The Force Awakens

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Re: The Force Awakens

Postby General Patton » Mon Oct 19, 2015 8:41 pm

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/co ... star-wars/
Let me start by saying that I realize that the discussion about the “Boycott Star Wars VII” hashtag is the equivalent of swatting a fly with a Star Destroyer. We are feeding the trolls.

A minuscule handful of idiots on Twitter decided to try to get “#BoycottStarWarsVII” trending, on the grounds that the movie somehow promotes “White Genocide” and objecting to the fact that the lead, John Boyega, is black.

This is so patently inane that it would probably have died on its own, had it not been for everyone swooping in to express their indignation that such a hashtag would exist at all. The whole of Twitter is getting in on it. If there is one thing Twitter loves, it is a chance to show that We love Star Wars and hate racism. So it’s the number-one trending hashtag on Twitter, at time of writing.


p.s. Darth Traya is the best Star Wars villain.

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Re: The Force Awakens

Postby zangtang » Mon Oct 19, 2015 8:50 pm

i'm ploughing thru trailers to get to Crimson Peak....so i've seen this :

http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/inde ... pocalypse/

& that's what i call essential voewing !

- 'the assasin' looks pretty crouching daggers,13 flying jade tigers too.
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Re: The Force Awakens

Postby 82_28 » Mon Oct 19, 2015 10:27 pm

I saw it. I guess just the anticipation for it made it good but the trailer kinda sucked. How can a Star Wars fan miss it in the first place?
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Re: The Force Awakens

Postby Nordic » Tue Oct 20, 2015 12:17 am

Saw it. Extremely underwhelming. And my expectations were pretty low to begin with.

It looks like, well, one of those Star Trek movies. Only with the SW characters.
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Re: The Force Awakens

Postby 82_28 » Tue Oct 20, 2015 4:18 am

"Star Wars" fans overwhelmed online ticket sellers Monday as the new "Force Awakens" trailer gave them their best look yet at Han Solo, Princess Leia, and new characters like Daisy Ridley's Rey.

The tickets were initially expected to go one sale after the trailer for the new "Force Awakens" film played at half time of Monday Night Football.

However, some fans noticed on social media that sites like Fandango were selling tickets beforehand.

Others noted that Fandango had crashed roughly a few minutes into Monday Night's NFL game.

"I feel a disturbance in the Fandango," tweeted "Tonight Show" producer Gavin Purcell.


http://money.cnn.com/2015/10/19/media/s ... index.html

I tried to get some of these "beforehand tickets" last night. Obviously, I didn't. Talk about what you want in this thread, but I basically started it to "explore" why this stupid shit persists so. Trying to scale history and time with a single pivot point was what I was going after as I too am a victim.
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Re: The Force Awakens

Postby 82_28 » Tue Oct 20, 2015 4:21 am

And I don't mean victim victim. I doubt anybody doubted that, but just to be clear.
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Re: The Force Awakens

Postby brekin » Thu Oct 22, 2015 1:56 pm

I watched the official trailer and was completely bored. This doesn't bode well for the movie if the teaser isn't even compelling. I even googled it a few times to watch again because I thought I was watching another dashed-together sneak peak one. The trailer could be about any movie and weirdly doesn't seem to capitalize on the original stars and when they are shown, it is anti-climatic. Han Solo hard pitching the original movies still wearing his original vest and hair cut is just sad. They've made him look like a member of a tribute band of his own original band. Why not have him sporting a beard and a more dignified cape after all these years? It's like he's been put on ice again for all the little jabba the fanboys amusement.

It would be great if one of the new films could capture some of that old time magic. But it just all seems now too big to not fail. I was wondering, though, if this was all in the cards from day one? That the regressive nature of the original three films that made them (most of them) so enchanting and intriguing has continued on its trajectory to complete infantilism? I mean, I always thought that the new films were aberrations that fucked up the original recipe, but I wonder if this is where it was all headed from the beginning. Consider...

