Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

[Nordic]

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/02/ ... gnore.html

Six Live Cremations the West Wants You to Ignore

[Nordic]

The "burning" of the Jordanian pilot debunked.

http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=df2_1423081561

This is actually good.

What's especially galling is the fact, which I'm almost embarrassed not to have noticed, that the "cage" is just sitting there. It clearly is something that any able bodied man would be able to lift up and squeeze under. Especially if the alternative was immolation.

I didn't notice the dummy falling apart in the fire either.

Dopey me.

I did notice the first fire effect being an effect. That was so clear I didn't even think about it. It's obviously a transitional affect. But it's also a clear hint: that flames in a video aren't necessarily real and can be added at will.

More silliness from ISIS Studios.

[Elvis]

I didn't notice the dummy falling apart in the fire either.

When I was in the dummy business we shipped quite a few to places like 'The Farm', Camp Belvoire etc. Just sayin'.

To paraphrase another thread title,
"This war is great, everyone's buying mannequins."

[Nordic]

What's weird to me is how eager people seem to be to believe these things.

Why is that?

I know the Psyops masters are way way ahead of us, that is clear considering how they took off almost 100 years ago through Edward Bernay's work, but it's tough for me at least to figure out why this is.
Why do we seem to WANT to believe in an evil, foreign Boogeyman?

Is it intrinsic to our nature?

Is like the modern version of Grimm's fairytales?

WHY don't people automatically stop and go "wait a minute, what if this shit is faked?"

Most people don't. It doesn't even cross their minds!

[8bitagent]

As I mentioned "ISIS" or whatever is behind the Islamic State phenomenon is going overboard with editing like a nerd having fresh access to a media college's A/V room.

But I can't help but question the questions: Why would a group noone is denying has beheaded, tortured and killed so many people "fake" on screen deaths? It doesn't make sense.
I get how world famous chef's have a pre-prepared A and B meal when they appear on morning talk shows...but it's a weird sort of gambit to think these deaths are fake. I mean if they aren't
fake, is there some hidden bunker where all the hostages are still alive?

[Nordic]

As I mentioned "ISIS" or whatever is behind the Islamic State phenomenon is going overboard with editing like a nerd having fresh access to a media college's A/V room.

But I can't help but question the questions: Why would a group noone is denying has beheaded, tortured and killed so many people "fake" on screen deaths? It doesn't make sense.
I get how world famous chef's have a pre-prepared A and B meal when they appear on morning talk shows...but it's a weird sort of gambit to think these deaths are fake. I mean if they aren't
fake, is there some hidden bunker where all the hostages are still alive?

Well that's all part of the mind fuck, right?

Like with 9/11 which was filled with mind fucks.

Has there ever been an actual body retrieved from one of these SITE execution videos?

Was OBL's body ever seen?

If it's true that, as the first witnesses interviewed on the morning said,the planes that hit the towers weren't commercial passenger jets but windowless unmarked planes, then where did the people in the other jets go? Were they killed and buried somewhere? What about the planes themselves? Why was there just a little hole in the ground for flight 93 but small debris scattered everywhere? Where did the plane actually go? And the bodies?

Advanced mindfuckery. Phd level.

Perhaps there are all these weird anomalies because it makes it EASIER TO BELIEVE WHAT THE MEDIA TELLS YOU than it is to contemplate all the very very weird shit that is the reality of these projects.

The path to the lie is the path of least resistance. And the mind, like water or electricity, goes there. And it was designed that way on purpose.

[8bitagent]

As I mentioned "ISIS" or whatever is behind the Islamic State phenomenon is going overboard with editing like a nerd having fresh access to a media college's A/V room.

But I can't help but question the questions: Why would a group noone is denying has beheaded, tortured and killed so many people "fake" on screen deaths? It doesn't make sense.
I get how world famous chef's have a pre-prepared A and B meal when they appear on morning talk shows...but it's a weird sort of gambit to think these deaths are fake. I mean if they aren't
fake, is there some hidden bunker where all the hostages are still alive?

Well that's all part of the mind fuck, right?

Like with 9/11 which was filled with mind fucks.

Has there ever been an actual body retrieved from one of these SITE execution videos?

Was OBL's body ever seen?

If it's true that, as the first witnesses interviewed on the morning said,the planes that hit the towers weren't commercial passenger jets but windowless unmarked planes, then where did the people in the other jets go? Were they killed and buried somewhere? What about the planes themselves? Why was there just a little hole in the ground for flight 93 but small debris scattered everywhere? Where did the plane actually go? And the bodies?

Advanced mindfuckery. Phd level.

Perhaps there are all these weird anomalies because it makes it EASIER TO BELIEVE WHAT THE MEDIA TELLS YOU than it is to contemplate all the very very weird shit that is the reality of these projects.

The path to the lie is the path of least resistance. And the mind, like water or electricity, goes there. And it was designed that way on purpose.

This is why I agree with virtually all of your posts. Because yeah, there is something almost Forean-ly anomalous, as if on purpose(in a wink and nod trickster way) about ALL these events. The bizarre anomalies with 9/11,
the smoke and mirrors with the OKC and 9/11 photos and video, all the weird OBL tape stuff, the smoke and mirrors ISIS releases, etc. I mean no wonder we have the modern hoaxer truthers re: modern mass terrorism/shootings.

I can't explain why all of these things are filled with bizarro artifacts. As if some sort of honeypot from another dimension. I mean my gut wants to believe regardless of the conspiracy I absolutely believe happened wrt 9/11, four planes piloted by brainwashed Saudi wahhabists flew into the towers, pentagon and an empty field and that was that physical wise. My gut tells me these snuff films made by the Islamic State are gruesomely real like the Nick Berg 2004 video.

