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zangtang » Tue Oct 28, 2014 11:01 pm wrote:wheres the dendrochronologists when you need them?
actually managed to get 2/3rds of the way through Velikovsky's ages in chaos mmmn, 2 decades ago now, or so it seems (!!!)
- hope i dont have to plough thru that again - Jeeez, hard work....tho i think a global re-evaluation of Velikovsky could do us all good......
never did find, or evan see a copy of, 'mankind in amnesia'.......
think i've got the archive bookmarked on a previous hard drive somewhere - so much to do, so little time......
we really should form a floating freelance research institute and sell ourselves to the highest bidder whoops off topic
zangtang » Wed Oct 29, 2014 8:07 am wrote:many thanks for those - if i disappear for a month i'm truffling around the varchive!
your comment on 'Velikovsky's error' is ........is damning, and sounds pretty terminal - is there some concensus (amongst aficionados et al) on this,
or ist your personal take on what for me are frustratingly shifting sands?
sounds like an error fundamental enough to invalidate an entire body of work? -pretty catastrophic itself!
I have only just (no moren a month ago) got self 'earth in upheaval' - alas it is playing 2nd fiddle to Wilcock's 'source field investigations', about which much excitement (for me)
so, permission to slap self on back for intuiting that dendrochronology should be the tool (or 1st amongst equals) for herding these various anomalous timeline cats into a cohesive whole (HA!) ?
assuming, as i do, (and being unlearned in that branch (on fire man, on fire!) that you have reference points that serve as resolute & undeniable anchors on which to hang everything else ??
finally, you humbly make mere mention of your own alternate timeline?
.......pray, do tell more......one is somewhat agog!
82_28 » Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:36 am wrote:Holy shit! That's quite a site and body of work/research you have there and that I was unaware of. Don't even know where to begin other than the above link I just read.
Edit: Ah, I get where you get your handle from after seeing your Baltimore category. My friend who I write with helped to compile:
http://monumentcity.net/baltimore-monuments/
I've never met the dude that runs the site now as my friend who took part in it now lives in Canada and of course I am in the PNW. Perhaps all y'all know each other?
zangtang » Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:53 am wrote:just lost my 4th post in 3 days or so using the quick reply.harrumph!
recap:
thanks for that, your site bookmarked - work of a lifetime, core weighty stuff....cheers, mate! - theres another 6 months all shot to hell !!
- still, wouldnt want to die ignorant now, would we?
I do hope king Arthur doesnt turn out to be stolen lock stock form the Croatians or Latvians? - how could our cultural manhood survive !
Lord Balto » Tue Oct 28, 2014 11:42 pm wrote:zangtang » Tue Oct 28, 2014 11:01 pm wrote:wheres the dendrochronologists when you need them?
actually managed to get 2/3rds of the way through Velikovsky's ages in chaos mmmn, 2 decades ago now, or so it seems (!!!)
- hope i dont have to plough thru that again - Jeeez, hard work....tho i think a global re-evaluation of Velikovsky could do us all good......
never did find, or evan see a copy of, 'mankind in amnesia'.......
think i've got the archive bookmarked on a previous hard drive somewhere - so much to do, so little time......
we really should form a floating freelance research institute and sell ourselves to the highest bidder whoops off topic
Yes, dendrochronology does in fact destroy most of these alternate timeline theories, except, of course, my own, which is based on dendrochronology and other catastrophic events.
I do have a copy of Mankind in Amnesia, for what it's worth.
And Velikovsky's long awaited second volume of Worlds in Collision is available online at Jan Sammer's website. You can keep up with a lot that is happening in the world of catastrophe theory at the Atlantipedia website of Tony O’Connell.
I should point out that Velikovsky's error was not understanding that the signs of the solar zodiac began to be associated at some point in the development of ancient astrology with the seven "planets" (the sun, the moon, and the five visible planets). What may have happened is that a particular event occurred when the sun was in a particular sign of the zodiac at the vernal equinox and was therefore associated with the planet associated with that constellation. It is also possible that the comet was in that constellation when the event occurred. In either case, the actual planet had nothing to do with the catastrophe beyond a purely symbolic connection.
lucky » Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:33 am wrote:His - story not His -truth or His -facts.
