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P.I.E. and Magpie docs

Postby Plutonia » Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:45 pm

I contacted Ian Pace [edited the bit about the list of members]

He's blogging a record of the PIE/Magpie docs - potentially VERY TRIGGERING!!!!!

Ian Pace says:
Earlier this year, I was able to do some research amongst the documents published by the Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE) as held under restricted access at the British Library. I will publish a blog post later about what they reveal about the PIE itself, but for now, following the media storm which has come about in the wake of the Daily Mail pieces beginning last week, about the connections between Harriet Harman, Jack Dromey and Patricia Hewitt during their time at the National Council for Civil Liberties (NCCL) in the 1970s and 1980s, I will print here that documentary evidence I have concerning the nature of the link between the two organisations, without comment.

1. NCCL and PIE – documentary evidence 1: https://ianpace.wordpress.com/2014/02/2 ... vidence-1/

2. PIE – documentary evidence 2 – from Magpie 1-8 https://ianpace.wordpress.com/2014/02/2 ... -material/

3. PIE – documentary evidence 3 – from Magpie 9-17 https://ianpace.wordpress.com/2014/02/2 ... -material/

4. PIE – documentary evidence 4 – UP, ‘Childhood Rights’, and Paedophilia https://ianpace.wordpress.com/2014/02/2 ... d-answers/

5. Clifford Hindley: Pederasty and Scholarship https://ianpace.wordpress.com/2014/03/0 ... holarship/

6. The PIE Manifesto https://ianpace.wordpress.com/2014/03/0 ... manifesto/

and there is more.

Contact Ian Pace: http://ianpace.com/?page_id=147

Edited at the request of Ian Pace
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Re: P.I.E. and Magpie docs

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:06 pm

Not giving out the list is Highly Questionable Stuff.

I have been working on my own for the past few months, I will get that typed up at some point.

I am interested in locating scans of Magpie for the sake of cataloging the authors.

(Even assuming they would mostly be pseudonymous contributions.)

Can anyone walk me through why not giving out the list constitutes a good or reasonable idea?
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Re: P.I.E. and Magpie docs

Postby Plutonia » Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:12 pm

Wombaticus Rex » Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:06 am wrote:Not giving out the list is Highly Questionable Stuff.

I have been working on my own for the past few months, I will get that typed up at some point.

Can anyone walk me through why not giving out the list constitutes a good or reasonable idea?

Yes, I was not happy about that. He didn't give any explanation for withholding the list. I'll email him back and see if I can get it out of him....
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Re: P.I.E. and Magpie docs

Postby Plutonia » Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:55 pm

[Edited at the request of Ian Pace]

Here's a partial list, crowd-sourced, from http://brynalynvictims.blogspot.ca/2013 ... dated.html

1. Thomas Victor O'Carroll (ex-chairman) (aka Carl Tom)
Founder (From Warwickshire but dual Irish/British national moved to Leam Street, Leamington Spa, Warwickshire in 1972. Moved to Shildon, County Durham after P.I.E. disbanded. born circa 1945) Also helped run P.I.E.s successor, The International paedophile Child Emancipation Group and a subsidiary, Gentlemen Without an Interesting Name. In 1977 was press officer for the Open University.

2. Charles Napier
(retired language teacher with links to Peter Righton)

3. Peter Righton
(deceased) (aka Paul Pelham)
Co founder one time treasurer (one of Britain's leading child protection specialists)

4. Steven Adrian Smith
(Chairman 1979-85)Steven Freeman (aka Steven Smith)
(Former Home Office security guard from Catford used name Steven Adrian born circa 1954)

5. Peter Bremner
(aka Roger Nash)
born circa 1940 several papers name a David Bremner but I think it's the same person.

6. David Wade

7. Sir Peter Hayman
(deceased) (aka Peter Henderson)
former UK envoy to Canada.
Paedophile Information Exchange - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

8. Michael Hanson
(first chairman)

9. Ian Campbell Dunn

10. David Joy

11. Dr Edward Brongersma

12. Keith Hose
(chairman 1975)
Paedophile Information Exchange - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

13. Warren Middleton
(aka John Parratt) - one of PIE’s first London members – Creater of the Understanding Paedophilia (UP) magazine that was eventually replaced by Magpie

14. Geoffrey Prime
Geoffrey Prime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

15. Barry Cutler
(from Porchester Mead, Beckenham born circa 1951)

16. Leo Adamson
(from Cricketers Court, Vauxhall born circa 1962)

17. John Morrison
(from Upper Richmond Road, Putney born circa 1967)

18. Michael Dagnall - –
Close friend and fellow abuser with Tom O’carroll

19. Tony Zalewski -
European rep -Named in Daily Express, 26th August 1983

20. Lee Edwards -
Named in Daily Express, 26th August 1983

21. Bernard Haunch
Former teacher

22. Jimmy Savile -
M Murrins information and letter to QEII,Patten etc

23. Richard Travell

24. Richard Morris Clive Bigham
Eldest son Viscount of Mersey

25. Stephen King
(aka Stephen Gosling)
lectured to various criminal justice conferences at which the Met Police, the CPS, the Probation Service

26. Michael John De Clere Studdert
(former Chaplain at Crowthorn School, Hampshire from Churt Road, Hindhead born circa 1939) Had largest know child porn collection ever found in UK in a secret vault on his 17 acre country estate. Heavily involved in charity.

27. Alan John Doggett
(1936-1978), conductor, composer and choir master. Leader of London Boys Choir - A letter in Magpie 10 reported and commented on the suspected suicide of Alan Doggett weeks before he was due to face child sex charges for having sex with a choir boy. Hit by train. Also has links to a certain Paul Raven aka Gary Glitter

28. CJ Bradbury Robinson –
American author who wrote several times for Magpie magazine – His pro-paedophile books include A crocodile of choirboys “Bare Knees, Boy Knees.” The latter offers an “unmatched” and “startling trip into the strange world of the Paederast,” says the description on Amazon, which has one used copy for sale for $500. Advisor to P.I.E

29. Richard James -
writer Magpie

30. Paul Green -
writer Magpie

31. David Blomfield

32. Dr Morris Fraser -
BBC Kaleidoscope
("The form of the child-adult encounter, so very often idealized by writers, is almost too painfully authentic here, too horribly real - yet depicted so beautifully. The Lost Boys has that rare virtue of blending truth with exquisite taste and perception.")