But I can't explain the anomalies that always seem to be constant...like a wink and a nod.

[Elvis]

My gut tells me these snuff films made by the Islamic State are gruesomely real like the Nick Berg 2004 video.

As I recall, the Nick Berg video was extremely suspect itself. The consensus was that he was already dead when they decapitated his body. Also, "the CIA claimed Berg was personally murdered by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi" (wikipedia), and we know that Zarqawi was a PR bogeyman hyped by the Pentagon, since they were running out of "top Bin Laden lieutenants" to hunt down. That whole "Al Qaeda in Iraq" was mostly a ridiculous charade. (Are they just getting better at it now?) Adding to the very dodgy video ("released on the internet, reportedly from London") were Berg's almost unbelievably coincidental connections to Zacarias Moussaoiu, David Boren, et al., and his strange detention in Iraq by the FBI right before he was, we are told, kidnapped and killed.

So I wouldn't be to quick to stamp these latest videos as genuine, especially when it appears to depict a burning mannequin. Comparing them with the Berg affair only further suggests a deception. Whadya think?

[Sounder]

My gut tells me these snuff films made by the Islamic State are gruesomely real like the Nick Berg 2004 video.

You are trying to do NLP on us.

If these vids were ISIS 'propaganda', then wouldn't ISIS be releasing them? Why does SITE release them?

Hmmm, maybe because they are SITE produced propaganda from the get go, and any killing that was faked or actually happened was done by SITE affiliated people.

(And/or ISIS is a SITE affiliated group.)

[Nordic]

Just a thought -- maybe they don't actually kill these people in the videos for a vey simple reason -- in case they get caught.

Like robbing a bank with a fake gun. The penalties are way less severe if the gun is fake.

Or basic liability. Most of the people held in Gitmo are completely innocent but are never released because of the repercussions that would occur if these guys were ever able to freely hire a lawyer.

Where are the alleged victims? Maybe in some dungeon somewhere. Could be anywhere. Bagram, Poland, Uzbekistan ...

[Asta]

Well, the Jordanians believe the video is real enough to justify bombing the hell out of ISIS targets. KABOOM

Perhaps that was the goal.

[Nordic]

The Jordanians have always tried to play along with all sides. With a few blips here and there.

Seriously, they're happy to play along with Washington most of the time. As long as they can work out the terms.

[8bitagent]

Reading about that young American Kayla Mueller, man. The world needs more people like that or the late Rachel Corey. Staggering to read the amount of work Mueller did all over the globe.
ISIS is claiming she died from a Jordanian bombing, no evidence she was there.

Though in whatever sort of bizarre theater is going on, maybe it's best if she died in an aerial bombing given these horror show snuff videos seem to be getting more heinous.

[8bitagent]

My gut tells me these snuff films made by the Islamic State are gruesomely real like the Nick Berg 2004 video.

As I recall, the Nick Berg video was extremely suspect itself. The consensus was that he was already dead when they decapitated his body. Also, "the CIA claimed Berg was personally murdered by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi" (wikipedia), and we know that Zarqawi was a PR bogeyman hyped by the Pentagon, since they were running out of "top Bin Laden lieutenants" to hunt down. That whole "Al Qaeda in Iraq" was mostly a ridiculous charade. (Are they just getting better at it now?) Adding to the very dodgy video ("released on the internet, reportedly from London") were Berg's almost unbelievably coincidental connections to Zacarias Moussaoiu, David Boren, et al., and his strange detention in Iraq by the FBI right before he was, we are told, kidnapped and killed.

So I wouldn't be to quick to stamp these latest videos as genuine, especially when it appears to depict a burning mannequin. Comparing them with the Berg affair only further suggests a deception. Whadya think?

The Nick Berg situation is perhaps the most puzzling story, a literal rabbit hole or rosetta stone, of both 9/11 and the Iraq war. I mean not to mention both Nick Berg and Paul Wellstone's co-pilot who died in the crash both knew Moussaoui and both had software and passwords on Moussoui's laptop the FBI seized before 9/11. Nick Berg was also working in the library when allegedly one of the Flight 93 tickets were purchased, went to the SAME Airman Norman OK flight school as Moussaoui as Moussoui was (allegedly) meeting with a high level Saudi prince and and his wife. Michael Moore did a feature interview for him for what was to be highlight of Fahrenheit 9/11 but was quickly edited out after his apparent death. The communications company Berg worked for in Iraq was suspect and the Berg beheading was the very first of its kind(headline news jihadi snuff film of an American captive) And I definitely remember a list of anomalies people cited with the video itself.

One has to wonder, once ISIS is finally pushed out of Raqqa...will they find a burial site of all these hostages theyve killed? Or is there indeed some truly weird game going on. There's definitely plenty of evidence of mass graves of shot to death/beheaded Iraqi and Syrian soldiers, Kurds and Yazidis found in ditches. So one has to wonder, why would they fake these killings if they are so bloodlusting and crazy. Its not like they could say "aha, surprise theyre all alive...so give us billions of dollars to release them!"

[cptmarginal]

Reading about that young American Kayla Mueller, man. The world needs more people like that or the late Rachel Corey. Staggering to read the amount of work Mueller did all over the globe.
ISIS is claiming she died from a Jordanian bombing, no evidence she was there.

Though in whatever sort of bizarre theater is going on, maybe it's best if she died in an aerial bombing given these horror show snuff videos seem to be getting more heinous.

Yeah

Kenji Goto was pretty remarkable, too:

http://www.japansubculture.com/restinpeacekenjigoto/