Lord Balto » Wed Oct 29, 2014 2:17 pm wrote:zangtang » Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:53 am wrote:just lost my 4th post in 3 days or so using the quick reply.harrumph!
recap:
thanks for that, your site bookmarked - work of a lifetime, core weighty stuff....cheers, mate! - theres another 6 months all shot to hell !!
- still, wouldnt want to die ignorant now, would we?
I do hope king Arthur doesnt turn out to be stolen lock stock form the Croatians or Latvians? - how could our cultural manhood survive !
There is some theory about that floating around but, as far as I can see, Arthur was quite real and quite Breton if not British. After all, the Saxons went to the trouble of excising 28 years from the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle to cover their humiliation at his hands. Of course, there's a fairly think mystical overlay to the history, which could have come from anywhere. The twelve signs of the zodiac, one of which is a virgin, arrayed around a round table and headed by an incarnation of the Sun God is fairly universal. Avalon even turns out to be a town (Avallon) in France.
Lord Balto » Wed Mar 18, 2015 11:48 am wrote:lucky » Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:33 am wrote:His - story not His -truth or His -facts.
I sometimes suspect that some people actually think that history means "his story." It does not. From Merriam Webster:
"Latin historia from Greek, inquiry, history, from histor, istor, knowing, learned, akin to Greek eidenai to know ...."
The Online Etymology Dictionary wrote:story (n.1)
"connected account or narration of some happening," c.1200, originally "narrative of important events or celebrated persons of the past," from Old French estorie, estoire "story, chronicle, history," from Late Latin storia, shortened from Latin historia "history, account, tale, story" (see history). Meaning "recital of true events" first recorded late 14c.; sense of "narrative of fictitious events meant to entertain" is from c.1500. Not differentiated from history till 1500s.
history (n.)
late 14c., "relation of incidents" (true or false), from Old French estoire, estorie "chronicle, history, story" (12c., Modern French histoire), from Latin historia "narrative of past events, account, tale, story," from Greek historia "a learning or knowing by inquiry; an account of one's inquiries, history, record, narrative," from historein "inquire," from histor "wise man, judge," from PIE *wid-tor-, from root *weid- "to know," literally "to see" (see vision).
Related to Greek idein "to see," and to eidenai "to know." In Middle English, not differentiated from story; sense of "record of past events" probably first attested late 15c.
Joao » Wed Mar 18, 2015 8:18 pm wrote:Lord Balto » Wed Mar 18, 2015 11:48 am wrote:lucky » Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:33 am wrote:His - story not His -truth or His -facts.
I sometimes suspect that some people actually think that history means "his story." It does not. From Merriam Webster:
"Latin historia from Greek, inquiry, history, from histor, istor, knowing, learned, akin to Greek eidenai to know ...."
Your larger point about folk etymology stands, and I suspect lucky was being glib anyway, but for the record, story and history derive from the same root and (reportedly) weren't even distinguished until 500 years ago:The Online Etymology Dictionary wrote:story (n.1)
"connected account or narration of some happening," c.1200, originally "narrative of important events or celebrated persons of the past," from Old French estorie, estoire "story, chronicle, history," from Late Latin storia, shortened from Latin historia "history, account, tale, story" (see history). Meaning "recital of true events" first recorded late 14c.; sense of "narrative of fictitious events meant to entertain" is from c.1500. Not differentiated from history till 1500s.
history (n.)
late 14c., "relation of incidents" (true or false), from Old French estoire, estorie "chronicle, history, story" (12c., Modern French histoire), from Latin historia "narrative of past events, account, tale, story," from Greek historia "a learning or knowing by inquiry; an account of one's inquiries, history, record, narrative," from historein "inquire," from histor "wise man, judge," from PIE *wid-tor-, from root *weid- "to know," literally "to see" (see vision).
Related to Greek idein "to see," and to eidenai "to know." In Middle English, not differentiated from story; sense of "record of past events" probably first attested late 15c.
(cf. contemporary French "histoire", which to my knowledge still retains both meanings)
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