What people sometimes forget about the first Star Wars was that when it hit theaters, in 1977, it was startling not just for its revolutionary special effects but also for its unabashed sense of fun. After 10 years of haunted, pessimistic, even nihilistic hits such as Bonnie and Clyde, Easy Rider, The French Connection, The Godfather, Chinatown, One Flew over the Cuckoo’s Nest, Network, and Taxi Driver—films in which more often than not the heroes, such as they were, ended up compromised, defeated, or dead—there was something radical about a movie where the good guys win an unambiguous, bell-ringing victory, and receive medals in the final scene to boot. As Time put it in a big 1977 feature about Lucas and Star Wars, “It was a weird idea to make a movie whose only purpose was to give pleasure.” According to the magazine, Lucas’s skeptical peers had urged him to make “a deep picture, one that had meaning, significance and recondite symbolism.” Ha-ha, those film snobs. But, ironically, as Lucas over the years grew to take his saga and perhaps himself more seriously—people have written book after book exploring his really pretty simple ideas about good and evil, mythology, archetypes, and blah blah blah—“recondite” is where he ended up; what was organic and maybe even intuitive in the first film was increasingly foregrounded, skeleton turned into exoskeleton.

http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/201 ... fair-cover

“It was a weird idea to make a movie whose only purpose was to give pleasure.” It does seem weird in a sense, almost like a form of pornography or propaganda. And the depth of emotional engagement and pathos in the original ones are like Hamlet compared to the new ones. It seems delivering that simple pleasure has gotten increasingly more moronic and base through more complex effects and convoluted story lines that seems only to leave the human element out in the cold.
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Re: The Force Awakens

Postby Joao » Thu Oct 22, 2015 2:46 pm

Thought provoking, Brekin, but I think that Vanity Fair piece is more than a little rose-tinted in finding that Star Wars was the first movie "whose only purpose was to give pleasure." That's laughable Hollywood circlejerk.

I've been excited for TFA too, but was also underwhelmed by the trailer. Looks like just another comic book movie. Anyway, have you tried watching the original films lately? They had a very immersive world and some great music, but are otherwise almost insufferably juvenile. They were a lot of fun but now it's over.
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Re: The Force Awakens

Postby semper occultus » Thu Oct 22, 2015 3:19 pm

....I was just discussing with someone the other day the slightly over-done fashion in films of that post-60's era for downbeat - not to say outright terminal - film endings to be inflicted on the main ( invariably anti-hero ) characters......( it's a good pub game to start listing them...I'll start you off with Spoiler:Midnight Cowboy )

....something of a boiler-plate stamp-mark to say - hey folks - this is serious stuff...asking all the big questions...with a big beating philosophical heart at the centre of it ....and a differentiator from the popcorn fluff that ofcourse existed along side it ....

....its a jolly good dramatic device lets face it...( Thelma & Louise etc ) but maybe these days they're too concerned about messing up a sequel if they get a big hit ....

....would I rather watch one of those films than a post-Lucas block-buster designed to shift plastic toys....?

..er - yes ...
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Re: The Force Awakens

Postby brekin » Thu Oct 22, 2015 4:46 pm

Joao » Thu Oct 22, 2015 1:46 pm wrote:Thought provoking, Brekin, but I think that Vanity Fair piece is more than a little rose-tinted in finding that Star Wars was the first movie "whose only purpose was to give pleasure." That's laughable Hollywood circlejerk.

I've been excited for TFA too, but was also underwhelmed by the trailer. Looks like just another comic book movie. Anyway, have you tried watching the original films lately? They had a very immersive world and some great music, but are otherwise almost insufferably juvenile. They were a lot of fun but now it's over.


Yeah, I have to agree mostly. Lucas (& Speilberg and many other of their contemporaries) were hugely influenced by the serials of the 30's-50's Lone Ranger type of pure hero smalt that was rampant. Star Wars has that legacy through and through. It just seems that when you look at huge films that did well before Star Wars they had much more depth. I'm thinking of It's A Wonderful Life into the 70's but I'm sure there are other Oscar winning films in there just as childish I'm not thinking of.