33. David Grove -
born 1904 - secretary of PIE

34. Michael Walker –
London – Member level of P.I.E – He did not agree on certain issues of P.I.E but condemned hostility against P.I.E

35. Den Nichols -
Author of paedophilia literature called “Towards a Better Perspective For Boy-Lovers”. Published in 1976. In its preface to ‘serious minded adult males who feel an existential attraction to young boys”. Copies were advertised and sold by P.I.E/Magpie for £1 each, including post & packaging

36. Jack Bennett -
started out at Greystone Heath. worked with Righton.

37. Anthony Green –
Somerset – He attended a meeting of P.I.E that was attacked by the Nation Front. He urged tolerance and understanding of paedophiles

38. Bill Thornycroft
He was disgusted at attacks on P.I.E. He was quoted “The sexual freedom of children was needed” – Member of Communist Party Gay Rights Committee in the 70′s

39. Roger Gleaves - Child rapist Roger Gleaves, who called himself the “Bishop of Medway”. Gleaves, of North London, has been in and out of prison for a series of child sex crimes he committed over a 40-year period. Links to several P.I.E members

40. Robert Atkinson –
Newcastle teacher was arrested for sexually abusing a 13 year old student. He was fined £200. The headmaster and staff however continued to support him after the his guilt. Member level status in P.I.E

41. Ian Harvey -
P.I.E member – He sought to differentiate bewteen “good paedophiles” and pedarasts, but without defining his terms or explaining why

42. Micky Burbidge –
He supported P.I.E’s proposal to abolish the age of consent laws. Also wrote a book entitled “Evidence on the law relating to and penalties for certain sexual offences involving children for the Home Office Criminal Law Revision Committee” with Kieth Hose

43. Frits Bernard
(1920 – 2006) was a Dutch psychologist,sexologist, homosexual activist, and pro-pedophile activist.Together with the late Edward Brongersma, he laid the foundations of the emancipation movement of boylovers in the Netherlands.

44. Keith Spence –
He applauded the “courage” of the leaders of P.I.E in the face of ; quote – Hysteria, hostility and violence, also wrote several paedophile articles for Magpie about sexual abuse of young boys

45. Jane Rule –
Canadian Writer of lesbian-themed novels and non-fiction. Co author of Magpie: Journal of the Paedophile Information Exchange - Also supporter of NAMBLA (The North American Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) was founded in December 1978 and is an activist homosexual and pedophilia coalition group. Their primary aim is stated to be the overturn of statutory rape laws and reduction of “age of consent” laws that require a child be of a certain age (which varies by state) before they can agree to sexual intercourse.

46. John Finnin -
Co author of Magpie: Journal of the Paedophile Information Exchange

47. Peter Saxon -
Co author of Magpie: Journal of the Paedophile Information Exchange

48. Kenneth Plummer –
Involved with O’Carroll. He stated “Any study that can take adult-child sexuality out of the zone of shrieking horror and place it in the demystified zone of everyday experience must be welcomed”. sociologist Dr Kenneth Plummer of Essex University, sent a “warm message of support” for “Betrayal of Youth,” and, in company with Nettie Pollard and Professor Donald West (qv), also read, made suggestions and then praised “Paedophilia the Radical Case” receiving “heartfelt thanks” from its author, Paedophile Information Exchange Chairman Tom O’Carroll. Attented several P.I.E meetings
49. Guido TangProcurer of photo's on behalf most mags.

50. Dr Brian Taylor –
Sociologist Brian Taylor adopted the pseudonym “Humphrey Barton” when he was research director of the PIE magazine “Understanding Paedophilia,” being co-opted to its executive committee. Another contributor to his book was a PIE EC member from 1976-77: Peter Righton, who was Director of Education at the National Institute for Social Work. He contributed a chapter entitled “the adult.” He too is quoted in praise of Tom O’Carroll’s book. Attended at least one P.I.E meeting

51. Dennis Grain -
started at greystone heath

52. removed for fact checking

53. Michael Taylor -
Started out in Islington at Gisburne House. After pleading guilty to 7 counts indecent assault, was moved to Bersham Hall in Wrexham where he abused 2 11 year old boys repeatedly.

54. Peter Deathman.
Tom O’Carroll used to visit prisons to provide ‘comfort’ to convicted paedophiles. He made regular visits to Peter Deathman, a PIE member who was serving a 10 year sentence for abducting children.

55. Charles Oxley
1983: The Age Taboo, by Dan Tsang: a review. This review has a colourful history: there were questions about it in Parliament. O'Carroll wrote the review while in Wandsworth Prison for conspiracy to corrupt public morals...The review was written on prison stationery, complete with his prisoner number, L20711, and sent as a letter to PIE member Charles Oxley, who later turned out to be the founding headmaster of a private school based on "old-fashioned moral values", and also an amateur spy. Oxley's efforts resulted in Eldon Griffiths MP raising the matter at Question Time in Parliament. On 11 November, Griffiths, Conservative Party spokesman for the Police Federation, asked Secretary of State Sir Patrick Mayhew whether paedophile literature was permitted in Her Majesty's prisons; and why a prisoner at Wandsworth was allowed to receive and review for publication..."a book on the subject of sexual intercourse with children". The question prompted an equivocal reply, and an apology on behalf of the prison governor. (Minor Problems 1, 15 April 1983, pp.10-11)

56. Frank Beck
It was a chance remark by a mother that sparked Britain’s biggest investigation into child abuse. The conversation between the woman, accused of ill-treating her son, and a Leicestershire council officer did not take place until 1989, three years after Beck resigned as head of three children‘s homes, the Poplars in Market Harborough, the Ratcliffe Road home in Leicester, and the Beeches in Leicester Forest East.
She confided in the official, blaming her own behaviour on the abuse she suffered herself while in Beck’s care at the Ratcliffe Road home in the mid-1970s. She was advised to go to the police and detectives she spoke to noted the names of other children who also claimed they were abused. Senior police officers decided to interview every child who had been in care in homes run by Beck from when he started work at them in 1973.

57. Greville Janner MP
Was named by Beck. Damning evidence concerning JANNER’s sustained sexual abuse of a 13 year-old boy in care emerged during Beck’s trial, but JANNER was shielded by the then Director of Public Proescutions, Sir Alan Green—who resigned shortly after as the result of a “kerb-crawling” incident.
58. John D. Stamford
Founder of Sparticus International Ltd.

59. Beat Meier
Swiss paedophile also connected to Dutroux in Belgium. Also Editor of Libido, paedo rag.

60. Roger Lawrence
Was stopped, with Meier, smuggling a 3-year old child across International borders.
The child had been kidnapped 7 months prior to being discovered hiding under a blanket

61. Ralph Alden
http://spotlightonabuse.files.wordpress ... p18678.jpg

62. Paul Andrews
http://spotlightonabuse.files.wordpress ... p18678.jpg

P.I.E Affilliates if not members:
Nicholas Ferguson
Terry Waller
Tony Deane
Keith Spence
Rictor Norton

http://ukpaedos-exposed.com/paedophile- ... ers/p-i-e/
http://whatcanidoaboutit.wordpress.com/ ... e-research
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2kT2ci ... ring&pli=1

Plus commenter contributions:
“Daily Mirror
1 April, 1978

A CHILD-SEX campaign was branded by an Old Bailey judge yesterday as a ‘sinister group’.
‘The Paedophile Information Exchange must cause deep anxiety to people who care about the welfare of children,’ said Judge Brian Gibbons.
His criticism came when he jailed four of the nine men who admitted homosexual acts with young boys and indecent assault. The others were given suspended sentences and fined.
Two of the men had met through the Exchange and a network of communication had been developed among the nine who ‘passed boys round the system.’

