strategic interest to the U.S. and other nations with space-based assets. U.S. authorities have already revealed that U.S. coverage of the area is “thorough.”

This confirms that U.S. communications monitoring and space-based assets cover the seas around the Strait of Malacca. Given what is known about these monitoring and space-based assets, it is likely that the U.S. intelligence agencies have additional data but are not revealing them, as this would provide direct evidence of U.S. capabilities.

We can surmise that the U.S. maintains thermal imaging capabilities that can detect more than large explosions. We can also surmise that the communications monitoring networks picked up any signals from the aircraft or related to the aircraft.

That the head of the C.I.A. publicly professed ignorance is interesting. What course of action would one pursue if one wanted to keep U.S. capabilities secret? Publicly proclaim ignorance.

This is not to suggest that the U.S. “knows where flight 370 is;” it is simply to note that this is not “open ocean” comparable to the mid-Atlantic where Air France Flight 447 went down five years ago. This is a strategic chokepoint of great interest to the U.S., and therefore it is likely that U.S. networks and space-based assets collected data that would either exclude certain possibilities or make other possibilities more likely.

What can we logically conclude from the most reliable and trustworthy data available?

1. The pilots were conscious when they turned off the transponder (or the transponder failed) around 1:30 a.m. and when they changed course soon after.The aircraft was under the control of the pilots long enough for them to set a new course.

2. The aircraft flew an additional hour or more on the new westward course at cruising altitude.

3. No distress signal was sent during this 1+ hour flight after whatever event caused the the pilots to change course.

If we put these together, we can establish a number of logical parameters around each plausible scenario, where plausible scenario means a situation based on previous losses of commercial aircraft.

1. Pilot suicide. If the pilot had decided to commit suicide by crashing the plane, why not ditch the aircraft in the South China Sea? Why change course and fly for another hour?

Alternatively, the Malaysian military’s reports are completely false and they were tracking an unknown aircraft near Pulau Perak at 2:15 a.m. (previously reported as 2:40 a.m.)

How many unidentified large aircraft are flying around Pulau Perak at 2:15 a.m. on a typical night? The possibility that the radar signal was not Flight 370 seems remote.

2. Mechanical failure that caused decompression or an electrical fire that incapacitated the flight deck. If such an emergency occurred, it enabled the pilots to change course and altitude.

Assuming a decompression event, we could expect the pilots to descend rapidly. If Flight 370 was indeed at 29,500 feet at 2:15 a.m., that suggests the aircraft was still capable of flight at cruising altitude. So either the pilots were still flying the aircraft or the decompression event enabled them to change course and set the autopilot before losing consciousness.

If the aircraft was being flown by autopilot, it could have flown for many more hours, given its fuel load, which raises the question: if the pilots were unconscious at 2:15 a.m., why did the aircraft suddenly crash 10 minutes later? Or did the aircraft simply leave the airspace covered by the Malaysian military?

If an emergency had crippled the aircraft’s electrical system, it’s unlikely the plane could have continued flying at cruising altitude for an additional hour. If a catastrophic electrical fire crippled the flight deck, how could the plane continue flying at cruising altitude for another hour, given that the battery backup would last at best 30 minutes?

In other words, the additional hour of flight time on a new course does not logically align with an emergency decompression or fire that led to the flight deck and pilots being incapacitated. A decompression event would have led to either A. a rapid controlled descent or B. the pilots unconscious/unable to take control and the autopilot flying the aircraft on the new course for many hours.

Alternatively, a catastrophic electrical fire would have either brought the aircraft down within minutes of the event or at best provided 30 minutes on emergency battery power. Neither jibes with an additional hour of flight at cruising altitude.

This leads to the conclusion that the aircraft was still being flown by the pilots, i.e. conscious decisions were being made by either the pilots or someone who had seized control of the flight deck.

If a mechanical emergency had crippled the aircraft, it seems unlikely that the pilots could change course and altitude but not be able to send a distress signal. If the pilots had lost consciousness but the rest of the plane’s systems were nominal, the autopilot would have continued flying the aircraft until the fuel ran out, many hours beyond 2:15 a.m.

That suggests there was conscious control of the aircraft and that those in charge made a decision sometime after 2:15 a.m. that led to the loss of the aircraft. This scenario strongly suggests human action or error as the operative emergency rather than mechanical failure.

Either that, or some key data that has been released as fact is actually false.

Late breaking news: if the satellite images released by China (taken one day after Flight 370 went missing) are in fact photos of wreckage, then the Malaysian military was obviously not tracking Flight 370 to the west an hour later.

The blurry photo does not reveal much, but several features are noteworthy:

1. The three pieces are very large, which means they must be intact sections of the wings or fuselage. It is unlikely these would still be floating hours after a crash. We might also wonder, what sort of impact would create three large pieces rather than a debris field?

2. The three pieces are close together. Unless the aircraft landed intact in the water and sank in one piece, there would likely be a field of much smaller floating debris.

3. What else could this be? The large size of the pieces is certainly consistent with the scale of a 777.

4. Why did China withhold the imagery for three days? Did their own search ships reach the coordinates identified by the satellite?

