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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane down over Vietnam

Postby Lord Balto » Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:05 am

The shadowing theory:

How does this solve the mystery??? We know MH370 didn’t fly to Spain! Once MH370 had cleared the volatile airspaces and was safe from being detected by military radar sites in India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan it would have been free to break off from the shadow of SIA68 and could have then flown a path to it’s final landing site. There are several locations along the flight path of SIA68 where it could have easily broken contact and flown and landed in Xingjian province, Kyrgyzstan, or Turkmenistan. Each of these final locations would match up almost perfectly with the 7.5 hours of total flight time and trailing SIA68. In addition, these locations are all possibilities that are on the “ARC” and fit with the data provided by Inmarsat from the SATCOM’s last known ping at 01:11UTC.


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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane down over Vietnam

Postby elfismiles » Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:14 am

Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed says...
"Hmmm I did wonder if there was something fishy about this..."

The Malaysia Airlines Pilot’s Politics
Zaharie Ahmad Shah supported Anwar Ibrahim. That’s common sense, not zealotry.
By William J. Dobson

There is an axiom in Malaysian politics: Eventually everything comes back to Anwar Ibrahim. So, the longer that the fumbling and inept investigation into the missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 has gone on, the more certain it became that it would somehow boomerang to the leader of the country’s democratic opposition.

On Saturday, Prime Minister Najib Razak went before the cameras to declare that officials believe the plane was deliberately diverted and flown in an unknown direction somewhere along a wide arc from Kazakhstan to deep into the Indian Ocean. Now that the search for the Boeing 777 has turned into a criminal investigation, the authorities are taking a close look at the flight’s chief pilot, Zaharie Ahmad Shah, and its first officer, Fariq Abdul Hamid.

They quickly learned—as no doubt all of Shah’s friends knew—that the pilot was a strong supporter of Anwar Ibrahim’s People’s Justice Party. Indeed, Shah is believed to have attended Anwar’s court hearing on March 7 that overturned his 2012 acquittal on sodomy charges, a politically motivated case that the Malaysian government typically dusts off around election time. On Sunday, the U.K. and Malaysian press treated the revelation with the shock you might reserve for damning evidence. Shah was described—by an unnamed source—as a “fanatical supporter of the country’s opposition leader.” Elsewhere, he is described (apparently by unnamed police sources) as “fervent” and “strident” in his political convictions. More than a week after the Boeing 777 disappeared, we lack a motive, a clear suspect, or even a crime scene, but we have our “Anwar Ibrahim connection.” That is Malaysian politics.

A fanatical supporter of Anwar Ibrahim does sound scary—as long as you know nothing about him.

Anwar is the 66-year old opposition leader who is the principal thorn in the side of the United Malays National Organization (UMNO) that has ruled Malaysia for 56 years. Anwar heads a coalition of parties, which includes his own multiethnic party, that has made the greatest inroads against the country’s corrupt masters. In 2008, the opposition won more than a third of the seats in parliament—the first time that UMNO lost its supermajority that allowed it to change the constitution at the prime minister’s whim. Anwar, who had been a political prisoner for six years, most of it in solitary confinement, won his seat in a landslide, and the opposition won five of the country’s 13 state governments. Last year, his opposition party claimed to have won the election against the ruling party, a contest that many say was marred by widespread fraud. Anwar supported the massive protests that followed the ruling party’s supposed victory, but he never called for a toppling of the government.

Anwar is trying to defeat Malaysia’s authoritarian regime through elections—not terrorism, let alone revolution. So, to be clear, what we know is that the pilot of MH370 is a fanatical supporter of a nonviolent man who supports a pluralistic and democratic Malaysia.

Of course, we don’t know Shah’s precise state of mind, and it is true that hours before the flight, his political hero had just been dealt bad news with the court’s decision to overturn his previous acquittal. But this is not news that Anwar or his close supporters would have found shocking. On several occasions I have interviewed Anwar, most recently at his home in 2011, he was always forced to operate under the threat of these politically trumped-up charges that he viewed as nothing more than a weak effort to discredit him. Indeed, few Malaysians view the government’s accusations as anything other than evidence of crooked politics, and Anwar has only become more popular and UMNO’s rule more brittle.