One of the men, 26-year-old Robert Bushell, of Golders Green was described by the judge as the worst offender. (def PIE -plus a n other of these below)

Daily Express (1.4.78) reported that Judge Gibbons also jailed Geoffrey Taylor, 65, for four years for indecent assault; David Hooper, 35, four years for buggery; and Nigel Beatman, 32, 30 months for indecent assault.

http://msjenniferjames.blog.co.uk/2013/ ... -15501458/
More PIE sympathizers - CHE members but protested PIE bank account being closed.

David Green - Chair CHE
Nick Billingham - Treasurer CHE

From this news article on Murun's site:
http://spotlightonabuse.files.wordpress ... 30983b.jpg
Tony Zalewski - link to newspaper clip naming him on Murun's site
http://spotlightonabuse.files.wordpress ... 30983b.jpg
Rod Ryall - Calderdale social services director linked to Righton in this article.
RR served time for abuse. Poss PIE - given the connection
Def paedo. http://spotlightonabuse.wordpress.com/c ... ge/page/2/
Eric Cross - Brit - jailed in US - porn distributor 'Thursday's Child' magazine
Joseph Blout - placed ads in Dutch mag 'Lolita'
these two may be names for your international list Kaz. Not actually categorised as PIE members - but in that circle - and convicted.
http://spotlightonabuse.files.wordpress ... 22381e.jpg
http://spotlightonabuse.wordpress.com/2 ... n-22-3-81/
Michael Dagnall was a teacher in Southampton
John Parrat (aka Middleton) was a hot dog salesman.
http://spotlightonabuse.files.wordpress ... e15381.jpg
PAL - which merged with PIE

Ian Melville - ex welfare officer living Morden, Surrey. says gets access to children by offering to donate (charity ) to a home- it's sickening
Douglas Slade of HMS Pembroke, Chatham, Kent - royal Navy catering (wonder if there is a Savile family tie in?)
Chris Skeaping - ex racing driver, motor mechanic Hampton Middlesex.
David Bloomfield - administrator PAL- high ranking official in Institute of Mechanical Engineers
John Hall - had studied law - had a film making company - lived Carlisle Mansions, Victoria
http://spotlightonabuse.wordpress.com/2 ... n-25-5-75/

Also mentions a woman - psychologist at a State hospital - Glynis Parry - vice president of CHE - not a member of PAL- but a paedo sympathiser. Lived in grounds of Oakwood hospital Maidstone...
Wasn't that Righton territory at one point - somewhere near maidstone?
Peter Deathman
newspaper link
http://spotlightonabuse.wordpress.com/2 ... on-visits/
have a lot more networks than just P.I.E on there now honey. full list over in Filing Cabinet. https://sites.google.com/site/kaztiggrfiles/paedo-mags
Need to know if any of names are also known masons. please honey, if u know.
Greville Janner was allegedly known to practice black magic rituals in the 1970s.
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Re: P.I.E. and Magpie docs

Postby semper occultus » Fri Mar 14, 2014 4:26 am

....good god....thanks for posting Plutonia...

that version of the membership roll doesn't seem to include the fromer Leader of the Liberal Party ( precursor to the Liberal Democrats formed by merger of the Libs & the Labour right-wing drop-outs the SDP ) David Steel or the "several MP's" alleged in this Scallywag article...( oh Janner's on there )

so re leaders of the Liberals we have Jeremy Thorpe, Steel & now Clegg of whom John Ward has written :

“He [Clegg] got the job because Clegg’s father was a very close friend of Leon Brittan” ( EU apparatchik job )

...they can't half pick 'em...entirely compromised

...one assumes the libel laws would prevent an unexpurgated version being put out so relying on public domain sources only ...

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Re: P.I.E. and Magpie docs

Postby semper occultus » Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:47 am

..useful context I think :

The Beginnings of Radical Paedophilia in Britain
The general public in the UK has long been aware of 'child molesting' and 'perversion'. But only in the 1970s did it come to hear about 'paedophilia', a designation suddenly lifted from the obscurity of medical textbooks to become a crusading badge of identity for those whom the term had been designed to oppress.

'Paedophilia' became simultaneously a recognized word and a public issue in August and September 1977, when a series of connected events resulted in the activities of the Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE) being given prominent attention in the national press. Prior to this time, most people had no idea that an organization like PIE was in existence, which is perhaps not surprising considering its tiny membership - the total at that time standing around 250 - and the fact that it had only been going since October 1974. Nor, when the dust had settled on that late summer's attention, were they any the wiser as to the reasons for its appearance, its philosophy, its proposals: the nature of the publicity had seen to that.

It was not until PIE had been going for a number of months that I myself heard about it, or about Paedophile Action for Liberation (PAL), which was later merged with PIE. There had been virtually no newspaper coverage at that time, and the only people 'in the know' about paedophile groups were readers of gay newspapers and magazines, and others in gay circles who had heard by word of mouth. 1

I came into neither category. The only friend of mine I knew to be gay had invited me along to a gay lib conference, but that was very much a 'one-off' event for me - a rather daring excursion into a completely alien world. Unlike the relatively sober conferences of the Campaign for Homosexual Equality, this was a let's-be-outrageous Gay Liberation Front drag show, full of wonderful, gutsy, flamboyant queens, the air dripping with scent and theatricality: beards, I recall, were no longer just hairs growing out of a man's face, but were now pronounced, with great solemnity, to be 'the last bastion of male chauvinism'.

Much as I admired the panache, I felt this was not for me. I didn't feel like a queen. I didn't feel gay at all, and although Quentin Crisp is firmly in my pantheon of twentieth-century heroes, I felt as out of place in GLF company as I would sipping tea with Mary Whitehouse.

My discovery of the nascent paedophile subculture was something of an accident. At the time, I was Editor of the Open University staff newspaper, Open House, and decided to cover an OU Women's Group meeting on homosexuality. This led to a controversial feature, in which two staff 'came out' as homosexual. It was rumoured that this attracted the ire of Sir Frederick Warner, Chairman of the University Council and the man chiefly responsible for my ultimate dismissal from the position of Press Officer with the University (on the grounds that my connection with PIE had embarrassed the University). In the preparation of the Open House article, I 'came out' as paedophile to the gay contributors, and was soon pointed in the direction of PAL and PIE, the latter of which I joined in May 1975.

In the same spring, I went to several meetings of PAL, which had developed as a breakaway group from South London GLF. It was at these meetings that I first met other paedophiles, and experienced the sheer exhilaration and joy of suddenly finding a whole new social world - a world in which the Great Unmentionable was all at once the thing to talk about, a source of instant, garrulous rapport, between the unlikeliest combinations of people: at my first meeting there were maybe a dozen, all male, mostly young, not easily pigeon-holed by either dress, accent or manner, into any obvious social class stereotypes. Among them were a naval petty officer, a motor mechanic, a former child welfare officer, a medical research technician, a high-ranking administrator and a bus driver. At a later meeting a middle-aged man introduced himself as the headmaster of a boarding school for boys.