5. The ocean currents and the location of the presumed debris do not compute.Ocean currents in the area are 2 kilometers/hour. Presumed debris is 141 miles from last known position This doesn’t compute: the satellite image was taken 11 am Sunday 33 hours after MH370 presumably crashed; debris would only drift 33 hr X 2 KM=66 KM or about 40 miles from the last known position of HM370. Debris was 140 miles to the east–100 miles beyond what’s possible in terms of debris drifting with currents from the presumed crash site.

In summary, these images open additional questions. There is no substitute for actually finding the aircraft or debris.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/03/ ... known.html

[Lord Balto]

I would like to coin the term "pseudo-information" to describe what we have been getting on this affair from the relevant authorities.

[slimmouse]

I would like to coin the term "pseudo-information" to describe what we have been getting on this affair from the relevant authorities.

After 52 years of listening to the "relevant authorities", theres no arguing with that from me.

To the point in fact of considering the aforesaid "authorities" completely irrelevant when it comes to offering any kind of hard truth about nearly anything.

Particularly the important stuff.

[Lord Balto]

I would like to coin the term "pseudo-information" to describe what we have been getting on this affair from the relevant authorities.

After 52 years of listening to the "relevant authorities", theres no arguing with that from me.

To the point in fact of considering the aforesaid "authorities" completely irrelevant when it comes to offering any kind of hard truth about nearly anything.

Particularly the important stuff.

The difference here is that these characters usually present a more or less consistent scenario that stands up to scrutiny as long as one does not look too closely or do a bit of cerebrating about the incident at hand. In this case, there seems to be massive confusion as to what the official explanation should even be. Various suggestions are presented while ignoring quite logical possibilities like the following:

1) The plane lost contact but kept on flying until it reached Vietnam, where it landed/crashed. Can anyone tell me, is southern Vietnam so densely populated that a plane crashing or landing would immediately be noticed? As far as I can tell, there is zero searching being carried out on the Vietnamese mainland. Why not? What amazes me is that the search has been extended to Indian waters, without even the slightest concern with possible land-based locations.

2) The plane was shot down and, for whatever reason, the event is being covered up by the Malaysian authorities, suggesting that they were somehow involved. I recall an early statement by a Malaysian official to the effect that there were things he could talk about and things he could not, á la Donald Rumsfeld with his known unknowns, etc. Or, perhaps, they could be afraid of the consequences if they admitted who really did it. One wonders what the Vietnamese would do if a plane approached their territory without the proper transponder codes. This could even tie in with the supposed tracking of an object traveling in the opposite direction.

[InfraGard]

[slimmouse]

I would like to coin the term "pseudo-information" to describe what we have been getting on this affair from the relevant authorities.

After 52 years of listening to the "relevant authorities", theres no arguing with that from me.

To the point in fact of considering the aforesaid "authorities" completely irrelevant when it comes to offering any kind of hard truth about nearly anything.

Particularly the important stuff.

The difference here is that these characters usually present a more or less consistent scenario that stands up to scrutiny as long as one does not look too closely or do a bit of cerebrating about the incident at hand. In this case, there seems to be massive confusion as to what the official explanation should even be. Various suggestions are presented while ignoring quite logical possibilities like the following:

1) The plane lost contact but kept on flying until it reached Vietnam, where it landed/crashed. Can anyone tell me, is southern Vietnam so densely populated that a plane crashing or landing would immediately be noticed? As far as I can tell, there is zero searching being carried out on the Vietnamese mainland. Why not? What amazes me is that the search has been extended to Indian waters, without even the slightest concern with possible land-based locations.

2) The plane was shot down and, for whatever reason, the event is being covered up by the Malaysian authorities, suggesting that they were somehow involved. I recall an early statement by a Malaysian official to the effect that there were things he could talk about and things he could not, á la Donald Rumsfeld with his known unknowns, etc. Or, perhaps, they could be afraid of the consequences if they admitted who really did it. One wonders what the Vietnamese would do if a plane approached their territory without the proper transponder codes.

To be honest II can't currently claim to make any specific references to the "relevant authorities" in this particlar case, though the whole thing is plainly wierd already.

Edited to add that it's already reasonably evident that some form of "political science" is sonehow involved here.

[Lord Balto]

Again, why is everyone asuming that just because the transponder stopped working, the plane didn't travel on to the mainland of Southeast Asia where it was headed? If I had limited resources and had to find a lost plane, I would concentrate on the projected path of the plane, which would have taken it over Vietnam and Cambodia. As we all remember (at least the eldest among us), the American military had to napalm huge swaths of Vietnam even to see what was happening on the ground.

[slimmouse]

Again, why is everyone asuming that just because the transponder stopped working, the plane didn't travel on to the mainland of Southeast Asia where it was headed? If I had limited resources and had to find a lost plane, I would concentrate on the projected path of the plane, which would have taken it over Vietnam and Cambodia. As we all remember (at least the eldest among us), the American military had to napalm huge swaths of Vietnam even to see what was happening on the ground.

Perhaps the all-pervasive security state is a actually an illusion.