But, if we are engaging in wild theories—and why not, this is Malaysian politics—then why would unnamed police sources be playing up the pilot’s political beliefs a week after we are no closer to knowing the truth about MH370? Because the Malaysian authorities’ performance during this investigation is a pretty reasonable approximation of what passes for governance in a corrupt, nepotistic regime that long ago lost any purpose besides accumulating wealth and extending its own power. Malaysia has fallen behind its Southeast Asian competitors economically in large part because of its stunted political culture. Acting transportation minister Hishammuddin Hussein’s defensive press conferences and updates, which range from opaque to contradictory, are what you’d expect from government ministers who are seldom expected to answer questions.

So, is it possible that Shah hijacked the Malaysia Airlines flight in some twisted form of protest against the government? Of course—even if it seems a less likely explanation than the half dozen other theories that are being floated. Because, whatever happened on board Flight 370, Shah’s support of Anwar Ibrahim is the one piece of evidence that suggests he had a firm grip on reality, not that he was trying to escape it.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane down over Vietnam

Postby Lord Balto » Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:42 am

Good thread on SIA68 shadowing and Freescale at ATS:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1002914/pg1
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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane down over Vietnam

Postby chump » Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:55 am

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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane down over Vietnam

Postby Lord Balto » Mon Mar 17, 2014 2:30 pm

This from Reddit, from before the Keith Ledgerwood post at http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/:

Check this out!

Following up on this theory(http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/2 ... ht/cg2l4ne), I went back to FlightRadar24 to see if there were any flights near when the last contact with MH370 was at 0215 and heading NW.

What I found is there was a Singapore Airlines Flight (SQ68) which had departed SIN and was bound for BCN. I got the flight track data from FlightAware and plotted it on Google Earth.

Here's what I found:

MH370 & SQ68 Link Up

It looks like if MH370 turned after lost contact at 0130 and followed the track back over Malaysia and along the way points previously discussed, it would be in the position shown at 0215, which is 200NM NW of Penang.

This position is only about 30NM behind the 0215 position of SQ68 which is also a 777.

If MH370 followed SQ68 along its path NW over India (as I had speculated it did previously), after 5 hours, SQ68 is indeed over Pakistan.

Across Bay of Bengal

Across India to Pakistan

Five hours from last known 0215 position

So, by closely following SQ68 at a similar altitude and speed, it's likely that any Indian radar operator would not notice or question two closely placed primary radar returns as long as he had the expected squawk from SQ68.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane down over Vietnam

Postby Lord Balto » Mon Mar 17, 2014 2:48 pm

In case anyone is interested, this is Keith Ledgerwood, one of the authors of the SIA68 (SQ68) Shadow Theory. He is a very real person and not some acro-identity:

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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane down over Vietnam

Postby elfismiles » Mon Mar 17, 2014 4:38 pm

Looks like he's getting a lot of attention for this theory...

https://www.google.com/search?q=Keith+Ledgerwood

And I actually like that drowning in cloud data vid ...

Lord Balto » 17 Mar 2014 18:48 wrote:In case anyone is interested, this is Keith Ledgerwood, one of the authors of the SIA68 (SQ68) Shadow Theory. He is a very real person and not some acro-identity:
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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane down over Vietnam

Postby JackRiddler » Mon Mar 17, 2014 4:45 pm

Oooh, Nafeez is getting into stuff like Slate now (though of course: fuck'em) as well as being The Guardian's hit writer. I'm so happy for him.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane down over Vietnam

Postby elfismiles » Mon Mar 17, 2014 4:52 pm

20 Passengers From Missing Malaysia Flight Were DOD Employees Involved In Electronic Warfare & Weapons That Can “Cloak” Or Make Planes Invisible.
http://www.worthytoshare.net/20-passeng ... -invisible
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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane down over Vietnam

Postby Nordic » Mon Mar 17, 2014 5:12 pm

elfismiles » Mon Mar 17, 2014 3:52 pm wrote:20 Passengers From Missing Malaysia Flight Were DOD Employees Involved In Electronic Warfare & Weapons That Can “Cloak” Or Make Planes Invisible.
http://www.worthytoshare.net/20-passeng ... -invisible



