False Front: The Left and the “Anti-Imperialist” Right

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Re: False Front: The Left and the “Anti-Imperialist” Right

Postby jakell » Thu Jun 11, 2015 2:52 pm

Searcher08 » Thu Jun 11, 2015 5:43 pm wrote:
Wombaticus Rex » Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:35 pm wrote:
"Confronting Fascism: Discussion Documents for a Militant Movement"


I will be laughing about that for the rest of the day, my god, how perfect.

Yeah, I wonder why your militant movement is having problems with attracting Fascists.


I lost it at a headline up-thread of "Men against Neo-Globalisation", which went into the territory of untoppable self-parody.
There were several weeks without CopyPasta bollox and interminable "Antifa" noise. Previous disruptive service would appear to have re-started. Strangely enough, during this time, the board's natural healthy immune system was able to deal with dickhead posters without a single "Antifa" flag flapping. Funny that. :thumbsup

I concur. I took the opportunity of the changing of the guard to return to the board and yet again attempt to recruit posters to crypto-fascist 'neither right nor left' positions, and was soundly rebuffed.
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Re: False Front: The Left and the “Anti-Imperialist” Right

Postby Searcher08 » Thu Jun 11, 2015 4:36 pm

jakell » Thu Jun 11, 2015 6:52 pm wrote:
Searcher08 » Thu Jun 11, 2015 5:43 pm wrote:
Wombaticus Rex » Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:35 pm wrote:
"Confronting Fascism: Discussion Documents for a Militant Movement"


I will be laughing about that for the rest of the day, my god, how perfect.

Yeah, I wonder why your militant movement is having problems with attracting Fascists.


I lost it at a headline up-thread of "Men against Neo-Globalisation", which went into the territory of untoppable self-parody.
There were several weeks without CopyPasta bollox and interminable "Antifa" noise. Previous disruptive service would appear to have re-started. Strangely enough, during this time, the board's natural healthy immune system was able to deal with dickhead posters without a single "Antifa" flag flapping. Funny that. :thumbsup

I concur. I took the opportunity of the changing of the guard to return to the board and yet again attempt to recruit posters to crypto-fascist 'neither right nor left' positions, and was soundly rebuffed.


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Re: False Front: The Left and the “Anti-Imperialist” Right

Postby Twyla LaSarc » Thu Jun 11, 2015 4:51 pm

seemslikeadream » Thu Jun 11, 2015 6:40 am wrote:personally I am waiting to judge until the whole kersplebedeb blog, in it's entirety, is cut and pasted here so to digest without clicking on the link


I went there. Oops.

Looks like a lot of vague internet pontificating, IMO. I was not able to get any solid handle on their focus. But then they are 'anarchists', I guess, and don't need any steenking focus.

Caveat, I am an anarchist too, albeit old school. I hate how libertarians now think its cool to say they are anarchists and bring all that tacit sexist and racist baggage with them as well as their obtuse theories about 'the working man'. I could tell these priveleged twats what for, I suppose, but real labor as opposed with theory is like dogs and children in front of cameras, there is no real way to tell what will happen.
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Re: False Front: The Left and the “Anti-Imperialist” Right

Postby Sounder » Thu Jun 11, 2015 5:49 pm

it's a small world

tapitsbo, do you think your fellow was the actual kerwhetever, or just a follower?

I don’t read AD’s stuff because it’s best to be able to engage fully with an author. Back when I did a fair bit of reading the sublime only happened when reason was found for close identification with the author.

This never happens with propaganda, because it is written by committee, and has a twisted soul at best.

Unconscious drivers leaves a ‘tell’, find it and let it take them down rather than taking you down.


Whatever the ideology, it’s all the same, people pissing on others while claiming to be bringers of salvation.
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Re: False Front: The Left and the “Anti-Imperialist” Right

Postby tapitsbo » Thu Jun 11, 2015 6:06 pm

Definitely was not kersplebedeb
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Re: False Front: The Left and the “Anti-Imperialist” Right

Postby tapitsbo » Thu Jun 11, 2015 6:10 pm

other curious ideas I've heard from people influenced by this nexus include the notion that women from the muslim world should be relocated on masse "elsewhere" and integrated into the West while the men are left behind to be killed off (!)
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Re: False Front: The Left and the “Anti-Imperialist” Right

Postby American Dream » Fri Jun 12, 2015 3:01 pm

See also:


Varieties of Right-Wing Extremism in Europe
Andrea Mammone, ‎Emmanuel Godin, ‎Brian Jenkins - 2013
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Re: False Front: The Left and the “Anti-Imperialist” Right

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Fri Jun 12, 2015 3:15 pm

An archly entertaining account of this year's Left Forum: http://www.thebaffler.com/blog/flakes-alive/

From a pained fellow traveller, rather than a professional critic.

(Then again...no. That way lies madness.)