It was not long that year before PAL proved itself slightly too garrulous, too open, too devil-may-care, for it became the subject of classic 'expose' treatment in the Sunday press - a whole front page, plus centre-page spread, in the Sunday People, which resulted in local intimidation and lost jobs for some of those who were exposed. For a long time (though not ultimately), PIE was luckier, and better able to survive than the demoralized members - or embers - of the PAL conflagration. Personally, I felt that in a short time PAL had done a lot for me. It had given me new hope and new friends, but in the year that followed the expose it was to PIE that I turned for some serious hope of encountering a durable vehicle for paedophile radicalism.

PIE, like PAL, had grown out of the gay movement of the mid-1970s. A brain-child whose parents were idealism and a sense of injustice at society's reaction to 'deviant' sexuality, PIE had been the idea of Michael Hanson, a gay student living in Edinburgh, who became the group's first Chairperson. He wasn't even a paedophile, though a passing relationship with a youth whom he took to be sixteen, but who turned out to be a year younger, provided the mental stimulus for his deliberations on paedophilia.

Set up initially as a special interest group within the Scottish Minorities Group (now the Scottish Homosexual Rights Group), PIE's advertising soon brought in a preponderance of enquiries from England, and the group's centre of gravity moved to London, where it acquired a new Chairperson in the following year.

This was Keith Hose, then aged twenty-three, who, like those who had started PAL, had connections with the South London group of GLF. He had found GLF radicalism exciting and productive. Inspired by Engels, their thinking questioned the basis of the family as an economic, social and sexual system. And well before Keith's appearance on the scene, a large contingent of GLF had favoured the abolition of the age of consent; their youth group had even staged a march in support of this.

It is also true that an equally large contingent were against paedophilia, on the ground that it had sexist overtones (boys, in relation to men, arguably being placed in a subordinate 'woman's role'), but to Keith GLF's appeal lay as much in the vigour and freshness of their direct action campaigns as in their ideas. If GLF gays found themselves discriminated against in a pub, they would promptly stage a mass sit-in there; action which sometimes won them the respect and support of 'straight' locals, rather than hostility. 'Radical drag' was one of their more flamboyant manifestations: gays would dress in weird combinations of clothes, such as 'butch' pit boots worn with a 'femme' feathered hat, in a graphic, art-derived and powerful visual challenge to traditional assumptions - assumptions not just about dress, but about the sociosexual roles of the wearers.

Keith was also adamant that we must move towards a society in which children's rights, and the equality of children with adults as persons, would be recognized. In the original formulation of the aims of PIE, children's rights did not figure. They were:

1 To clear away, where possible, the myths connected with paedophilia by various means, including the making public of scientific, sociological and similar information.

2 To give advice and counsel to those isolated or lonely because of their paedophile orientation.

3 To help those in legal difficulties concerning sexual acts with under-age partners that took place with the latter's consent.

4 To campaign, as members see fit, for the legal and social acceptance of paedophile love.

5 To provide a means whereby paedophiles might get in contact with each other.

Keith attended the Edinburgh meeting, in March 1975, at which these aims were approved, and at his suggestion the following words were added: 'As a result of the above the group believes that it is essential that attitudes towards young people should change.' A small, but significant, change of emphasis.

The shock waves in the wake of PAL's Sunday People affair were felt in PIE, so that it proved difficult to find people prepared to take the risks involved in front-line activism. The only way out, it was decided, was an aggressive policy. 'The only way for PIE to survive,' Keith later wrote, 2 'was to seek out as much publicity for the organization as possible.... If we got bad publicity we would not run into a corner but stand and fight. We felt that the only way to get more paedophiles joining P I E... was to seek out and try to get all kinds of publications to print our organization's name and address and to make paedophilia a real public issue.'

The extensive publicity he had in mind proved harder to achieve than any of us imagined. For a long while our news releases were swiftly consigned to Fleet Street wastepaper bins, and we had to take what comfort we could from coverage in 'alternative' press sources. But PIE began to make its presence felt in other ways, notably by Keith's attendance at the 1975 annual conference of CHE at Sheffield, where he made an impassioned speech on paedophilia that was well received (and was covered at length in The Guardian, and also at a conference in the same year organized by MIND, the national mental health organization.

One outcome of the MIND conference was the suggestion to Keith that PIE should submit evidence to the Home Office Criminal Law Revision Committee on the age of consent. With amazing despatch Keith did exactly this, preparing and submitting the seventeen-page document discussed in Chapter 6 in a matter of weeks, without the benefit of research time or facilities at his disposal. What's more, we have it on reliable authority that his work caught the imagination of no less a figure than the Home Secretary of the time, Roy Jenkins. He is said to have been impressed (our informant did not tell us whether he actually agreed with anything proposed), but added words to the effect: 'Of course, it hasn't a hope in hell.'

The emphasis in PIE, during most of its short history, has been on campaigning, on producing what we have intended to be thought-provoking and controversial documents, such as our Evidence on the Age of Consent, and on seeking publicity for them. But, as already pointed out, our formally defined aims were much wider than this: they included giving 'advice and counsel', and/or legal help, to paedophiles who ask for it, and providing a means for paedophiles to get in touch with each other.

In other words we have always intended to be a 'self-help' group. In this respect we have something in common with a slimmers' club, or Alcoholics Anonymous, though of course our philosophy of self-help has been vastly different to either. The point of paedophiles helping each other, as we have seen it, has not been to help each other to reform himself, to try and modify his sexual identity to fit in with the demands of society. The point has been one of learning how to cope with the fact of living in a hostile society. How to be paedophile without being suicidal about it, without feeling guilty just because other people expect you to. Guilt-ridden, anxious paedophiles are almost bound to become more relaxed, more happy as individuals, if for the first time in their lives they find themselves amongst other paedophiles who have learnt not to be depressed by their oppression.

How have we fared in this aim? What have we done to help paedophiles themselves?

Like PAL, we have in the past had regular London meetings to which members could come along and chat about their problems and experiences, but beyond a doubt our most consistently successful service to members has been the Contact Page. As the name implies, this is a bulletin in which members who want to be put in touch with others place an advertisement, and wait for replies. The advertisers simply give their membership number, general location, and brief details of their sexual and other interests. Replies are sent to PIE, as with a box number system, so that until a measure of trust is built up between the correspondents neither is informed of the other's address.

Obviously, we have always had to be very careful in the kind of ads we have accepted. The purpose has always been to put paedophiles in touch with each other, not with children, and once in a while we have had to turn down ads which could have implied the latter. Likewise we have been careful not to allow ads for the sale or purchase of erotica. Not surprisingly, the News of the World eventually turned its attention to our ads. These are some that caught their eye:

No. 273 Energetic middle-aged male sincere and discreet Iks boys 8-15 yrs and the various ways in which they dress. Int swimming. Wld lk to hear from others with similar ints.

No. 390 Male. Interested public school type boys, 12-16, either in football shorts or corduroy trousers, wd like to meet young male, 20-30, with similar interests. (S W London/Surrey).