Intriguing, but my sister worked for Freescale there in Austin, for years, and was often flying to and from various places in Asia to deal with all the factories that they had there. I know she wasn't involved in any black-ops stuff, just the day to day management and quality control of all the factories and production lines. They primarily make computer chips. It seems most likely that those Freescale employees on the plane were just run of the mill employees like her, but ... you never know.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane down over Vietnam

Postby JackRiddler » Mon Mar 17, 2014 5:34 pm

Further clue: Does everyone here know what Paper Street means?
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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane down over Vietnam

Postby semper occultus » Mon Mar 17, 2014 5:48 pm

Nordic » 17 Mar 2014 21:12 wrote:They primarily make computer chips. It seems most likely that those Freescale employees on the plane were just run of the mill employees like her, but ... you never know.


...not according to Lucky's post they weren't...

lucky » 15 Mar 2014 14:21 wrote:http://i.imgur.com/W8cCvpJ.jpg

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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane down over Vietnam

Postby Pushkarev » Mon Mar 17, 2014 6:33 pm

As a side note, in this thread:

viewtopic.php?f=44&t=37889

from some book on counterintelligence you have the top security priority with a defence/intelligence system:

Secret Priority One: "... strategic command and control systems, location, and characteristics of strategic weapons; the information processing circuits that such weapons depend on; and specific plans for the use of these weapons and for the defense of leaders and retaliatory forces."


It would seem to me that the radars of various countries are an example of defensive strategic-level weapons (they aren't weapons per se, but they are still defensive technology that are a major part of a country's defence to defend against strategic weapons).

What I'm getting at is this: if there are other country's saying that the they didn't pick up the flight, I'd be pretty suspect of whether they did or not. Admitting that the flights got through their various radars would be giving away information about their defensive capabilities.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane down over Vietnam

Postby MacCruiskeen » Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:07 pm

^^The head of the German Commercial Pilots' Union was interviewed yesterday, and he said it was virtually certain that the plane had been tracked all the way to [wherever] by military radar. How could it not be?
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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane down over Vietnam

Postby chump » Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:21 pm

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showth ... p?t=238110

Bringing this over:

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taking control of all the people on that plane would take a large number of people.. not just some cockpit takeover. They would have to somehow subdue all the passengers and take all their electronic devices. just my thoughts here
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There was a discussion earlier, about a potential way to instantly subdue ALL of the passengers. When the plane elevated to 45000 feet, the passengers would need their air masks. Those masks could have been tampered with, which would potentially disable and then kill all of the passengers.
This is REALLY chilling and a bit creepy... but here is the explanation for this.

The pilot (or whoever is flying the plane) has control over the oxygen in the cabin.
They can turn it off... basically causing a decompression. They could do it before anyone had time to react.

They could have flown up to 45,000 feet... turned off the oxygen and killed everyone within minutes.
Especially if they flew a bit erratically and made it difficult to put on masks. They'd lose consciousness fast.

The masks that drop down are only meant to allow time to descend (10-15 minutes.)
They could have used the cock pit oxygen (90 minutes total in the cock pit) while they did this.
Then dropped back down, turned the oxygenation back on and not had anyone to fight them.

The cabin pressure is generally done automatically but there is an option to do it manually.
All a pilot has to do is not turn that on, or turn it off and put their own oxygen mask on... and everyone else will die.

(Also flying to 45,000 feet may have caused the engines to stop.
They'd have to dive to 25,000 or below to start them again.
That's another possible explanation for the plane dropping that low that fast.)

In the Helios Flight 522 this is essentially what happened except it wasn't intentional so the pilots died too.

The cabin pressure was set to manual from maintenance the day before and the pilots did not realize it.
When they started climbing people couldn't breathe and the oxygen masks dropped.
The pilots did not know the oxygen masks had dropped and kept climbing.
Then they misunderstood all the alarms that were going off... and lost consciousness before they figured it out.
There was also 3 hours of extra oxygen (separate from passengers and cock pit) on the Helios Flight.

That flight flew on auto pilot until it ran out of gas and crashed.
(There is a documentary on youtube about it if anyone wants to watch it.)
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