I haven't watched the original films in a little bit. I do remember the the first one and one of the last two still held up pretty well when I last saw them. I kind of wonder if the fun is over with them because the rest of the story didn't mature though? You look at LOTR and it began with a story about a Hobbit and becomes Axis vs. Allies. The innocence and simplicity of Bilbo works in the beginning and I feel it does with Luke Skywalker for the trilogy- but the new Star Wars never seems to move beyond effects fetishism.

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Re: The Force Awakens

Postby Joao » Thu Oct 22, 2015 6:38 pm

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Wizard of Oz was nominated for Best Picture in 1939, FWIW. (I wonder who was responsible for Hollywood propaganda in those pre-National Security Act days...)

And just for the record--I'm not too good for Star Wars. I sometimes read the originaltrilogy.com forums when very bored. :) What can I say--I'm low-brow with pretensions at medium-brow.
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Re: The Force Awakens

Postby Nordic » Thu Oct 22, 2015 7:38 pm

Watching the trailer, I seriously thought at first that the two leads were just extras because they sure don't seem to have that movie-star thing that makes you want to watch them. They don't even look like actors, really. Weird why they would have cast such non-charismatic people in one of the most anticipated movies of all time. They could have the very best, true up and coming stars, and these people are so -- "meh".

I don't get it.
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Re: The Force Awakens

Postby Elvis » Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:12 pm

Just watched the trailer. I smiled. Looks PG..."pretty good." Myself I kind of like the relatively plain-looking actors for this; I weary of all the "beautiful" people in movies.

I think that's why the recent On the Road movie failed: they cast these very pretty young men and women who you'd expect to see in fashion magazines but who are about as Beat as Beaver Cleaver. They needed Eddie but picked Wally. (Anyone not familiar with Leave It to Beaver should go on over to YouTube and check it out.)

Anyway, when is the big day? 82, let's get a plan operational. I'm slowing working on a voice-changer for my Supreme Edition™ Darth Vader Helmet. I'll take it off when the movie starts, of course, both for the people behind me and the fact that you can't see a blasted thing with that thing on.
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Re: The Force Awakens

Postby Elvis » Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:37 pm

Wait. We can't go. Star Wars The Force Awakens is racist.


Internet trolls call new 'Star Wars' movie 'anti-white'
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By Brandon Griggs, CNN

Updated 8:48 AM ET, Wed October 21, 2015 | Video Source: CNN

(CNN)The haters of the Internet have never met a target they couldn't denounce. Even "Star Wars."

While much of the world watches and rewatches the new "Star Wars: The Force Awakens" trailer for clues about the eagerly anticipated movie, a small minority of people have attacked the film's ethnically diverse casting as "anti-white."

"#BoycottStarWarsVII because it is anti-white propaganda promoting #whitegenocide," read a tweet Monday from an account called End Cultural Marxism. The same Twitter user also called J.J. Abrams, the movie's director, a "Jewish activist" and "an anti-white nut."

Another Twitter user called for a boycott of the movie "because it's nothing more than a social justice propaganda piece that alienates it's (sic) core audience of young white males."

A flurry of racist tweets included the #BoycottStarWarsVII hashtag, and someone on Monday even set up a @BoycottStarWarsVII Twitter account, although it only had 176 followers Tuesday afternoon.

"Star Wars: The Force Awakens" features new heroic lead characters -- played by Daisy Ridley, John Boyega and Oscar Isaac -- alongside some familiar faces from the original trilogy. Boyega is black, while Isaac has Guatemalan and Cuban ancestry.

It didn't take long for the trolls on social media to be drowned out by hordes of people mocking them while coming to the defense of the cast and the movie.


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Re: The Force Awakens

Postby BrandonD » Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:46 pm

The soundtrack was a very huge part of the original Star Wars movies. A person should try watching them with different music playing in the background, and see if they feel that same sense of awe.
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