No. 379 Male Int girls 6-13 wd lk to correspond/meet others with similar interests; music, sports, fashion, Hi-Fi, photography, dance, reading, films. (Blackpool).

No. 373 Doctor, male. Poet and author, interested photos little girls in white pants and little boys out of white pants. Wd like to hear from male or female with similar interests. All letters answered. Perfect discretion. (Reading, Berks).

No. 401 Anglican priest, south London, anxious to meet other paeds for friendship and help.

We have never conducted a formal survey of our members' use of the Contact Page, but I imagine the figure would be well over 80 per cent having written or received at least one letter during their membership. I myself used the system during the early months of my membership.

Neither of these essential activities of a 'self-help' group - the holding of small, informal meetings, and the putting of members in touch with each other - is presently a simple matter for PIE: meetings have been infiltrated by a hostile press 3 and the contact ads have resulted in a prosecution, in that their publication has allegedly involved a 'conspiracy to corrupt public morals'. Such basic functions would present no problems at all for most organizations. Nor would they probably have become that much of a problem for PIE, if we were not also a vigorous and controversial campaigning group.

Our expressed intention to provide 'advice and counsel' and legal help is less controversial than either our campaigning or our contact ads, but, perhaps surprisingly, these are activities which have not been concentrated upon. Although PIE does deal with dozens of personal letters every week, many of them requiring carefully considered and tactfully worded replies, we find that the need for 'advice and counsel' doesn't often arise in quite the terms that we originally conceived it. Only very rarely do paedophiles write to us asking for 'advice', as opposed to information, or a sharing of confidences, and in any case there is usually little advice that can sensibly be given. What we find people need is friendship, and that is something for members to give each other, not a commodity to be dispensed by experts specially assigned to the job.

There are exceptions. Like the sophisticated young man - good Cambridge University honours degree, several years' experience in teaching - who professed himself at a loss to know what to do. He felt that he was going to get into trouble with boys and wanted to know whether to accept his doctor's advice, which was to undergo a course of aversion therapy. We spent a couple of hours talking it over. I told him of the unpleasant nature of the treatment and the possibility of its failure. By way of balance, I also waxed fairly lyrical about the fate of the various people I knew in prison for paedophilic offences, and the fact that it might be his fate too, if; as he seemed to think likely, he was going to get into trouble.

I sensed that he really wanted me to tell him what to do. To direct him to have the treatment or not have it. Despite his obviously high intelligence, his ability to think the issues through, at that point in his life he simply wasn't capable of making tough decisions on his own. Maybe I let him down, because I declined to be judgmental in the way in which he was inviting me to be. I tried to hide my own distaste for aversion therapy, and other forms of 'treatment', but at the same time explored with him some thoughts about the philosophy of sexual identity - thoughts which underlay my distaste. In particular, I asked him how important a part of his personality he felt his paedophilic orientation constituted. If he were to wake up in the morning finding himself attracted to women rather than boys, would this give him joy, or distress? Would he feel still the same person essentially, or would the change have meant the death of a part of himself which he held dear, a part which was an inalienable aspect of his sense of self?

Somewhat to my dismay, his sense of the importance of his own sexual identity appeared to be rather slight, and I suppose if that were not the case he could never even have contemplated aversion therapy. I don't think I persuaded him, one way or the other, nor, as I say, do I think that is what I should have tried to do. Whether he ever took the treatment I do not know, but he did get into trouble, and is now serving a four-year sentence.

As you may imagine, I felt dreadful about that. If I had come down firmly in favour of him doing what his doctor told him, would it have happened? I wrote, and offered to visit him in prison, but it turned out that he was being well looked after there by his family, and had a good job in the prison library - where he was able to get on with writing his novel, plus a critical edition of the works of some eighteenth-century poet.

I do not think I can be blamed for him being in prison. But the incident threw into sharp focus for me the impossibility of a radical paedophile like myself giving 'good' or 'sound' advice. To have recommended the 'sensible' course of doing as the doctor ordered would have stuck in the craw too much.

PIE's contribution as regards the law has been more modest, and consequently less perilous. Usually, it boils down to recommending a good and unprejudiced solicitor - a rare commodity when it comes to dealing with paedophilic offences, but we know quite a lot of people who fit the bill. In addition, if the worst comes to the worst, we arrange where possible for people to be visited in prison, or for them to be provided with regular 'pen pals'. Practical help of this sort is almost certainly the most useful thing we can do for members, and a service which we intend to develop rather more systematically than we have done so far.

Already, in these remarks on self-help, I have indicated a number of areas in which our campaigning aims conflict with those of being useful to our membership. In nothing is this more true than the scope and nature of the regular magazines distributed to members. The original Newsletter, run-off in sometimes almost illegible copies from a badly-typed original, was superseded in 1976 by an altogether more ambitious venture, called Understanding Paedophilia. As the name implies, this was conceived as something of a shopwindow for PIE, and for paedophilia generally, and the aim was to sell it in radical bookshops and elsewhere, as well as to distribute it free to our own members.

Printed on high-quality paper, with an attractive and stylish format, UP was very much the baby of Warren Middleton, one of PIE's first London members. The rest of us on the Executive Committee (which I had joined in 1976) were all too busy doing our own thing for PIE to thrash out what we wanted for the magazine in terms of any consistent approach or philosophy. Such comments as we made tended to follow the appearance of an issue, rather than precede it, and tended to be relatively minor suggestions, like 'Why not have a picture of a little girl on the front page for a change, instead of a boy?'

Yes, there were pictures, which brings us to the central dilemma of this and all our publications for members: Warren was firmly on one side in this dilemma, and to a degree, though not entirely, I was on the other. For Warren, UP was to be an almost entirely didactic enterprise, an elevated, cultured journal, which would show paedophilia in a new light. There would be extracts from sensitive paedophilic literature, and long highbrow articles from heavyweight psychologists and others throughout the world, who would establish the respectability of paedophilic love. Not too much emphasis would be placed on the physical minutiae of paedophilic sex, as this would be 'sordid' and would lower the tone - an attitude which I felt merely reinforced the anti-sexual prejudices of society at large.

By contrast, I reasoned that our members were paying a substantial subscription (then 5 pounds) and that apart from the Contact Page, the magazine was their only regular benefit from PIE membership. Accordingly, it ought to be geared to what they wanted, and if we failed to deliver the goods we could reckon on a low resubscription rate. What did I think they wanted? Some intellectual articles, by all means, but articles designed for them, not for the relatively ignorant outside world. I also felt that we should get as near as the law would allow us to doing a kind of Forum page - publishing letters from readers on the details of sexual relationships. There was also scope for erotic fiction, and erotic pictures of children (which the law would then allow rather more than it does now). And why not? What could be more in tune with our aim of taking the sense of guilt out of sexuality than to be cheerfully erotic about it ourselves?