It’s quite possible the left is at a pivotal moment in political history: these days, Americans actually like the sound of socialism, and the potential for building a new base is incredibly encouraging. But as much as we should be looking to expand, so, too, must we refine our project. The marginalistas distract, disrupt and deter future comrades. So it’s high time we get a little exclusive: tankies, truthers and tofu may supply a steady stream of battle-tested conference anecdotage, but they’re not going to move us any closer to building a better world.
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Re: False Front: The Left and the “Anti-Imperialist” Right

Postby coffin_dodger » Fri Jun 12, 2015 4:02 pm

Neon said:
OK, the original post bent a lot of stuff around in my head..


Yep, that's the whole point.
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Re: False Front: The Left and the “Anti-Imperialist” Right

Postby Searcher08 » Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:05 pm

Thanks for that, it was a toe-curlingly funny read.
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Wombaticus Rex » Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:15 pm wrote:An archly entertaining account of this year's Left Forum: http://www.thebaffler.com/blog/flakes-alive/

From a pained fellow traveller, rather than a professional critic.

(Then again...no. That way lies madness.)

It’s quite possible the left is at a pivotal moment in political history: these days, Americans actually like the sound of socialism, and the potential for building a new base is incredibly encouraging. But as much as we should be looking to expand, so, too, must we refine our project. The marginalistas distract, disrupt and deter future comrades. So it’s high time we get a little exclusive: tankies, truthers and tofu may supply a steady stream of battle-tested conference anecdotage, but they’re not going to move us any closer to building a better world.
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Re: False Front: The Left and the “Anti-Imperialist” Right

Postby American Dream » Sat Jun 13, 2015 4:47 pm

Meet the Oregon Chapter of the American Freedom Party: Part One
1/12/2014

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AFP members (left to right): Laura Cole, Tyler Cole, Angela Purdy, and Gary Dean Purdy II

The American Freedom Party (AFP) is a nationwide white supremacist organization that markets itself as an upstanding, family-friendly, and nonviolent political party by portraying white people as an oppressed group, and themselves as an advocacy organization similar to the NAACP. However, locally, they have embraced a number of white power veterans with histories of race-based violence and murder, such as Kyle Brewster. Scratch the surface and it is apparent that AFP is a fascist party with an extermination agenda.

AFP uses tactics and rhetoric borrowed from the activist left and libertarian right as part of their work to build a white nationalist political party. AFP is part of a fascist tradition known as Third Positionism. Third Positionism presents itself as a new, ‘third” alternative to both right and left-wing politics by advancing hard-right ideas through adopting and deploying radical left signifiers in ways that confound mainstream expectations for what the right looks like; an example of this is utilizing environmentalist framing to promote neo-Eugenicist policies. However, rather than being a new dimension of political thought, Third Positionism actually harkens back to the very origins of fascism--in Mussolini’s Italy, populist trappings were paradoxically used to crush the working class.

The American Freedom Party models itself after large, contemporary European fascist parties such as Golden Dawn in an attempt to build similar broad bases of support. Part of that strategy is creating an activist wing called Free America Rally (FAR). FAR and AFP have built momentum locally by doing low risk, short duration forms of activism that they then document. They are efficient propagandists and have created a wealth of online videos and photos to promote their organization from these frequent, short events. Their recent ventures into Portland show that they are emboldened by their successes in the surrounding suburban and rural areas. AFP's primary target audience is Ron Paul libertarians and racist paleoconservatives. The local branch of American Freedom Party has, however, attempted to make inroads at liberal left events such as at an anti-war rally in Portland. This tactic has precedent--both the anti-globalization and Occupy movements were used as recruiting grounds by the racist right. Racist groups incorporated these movements’ populist messages into their own propaganda, added a hefty dose of anti-semitism, and produced distorted fairy-stories about a dwindling and oppressed white race.

Antifascists must crush AFP now before they are able to grow stronger. There are many ways that AFP can and should be confronted here in Portland. As militant Antifascists, we believe in taking the fight to them, which means not waiting to pounce on them when they have events. While they certainly should be confronted at their events, we believe that this strategy is insufficient for damaging and halting their organizing. Waiting until AFP stages demonstrations affords them control of the timeline and opportunities to prepare for confrontation. We therefore believe that other strategies need to be used in tandem with counter-demonstrations: specifically, that they should be deprived of income and peace of mind at all times until they capitulate.

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The man on the left is Tyler Cole; the man on the right is wearing the Totenkopf (Death’s Head) on his shirt, an SS Nazi symbol.

How It Began : The Short Con

The groundwork for the American Freedom Party was laid in May of 2009 by a Southern Californian racist street gang called Freedom 14. The number “14” is used widely by white supremacists as it refers to the fourteen words, "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White Children," a phrase originally coined by the late white supremacist and author, David Lane. Freedom 14's initial attempt at forming a popular political party for white nationalists was called the Golden State Party (GSP). According to their old Facebook page, GSP stated that they were “a political protest-party” whose goal was “to win political representation for European-Americans." Merely four months after its inception, in September of 2009 the Golden State Party fell apart when it came to light that their chairperson, Tyler Billington Cole, had been using aliases such as “Eugene Cameron” and “Tim Robbins” to conceal his criminal past. Cole had served a 5 year sentence in Arizona for a felony conviction of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon in 2001. He was also convicted in 2008 of possessing an illegal machete in California.