Thats an interesting thought.

I mean, when a state of the art boeing aircraft goes down in the "mega digital sat nav age", the only locational point of reference is a failed transponder?

[Lord Balto]

Again, why is everyone assuming that just because the transponder stopped working, the plane didn't travel on to the mainland of Southeast Asia where it was headed? If I had limited resources and had to find a lost plane, I would concentrate on the projected path of the plane, which would have taken it over Vietnam and Cambodia. As we all remember (at least the eldest among us), the American military had to napalm huge swaths of Vietnam even to see what was happening on the ground.

Perhaps the all-pervasive security state is actually an illusion.

Thats an interesting thought.

I mean, when a state of the art boeing aircraft goes down in the "mega digital sat nav age", the only locational point of reference is a failed transponder?

At least in the jungles of Southeast Asia! Do you realize that whole new species of mammals have been found there in recent years? I'm not talking some unknown insect or micro lemur. I'm talking full sized mammals. I suspect you could hide an entire fleet of 777s in that jungle.

I also have to wonder why they wouldn't have a backup transponder; one the pilot couldn't turn off. I mean, seriously? The pilot can turn off the transponder? And they don't have some kind of locating beacon that goes off when the plane goes down?

[8bitagent]

Terrorism angle doesn't make sense. Organic or black ops, terrorism these days would be claimed and reports of "chatter"

"EMP weapon", missile, etc would still result in floating debris of a plane in the water

If the plane is never found I could imagine it being either the remote possibility it was landed, though why no ransom?
However to me the most intriguing theory is an obscure but undiscovered/not so understood natural phenomenon
anomaly similar to the Bermuda Triangle.

[mentalgongfu2]

FWIW.

http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2014/03/cover-story.html

Cover Story

That Malaysian Triple 7 is an interesting story, not in a detonated jet, but in the counter psy ops being run off of it. Drudge featured an early story of the tin foil hats in all the conspiracy theories being published. For that JFK story to be run, there was an early operation to cloud the issue to such an extent that the real story was being covered up.

That oil slick and marker found by Vietnam upon Inquiry was put there by Vietnam, as the original cover story in that jet was supposed to have went down in pilot error.
This blog stands by the original inquiry of this was about blaming a Muslim group run out of 1600 Penn Avenue for the European purpose of getting Airbus contracts instead of Malaysia buying replacement Boeings. It was about a warning to China in terrorism and it was about removing a competitor Isalmic militant group operating out of Malaysia.

That though has now changed exactly like the Boston Bombing, with this new evidence of the airliner having diverted.

What inquiry pointed to early was a directional charge which cut this Triple 7's systems and it dropped like a rock. That was the reason the emergency transponders were not functioning in they had been destoryed. This was run out of Singapore for German and Italian interests in the Airbus contract.

For all of this to have changed points to someone is extremely upset in having warned the principles if what has been noted is the reality, that there will be hell to pay.

China is the one doing the threatening and they are threatening the Germans and Italians. You will notice the non help again by the Obama regime in they knew of this dirty operation and know exactly were that airliner is parked.

There is an immense surge in the matrix over this, in the former information is being attempted to be overridden by the "new" data. It is fascinating to observe the matrix in operation, as the wave is for this new propaganda, but when questioned on such information "was the radar data created", the inquiry resounds quickly in the affirmative.
That is more interesting to me in watching this operation, as a surge is attempting to cover up the original wave which is resonating, and when information is inquired of on what this operation entailed, it snaps as those behind this have not the ability to cover up all the leads.

I do not comprehend how there were survivors of this downing, but some did survive and were murdered by the clean up team as survivors would have mentioned the blast they heard.

What is forming is an alternative in something which inquiry is pointing to in another Triple 7 is being rigged, having reported it landed and these Islamists ill be blamed for having executed all on board. There is an 80% probability this story will be generated as it has been invested in already.

The Chicoms are furious over this. The Obama regime is furious in being linked to another botched operation.

I do not predict where this is going, except there is a hint this is moving for another terror operation involving this replacement craft, which was fed into the public information originally. I only stand by the original inquiry and have learned to stay with original information as when the matrix gets raped with new spikes, there are larger powers at work covering things up.

Inquiry states the NSA has live footage of this airliner crashing. That is a bit Edward Snowden too much information in what US satellite abilities are.
In a quid pro quo the NSA has hinted to European intelligence that it might be better to stop listening to Edward Snowden or perhaps the world might be listening to intelligence of a direct feed of this Triple 7 going in for an Airbus contract.

nuff said

agtG

[Lord Balto]

Terrorism angle doesn't make sense. Organic or black ops, terrorism these days would be claimed and reports of "chatter"

"EMP weapon", missile, etc would still result in floating debris of a plane in the water

If the plane is never found I could imagine it being either the remote possibility it was landed, though why no ransom?
However to me the most intriguing theory is an obscure but undiscovered/not so understood natural phenomenon
anomaly similar to the Bermuda Triangle.

Ivan T Sanderson presented a chart of Bermuda-Triangle-like spots around the world, but the closest two are southeast of Japan and west of Australia.