With Warren's eventual departure from active work with PIE, UP was replaced by a new magazine called Magpie. Its approach has been, and continues to be, a compromise between the shopwindow concept and a lively forum for members, which, although not overtly erotic, is still attractive. The staple is a mixture of news, book and film reviews with a paedophilic or children's rights angle, intellectual articles, non-nude photographs of children, humour (yes, humour about paedophilia), letters and various other contributions by members.

By 1977 we had yet another regular publication too, edited by 'David'. This was called Childhood Rights, and was an entirely campaigning journal. Since David's retirement, we have given more children's rights emphasis to the content of Magpie, in lieu of CR.

How, overall, is the impact of PIE on its own membership to be assessed? Two letters have appeared in Magpie which I think sum up rather well the dilemma we have faced - the essential conflict between PIE the campaigners and PIE the self-helpers. First of all the pessimistic viewpoint:

'I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that I should resign from PIE. When I joined, I saw it as an organization serving the purpose of meeting friends whose sexual orientation was similar to my own. It therefore gave me: (1) a feeling of release, in that I could safely share views normally repressed; (2) a feeling of security - in that I no longer felt isolated from the world because of my sexual outlook.

'Speaking purely for myself, I no longer feel a sense of (1) release - in so far as our aims seem no longer the mutual discussion of views, but rather an attempt to convince the community of the rightness of our views; (2) security - in so far as I now feel much more at risk in expressing paedophile views than I did before this year's [1977's] campaigning began.

'It is, I think, a correct summing up of what happened in 1977 to say that in spite of the courage you have shown in your outspoken views, and in spite of the publicity we have sought - and gained - the image of the Paedophile in the minds of the Community is now much further removed from reality than it was before our publicity-seeking began.

'That is the cardinal, indisputable tragedy of our situation. There is thus no object in my remaining a member. My decision is, however, a most reluctant one, since some of the finest people I have ever met in the gay world are PIE members. I have very much enjoyed their companionship, and no doubt in leaving PIE I shall be losing that friendship. I have no doubt that my loss will be greater than theirs....'

That letter saddened me, of course, and I answered it at length in Magpie. But it is only one side of the story. This member reached quite different conclusions:

'Yesterday I was clearing the moths out of my wallet when I came across my PIE membership card and noticed it was, like my bank balance, about to expire. This set me wondering what exactly my twelve months membership of PIE had done for me.

'Probably the most obvious thing is that I now have a number of friends who, like myself, are paedophile. Also I feel more secure and no longer have a great fear of others finding out about my sexuality. This is probably just as well, as I shall endeavour to explain.

'About four weeks ago I took out a subscription to Boys International. Three days later an envelope arrived containing my first issue of B.I., some illustrated lists of other publications, and a subscription form containing my name, address and the magazine I was subscribing to. I put the copy of B.I. in a drawer and sat on the settee to look through the book lists. A couple of minutes later there was a knock at the door so I put the lists and subscription form under one of the seat cushions on the settee, and went to see who it was. Anyway for one reason or another that was the last I thought about the lists.

'That evening I was sat in the kitchen having a cup of coffee when a large van pulled up outside the house. In come two guys and promptly load the three-piece suite, book list, subscription form and all, into the van. My flat-mate had bought a new suite, sold the old one and forgotten to tell me about it. Well twelve months ago I would have been running down the road after that van trying to recover the "incriminating evidence". Instead I finished up rolling about the kitchen floor laughing my head off at the thought of some prude cleaning the "muck" out from under the cushions.

'What exactly all this proves I haven't the faintest idea. But if I should find myself down at the local nick for having the audacity to love a young boy now, I have some friends who I know will understand. I couldn't have said that last year. 4

In its present form I suppose that PIE can only help those paedophiles who at least have in them the potential for this spirit - but I like to think that, despite all the problems, this amounts to not a few of our membership.

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Postby Searcher08 » Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:09 am

That is brilliant work!
Semper, your comment about a certain liberal gentleman made me think of a story I remember reading about Ironman celebrating the New Year with a massive orgy at his country home, either in Scotland or Berwick? I remember doing a double take that it had not received more publicity, then forgot about it. It sounded like 'Eyes Wide Shut' stuff.
My intuition says there may be a big Scottish connection somewhere - potential NATO connections, the Holly Greig case absolutely stinks to high heaven and is being covered up...
I was talking with a Scottish woman this week who asked if I had heard of a practice called 'The Ribbons" - apparently in Victorian and Edwardian times, the 'upper class gentlemen' of Edinburgh
wanted to avoid getting STDs, so would arrange for destitute children to be brought into domestic service; they had no domestic duties (which apparently made servants look worn-out) and were distinguished by wearing ribbons that were the same plain colour as the curtains. It sounded like a real 'Shirley Temple' / doll thing.
I kept thinking about the murders of girls in Cuidad Juarez and apart from killing them, sounded really similar - very much about 'power' and 'in-group behaviour'
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Postby semper occultus » Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:42 am

Searcher08 » 14 Mar 2014 10:09 wrote:My intuition says there may be a big Scottish connection somewhere...

...that's extremely interesting.....my intuition agrees entirely...!

thinking back to that unholy alliance / tag-team of Steel & David Owen in the 80's - Liberal SDP Alliance : Pluto was ruminating on Savile's connection to Broadmoor :

Doctor David Owen ( MD ) of course :

And his involvement at Broadmoor was rubber-stamped in 1974 by Dr David Owen, now Lord Owen, who was health minister, government papers in the National Archives disclose.

Savile had accommodation at all three hospitals and came to be in charge of Broadmoor for a period in the 1980s when he was put in charge of a task force to run the secure hospital.

Ministers have ordered inquiries into how the NHS came to allow him such access, but key details have now been uncovered that cast new light on his activities.

He was first involved in Leeds General Infirmary in 1961 when he was asked by its chief porter, Charles Hullighan, to help its new hospital radio station, and promptly volunteered as a porter.

Savile had already been questioned by police over allegations of having sex with under-age girls at dance halls he ran across the north, and had become a pirate radio disc jockey.

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Postby Plutonia » Fri Mar 14, 2014 4:01 pm

As you pointed out in the Savile thread, Semper, it does seem strange that there is so much revelation going on right now in the UK press - which makes me wonder if either 1) There's a succession struggle going on since the Arch-peado-gangster-blackmailer (Savile) has passed or if, rather, 2) PIE was set-up as a stealth bomb on a slow timer - you'd have to be really naive to put your name to such an organization wouldn't you? Easy now to pull down all those thus compromised, clear the field for X?

There is an odd detail that I'm wondering if may be a significant "tell" of an operation in an area. Let me try try this on you and see what you think:

In 1981 Jimmy Boyle was involved in setting up the Gateway Exchange in Edinburgh- a sort of cultural centre for addicts. Though apparently "reformed", he had been protected by the Krays in London, while he was on the run from police in the mid-1960's. A reformed Boyle plus the funding of the Exchange must have been seen as huge Leftie coup at the time. http://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/ ... 7.weekend3

But here's the thing, a similar program was set up in Vancouver (DEYAS 1989) just before the activist community began to campaign about the "missing women" and in the exact same area:
http://www.positivelivingbc.org/news/12 ... rugs-began
http://www.missingpeople.net/activist_j ... _at_61.htm
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-c ... s-1.814425

Also, the rumours of the elite paedophile network began to circulate in the early 1990's.