Continues at: http://rosecityantifa.weebly.com/home/m ... y-part-one



American Dream » Thu Jun 11, 2015 6:59 am wrote: http://blackcatnotes.com/2015/06/09/why ... rganizing/

]Why We Fight I: What Is the Real Threat of Fascist Organizing?

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The numbers quickly broke three hundred as the Rose City Antifa called for an action to stop the White Man’s March in the spring of 2014. Under the now common banner of taglines like “Anti-Racism is a Code Word for Anti-White” and “Stop White Genocide,” the White Man’s March was a poorly constructed idea for white nationalists to rally around. The event was pushed by members of the American Freedom Party in Portland, though as the counter-protester’s numbers swelled it became clear that the far right had skipped town.
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Re: False Front: The Left and the “Anti-Imperialist” Right

Postby jakell » Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:16 am

From the above article.

...Antifascists must crush AFP now before they are able to grow stronger. There are many ways that AFP can and should be confronted here in Portland. As militant Antifascists, we believe in taking the fight to them, which means not waiting to pounce on them when they have events. While they certainly should be confronted at their events, we believe that this strategy is insufficient for damaging and halting their organizing. Waiting until AFP stages demonstrations affords them control of the timeline and opportunities to prepare for confrontation. We therefore believe that other strategies need to be used in tandem with counter-demonstrations: specifically, that they should be deprived of income and peace of mind at all times until they capitulate.


In other words 'these folks are saying stuff we don't like and, even if they behave themselves, they must be crushed'. Notice that the last doesn't really apply to militancy, but individuals and families going peaceably (that word got slipped in there) about their business.

Does anyone not find this sort of thing even a little bit worrying?


ETA: What exactly would this capitulation comprise of, how would such a thing be measured seeing as it is a condition of not being targeted?
ETA2: Those children have now acquired blobs over their faces (didn't notice 'em before). Will this dehumanisation make it easier to crush them I wonder?
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Re: False Front: The Left and the “Anti-Imperialist” Right

Postby Searcher08 » Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:21 am

jakell » Sun Jun 14, 2015 9:16 am wrote:From the above article.

...Antifascists must crush AFP now before they are able to grow stronger. There are many ways that AFP can and should be confronted here in Portland. As militant Antifascists, we believe in taking the fight to them, which means not waiting to pounce on them when they have events. While they certainly should be confronted at their events, we believe that this strategy is insufficient for damaging and halting their organizing. Waiting until AFP stages demonstrations affords them control of the timeline and opportunities to prepare for confrontation. We therefore believe that other strategies need to be used in tandem with counter-demonstrations: specifically, that they should be deprived of income and peace of mind at all times until they capitulate.


In other words 'these folks are saying stuff we don't like and, even if they behave themselves, they must be crushed'. Notice that the last doesn't really apply to militancy, but individuals and families going peaceably (that word got slipped in there) about their business.

Does anyone not find this sort of thing even a little bit worrying?


ETA: What exactly would this capitulation comprise of, how would such a thing be measured seeing as it is a condition of not being targeted?
ETA2: Those children have now acquired blobs over their faces (didn't notice 'em before). Will this dehumanisation make it easier to crush them I wonder?


You left out the "AD Get out" clause. Nowhere here does he offer his own opinion, and can merely say,
"I was posting this for interest.., where did I say I agree with it?"

Surely this sort of material (and this board) could be open to being prosecuted under Canada's new and draconian hate speech laws, as this is getting into publishing material calling for violent actions against people? It sounds like a call for gangstalking.

I totally reject this. It is vile and deserves to be called out as such. IMO it has no place at R.I.
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Re: False Front: The Left and the “Anti-Imperialist” Right

Postby jakell » Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:37 am

I've got into the habit of reminding myself that the vast majority of AD's output is C&P's, so I take that above caveat as read, other folks might occasionally overlook this though. It has occurred to me that the tone of that piece, and the bit I quoted, goes a bit beyond our own (British) 'militant antifascist' statements of intent, even though they often 'inadvertently' do this sort of thing. I would be a little concerned if I heard it over here.

On a slightly different note, I've just visited the Fire Pit to retrieve some of my old responses to the now familiar " So, you support this ideology/person/organisation etc?" in case that line of questioning turns up once more. I now prefer to quote my old responses rather than keep coming up with fresh ones. I noticed that your 'Hurt Cats' thread had (unjustifiably) ended up in there after only two posts and enjoyed having a reread of it.
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Re: False Front: The Left and the “Anti-Imperialist” Right

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sun Jun 14, 2015 10:34 am

There is so much lynch-the-bankers rhetoric on RI it would impossible to enforce that.

As Jakell points, out, there's also a whole universe of second-order, quoted material that goes light years beyond that. We have investigated genocides and ideologies aplenty, and quoted a hundred thousand thinkers who are far beyond the pale of acceptable discourse. And that's all called "research."

My apologies to those of you who live under Harper, but I'm moderating this board from a country with dumb but very admirable and open laws about political speech. If you're honestly concerned that visiting RI might make you subject to prosecution, take steps.

Edit: I would like to emphasize that my core objection to this is not "ha, you're Canadian," but "the amount of work it would take to sanitize the content here amounts to a full-time job for the rest of my life."
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