Robert Picton was arrested in 2002 and convicted in 2007: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Pickton

Pickton and his brother, David Francis Pickton, ran a registered charity called the Piggy Palace Good Times Society, a non-profit society whose official mandate was to "organize, co-ordinate, manage and operate special events, functions, dances, shows and exhibitions on behalf of service organizations, sports organizations and other worthy groups." http://www.vancouverobserver.com/city/c ... alues-rise
(and the Picton pig farm was already a party-place in the early 1980's)

DEYAS closed in 2009.

By the time the Olympics arrived in 2010, there had been months of uncharacteristic almost-daily, gang-related shootings: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-c ... e-1.831551

There is still the safe injection site in Vancouver and there were other needle exchange programs before DEYAS, but still, it does look a bit funky does it not? The essential bit is the establishment of a "progressive" help-the-disadvantaged organization in the midst of the victim/witnesses.
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Postby semper occultus » Mon Mar 24, 2014 6:43 am

...bollocks I'm getting slack.... :snoring:

semper occultus » 14 Mar 2014 10:42 wrote:thinking back to that unholy alliance / tag-team of Steel & David Owen in the 80's - Liberal SDP Alliance : Pluto was ruminating on Savile's connection to Broadmoor :

Doctor David Owen ( MD ) of course :

And his involvement at Broadmoor was rubber-stamped in 1974 by Dr David Owen, now Lord Owen, who was health minister, government papers in the National Archives disclose.


...was of course this David Owen....( acolyte of Britain's brain-washer-in-chief William Sargant )

David Owen, one time British foreign secretary, worked under Sargant at St Thomas’ in the 1960s

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Postby guruilla » Mon Mar 24, 2014 2:53 pm

Wow, seemed you clocked to this connection over here the exact same day I did over here: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=37924&p=539454#p539484
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Postby guruilla » Sat Mar 29, 2014 5:17 pm

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/ ... ust&cid=-1

Background of the PIE-affiliated Albany Trust according to the Fabian Society's London School of Economics:

Administrative history:
The history of the Albany Trust is inextricably linked with that of the Homosexual Law Reform Society or HLRS. The HLRS was founded in June 1958 following the recommendation of the Wolfenden Report that homosexual behaviour between consenting adults in private should no longer be a criminal offence. Its first Chairman was Kenneth Walker (succeeded by Cecil Hewitt Rolph in 1964), and its first Secretary the Revd Andrew Hallidie Smith. The work of the HLRS was undertaken by a small working group liasing with an honorary committee. The first public meeting was held on 12 May 1960 at Caxton Hall, and culminated with a vote in favour of reform, resulting in a letter to the Home Office. This was closely followed by a parliamentary debate in June 1960. The Society was reconstituted in 1970 as the Sexual Law Reform Society in order to campaign for further legal changes, particularly relating to the age of consent.

The Albany Trust was founded as a registered charity in May 1958 as a complimentary organisation to the HLRS with a remit 'to promote psychological health in men by collecting data and conducting research: to publish the results thereof by writing, films, lectures and other media: to take suitable steps based thereon for the public benefit to improve the social and general conditions necessary for such healthy psychological development'. The founding Trustees were Anthony Edward Dyson, Jacquetta Hawkes, Kenneth Walker, Andrew Hallidie Smith, and Ambrose Appelbe. The Albany Trust developed into a pioneering counselling and investigating organisation for gay men, lesbians and sexual minorities. It published a journal Man and Society from 1961-1973, and a newsletter entitled Spectrum from 1963-1970, as well as a series of pamphlets. It also provided speakers for numerous organisations and established a network of counsellors. Antony Grey became the Acting Secretary of both HLRS and the Albany Trust in 1962. The funds raised and donated for the work of the Albany Trust allowed it to finance office space and staff. These same facilities were then available for the campaigning work of the Homosexual Law Reform Society (HLRS). Following the Sexual Offences Act of 1967, which decriminalised adult homosexual relationships, the Albany Trust became primarily an educational and counselling organisation. Due to an increasing volume of casework, a social caseworker was appointed in 1967, and the Trust was increasingly involved in the training of youth workers and the development of sex education. From 1976 to 1979 a full-time youth officer was employed. A field officer appointed from 1975 to 1980 investigated the Trust's links with social workers and counsellors throughout the country.

The Albany Trust remains active today promoting psychosexual health through counselling, education and research.

The Albany Society Ltd was founded in 1968 as a charitable limited company to deal with the commercial side of the Trust's operations. In 1988 it simplified its name to the Albany Society.

The archive includes files like this (emphasis added):

Trustees Meetings: papers HCA/ALBANY TRUST/4/1 1975-1977

1 folder

Agenda; budgets.
Paedophilia: some questions and answers.
Visit report by Antony Grey: Edinburgh, 1-4 October 1976.
Field Officers reports, December 1975-June 1976 and 14 September 1976.

And this:

Paedophilia HCA/ALBANY TRUST/7/127 1975-1977

1 folder

Conditions of access: 100 YEAR CLOSURE

Includes discussion group.


Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE) and Paedophile Awareness and Liberation (PAL) publications HCA/ALBANY TRUST/14/119 1975

1 folder


Palaver 4 and 5.


Contacts HCA/ALBANY TRUST/7/67 1966-1970s

3 folders

Lists of contacts (including possible patrons/members of Advisory Panel).
Also correspondence, including David Astor, Lady Barnes, John H Gagnon, Kenneth Robinson, Andrew Shonfield, Lord Stonham.
Conditions of access: 100 YEAR CLOSURE

Includes Integroup; KENRIC; ULU Gay Medics Group; Gay Teenage Group.


Albany Trust courses HCA/ALBANY TRUST/11/39 1976-1979

1 folder

Management and Organisation in Voluntary Organisations.
Psychosexual Problems of Young People.
An Experience of Counselling.
Discussion Group syllabus.
Sex education and personal relationships.
Christian Service with Young People.
Family Planning and Sex Therapy.
Sex Education - where do we go from here.
Training for leadership.
Sex and Sanity.
Physiology of Sexual Intercourse.

Newsletters and flyers HCA/ALBANY TRUST/11/40 1977-1978

1 folder

Sexual Awareness in the Youth Service and Gay Youth Workers Group newsletter.
National Association of Young Peoples Counselling and Advisory Services.
London Friend.
London Gay Teenage Group.

Research file HCA/ALBANY TRUST/12/6 1950s-1960s

1 folder

'The psychology of sex - heterosexual and homosexual', by Theodore Faithfull, 1954.
Papers by Antony Grey: 'Wolfenden Occasion', 'Homosexuality - private problem or public concern?', 'Two radio features on homosexuality', 'Antony Grey on English attitudes', 1961-1963.
Letter from Henry Brooke to Mr Jeffries, regarding the law relating to homosexual offences, 5 December 1962 (copy).
Research plan for theories of deviant behaviour.
A Study of Deviant Socialisation: methodological appendix.
Papers by M.P.Feldman including, 'Aversion Therapy for Sexual Deviations: a critical review', 1966.
Blank questionnaire on homosexual reaction to opposite sex.

[Fabian & John Maynard Keynes buddy Kinglsey Martin's name also appears]


Reports and papers HCA/ALBANY TRUST/12/18 1967-1970s

1 folder

Sex and the law: a plan for reform, nd.
Sexual Relations with Minors by Richard Card, Symposium on the Reform of the Law of Sexual Offences, nd.
Sado-masochism, Consent and the Reform of the Criminal Law, by L.H.Leigh, nd.
What is a Lesbian by Diana M.Chapman, nd.
The Reform of the Law of Sexual Offences: offences connected with prostitution by J.E.Hall Williams, nd.
The Structure of the Law on Sexual Offences: paper to Criminal Law Symposium, Cardiff, December 1974.
Love for Children: outline of a campaign, December 1974.
Love for Children by John Bradshaw.

My Only Life, 1967.


Youth Worker's Papers HCA/ALBANY TRUST/16 1976-1979

63 files

Administrative history:
AT developed its involvement in the training for youth workers and development of sex education during the mid-70s. Ric Rogers was appointed youth officer in 1976, funded by the Department of Education and Science; he was replaced by Alan Smith in 1977. A report on Youth and Sexuality was published in October 1979. The aim of the work was to train youth workers and initially work was concentrated on the North East and the West Midlands, but gradually contacts were made throughout the country.

Papers include materials relating to the Youth and Sexuality Project and files on training for local authorities and voluntary organisations.
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Postby Searcher08 » Sat Mar 29, 2014 8:11 pm

I felt drawn to do some quick Wiki research on those people

Francis David Langhorne Astor CH (March 5, 1912 – December 7, 2001) was an English newspaper publisher and member of the Astor family.
David Astor died in London at the age of 89 and is buried in All Saints' Churchyard, Sutton Courtenay, Oxfordshire, in a grave with a simple headstone bearing only his name. In the grave next to Astor's is buried his friend George Orwell whose real name was Eric Blair. Astor bought both burial plots when he learned that Orwell had asked to be buried in an English country churchyard.

S08: Astor reads like a very decent guy

Andrew Shonfield
Born 10 August 1917 Tadworth, Surrey, England
Died 23 January 1981 London, England
Occupation Economist, writer
Subjects Economics
Notable work(s) Modern Capitalism

Sir Andrew Shonfield (10 August 1917–23 January 1981)[1] was a British economist best known for writing Modern Capitalism (1966), a book that documented the rise of long-term planning in postwar Europe. Shonfield's argument that planning allows public authority to control and direct private enterprise without taking ownership of it as the socialists proposed have made him one of the better-known advocates of a mixed economy.

Shonfield also worked as a journalist. He was the foreign editor of The Financial Times from 1950 and 1958, then worked as The Observer's economic editor.

He was close to the Labour Party and served as Chairman of the Royal Institute of International Affairs, now known as Chatham House.
In 1972, he lectured on the consequences of Britain's entry in the European Community in the BBC's Reith Lectures.[2] He was knighted in 1978.[3]

S08: The RIIA was the UK's version of the Council on Foreign Relations

Lord Stonham
He left the Commons in August 1958, when he was made a life peer as Baron Stonham, of Earl Stonham in the County of Suffolk. In Harold Wilson's Labour Government 1964-1970, he served as a junior minister at the Home Office from 1964 to 1967, and as Minister of State in the Home Office until 1969.

Kenneth Robinson

He was also campaigner for homosexual law reform and a member of the Homosexual Law Reform Society's executive committee. In June 1960, he introduced the first full-scale Commons debate on the Wolfenden Report's proposals to end the law which criminalised consenting sex between men in private.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Robinson#Opposed_Scientology_in_1960s :fawked:
Sued the ass off the CoS!!!

John Gagnon
Ideas and contribution

Gagnon is seen as the founder of a distinctly sociological approach to human sexuality.[by whom?] Michael Kimmel has called it 'revolutionary' and in a book devoted to articles inspired by the work of Gagnon, he claims that the book Sexual Conduct (1973) 'heralded the new paradigm from which all subsequent readings of sexuality in the social science and humanities have sprung' (Kimmel, 2007:pix). Gayle Rubin has also commented that Gagnon and Simon ’virtually reinvented sex research as social science’ (Rubin, 2002: 28). Often linked to symbolic interactionism, but also tempered with Durkheim, his work has inspired and shaped a whole field variously called ‘the constructionist approach to sexuality’ Social constructionism or ‘critical sexualities studies’. His ideas may also be seen as a precursor of ‘queer theory’ Queer theory. He has briefly summarized his own work thus: (1) Sexual conduct is entirely historically and culturally determined; (2) the meaning of conduct does not reside in a reading of the bodily activity of individuals; (3) sexual science is historically and culturally determined in equal measure ;(4) sexuality is acquired, maintained, and unlearned in all of its aspects and is organized by social structure and culture, and (5) gender and sexuality are both learned forms of conduct and are linked differently in different cultures. (Interpretation of Desire 2004 p136).

S08: There is something around this that creeps me out. My 'Spidey Sense' is twanging like a twanging thing... that there was some sort of murky connection with some of the FMSF / pedo-friendly academics associated with Prometheus books.
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Postby guruilla » Sat Mar 29, 2014 11:13 pm

Searcher08 » Sat Mar 29, 2014 8:11 pm wrote:S08: Astor reads like a very decent guy

One of the most intriguing aspects of Astor’s career, usually ignored, is that he served with the covert military intelligence force, the Special Operations Executive (SOE), during the war and thereafter maintained close links with British intelligence.
http://www.orwellsociety.com/2012/02/08 ... 93-and-me/

Going as far back as 1945, George Orwell no less became a war correspondent for the Observer -- probably as a cover for intelligence work. Significantly most of the men he met in Paris on his assignment, Freddie Ayer, Malcolm Muggeridge, Ernest Hemingway were either working for the intelligence services or had close links to them. Stephen Dorril, in his seminal history of MI6, reports that Orwell attended a meeting in Paris of resistance fighters on behalf of David Astor, his editor at the Observer and leader of the intelligence service’s unit liasing with the French resistance.
It is a lot easier to fool people than show them how they have been fooled.
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Re: P.I.E. and Magpie docs

Postby Searcher08 » Sun Mar 30, 2014 7:03 am

Astor was an interesting guy, heavily influenced by a German anti-fascist man who was later executed for being actively involved in the Hitler assassination.

My take-away from the above research is that there was a major effort, near the Labour to push a multi-channel (academic / political / media) to push a pedo agenda slipstreamed in as part of the nascent gay rights movement.

Finding a connection with the Chatham House think tank was a WTF moment. They are extremely significant players.
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