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Bankers it is Immoral to fund war

Postby Elihu » Tue Dec 08, 2015 8:17 pm

http://www.kitco.com/news/2015-12-08/Ba ... Rates.html

Poloz’s comments about possible negative interest rates also come less than a week after the European Central Bank cut its deposit rate by 10 basis points, bringing it down to negative 0.30% from 0.20%.

Poloz added that the Bank of Canada is also monitoring Switzerland’s monetary policy, which includes a negative rate of 0.75%.
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Re: Bankers it is Immoral to fund war

Postby Elvis » Tue Dec 08, 2015 8:20 pm

Elihu wrote:Bank of Canada is also monitoring Switzerland’s monetary policy, which includes a negative rate of 0.75%.



How the hell does a negative interest rate work? :starz:
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Re: Bankers it is Immoral to fund war

Postby zangtang » Tue Dec 08, 2015 8:25 pm

the bank charges you for looking after your money, in the belief i think, that you will lose it if you put it anywhere else.
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Re: Bankers it is Immoral to fund war

Postby Elihu » Tue Dec 08, 2015 8:26 pm

Elvis wrote:
Elihu wrote:Bank of Canada is also monitoring Switzerland’s monetary policy, which includes a negative rate of 0.75%.



How the hell does a negative interest rate work? :starz:

i don't know. but I am pretty sure it is going to engulf the world.
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Re: Bankers it is Immoral to fund war

Postby slomo » Tue Dec 08, 2015 8:56 pm

zangtang » 08 Dec 2015 16:25 wrote:the bank charges you for looking after your money, in the belief i think, that you will lose it if you put it anywhere else.

Yes exactly. On paper it isn't called a negative interest rate, it's often called a management fee.
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Re: Bankers it is Immoral to fund war

Postby Elvis » Tue Dec 08, 2015 9:23 pm

I still don't get it. A bank loans you money and you pay interest on the outstanding principal. If the interest rate is a negative number, then the bank should pay you interest to borrow the money. Right? This is why I didn't become an economist.
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Re: Bankers it is Immoral to fund war

Postby backtoiam » Tue Dec 08, 2015 10:57 pm

This has been coming down the pipe for a while and seemed inevitable at least a couple of years ago. This is the beginning of a long slow strangle. When you consider the fact that the biggest banking concerns literally get their money for free you have wonder what the end game is.

One angle is weaken the population economically so that they will become even more subservient and have no choice not to be. Another angle might be the slow process of switching to a more all digital currency system and offering incentives to people who have no expectations being able to go to the bank and get their cash so that people will want to stop using cash. The more digital the money system is the more control there is. The people at the very top of the banking pyramid really have no need to steal money so I am figuring this a control issue. How that will play out I don't know.

I think the end game is to be able to go more digital cash, implement laws such as mandatory withdrawls for "services rendered" such as Obamacare, etc....no cash no control.
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Re: Bankers it is Immoral to fund war

Postby Elihu » Thu Dec 17, 2015 8:22 pm

How the hell does a negative interest rate work?


http://feketeresearch.com/upload/Second ... r-2015.pdf

Switzerland as a role model for what’s coming to the rest of the World?
Ludwig Karl, Switzerland.

As per 15th of January 2015, the Swiss National Bank removed the currency peg it had held at Swiss franc
1.20/euro 1.00 since the end of 2011. In order to stop a massive inflow of capital it lowered interest rates to
–0.75%, or so it thought. Directly after the announcement the euro went down to around 0.80 francs. In the
meantime it has stabilised around roughly parity.

The author of this article will focus less on the currency markets – as the movements are there for everyone to
see – but more on the subtle consequences of negative interest rates in Switzerland.

1. Capital inflows to Switzerland despite negative interest rates.

Capital inflows into Switzerland have not stopped. There is still a massive demand for Swiss francs. The signal
to the market that there is no cap on the Swiss Franc anymore led to market participants speculating heavily on
further appreciations of the Swiss franc. The cost of -0.75% in negative interest rates has not stopped capital
inflows which lead to an:

2. Ongoing intervention of the Swiss National Bank to devalue the Swiss Franc.

Still – even though the peg was officially ended – the SNB heavily intervenes in the Swiss franc currency
market. It buys euro and dollar denominated assets in order to artificially devalue the Swiss franc – or at least
to prevent an accelerating appreciation.

3. Negative rates on Swiss Govt. bonds – up to 10 years.

With the announcement of January the Swiss Govt. bonds instantly went into negative territory up to a 10y
maturity. The whole government sector can now borrow money up to 10 years and is paid for it.
Current 90-day rates are even lower than the base rate, standing at -1.05%.

4. Bank notes (with no negative interest rates) vs. money in bank accounts.

This is the most important subject, as obviously the market will generate a heavy demand for bank notes.
These bank notes are not subject to any negative interest rates.
As was discussed largely in the Swiss media, pension funds and the likes wanted to withdraw money from the
banks and store the cash in vaults. Costs for the storage of cash are distinctively lower than the negative rates at
-0.75%.

There are roughly only 65bln francs of banknotes in circulation. The excess demand of pension funds and the
likes wanting to store several billion in cash brought about special action from banks and the central bank.
Soon letters of banks circulated demanding not only 0.175% in cash delivery fees but also mentioning that
there is no guarantee the Swiss National Bank will actually deliver the cash and that the Swiss National Bank
will be informed of any movement and withdrawal including transparency as to who demands cash.
Deliveries of 1,000 franc banknotes have virtually stopped and getting bills with larger denominations has
become almost impossible should someone wish to withdraw in excess of 10m francs. It needs to be
mentioned here that one can still get cash at the cash machine. But it is only a matter of time when Switzerland
will run out of cash or prohibit cash altogether. Because public has not yet started, as individual bank accounts
with less than roughly 10m francs are still exempt from negative interest rates at most commercial banks.

Should the interest rate lower further there will also be negative interest rates on regular bank accounts. And
hence public demand for bills will spike.

5. Upward spikes in the interest rate for regular mortgages.

Most interesting anyways is the fact, that negative interest rates had the exact opposite effect on the rate of
interest for mortgages. Those have spiked since -0.75% in base rate are in effect. One would wonder how this
came about and there is a very simple – but at the same time frightening – explanation. Let’s assume the
following example: Bank A has a willing borrower for CHF 1mln at a rate of 1.50% for 10y (fixed mortgage).
At the same time Bank A has willing creditors, i.e. bank account holders, which it pays 0.00% overnight
(checking account). The bank is actually borrowing short to lend long.

Now as the bank is aware of the risk it might be in should overnight rates go to e.g. 5.00% again, it makes an
interest rate swap. The risk the bank might face is that if it had to pay its depositors 5.00% while only receiving
1.50% fixed for 10y, it would simply go out of business. Hence the interest rate swap: Bank A (1) sells the
income from the 10y fixed mortgage to Counterparty B and (2) in return receives the overnight deposit rate
from the Counterparty B. This makes sense in an environment of rising rates. As at an interest rate level of
5.00% overnight, the Counterparty B would pay to Bank A 5.00%. And Bank A would only have to pay 1.5%
to Counterparty B. But in the current situation the “interest rate hedge” costs the bank double: Bank A
currently pays 1.50% annually to Counterparty B. And now Counterparty B pays to Bank A the overnight rate.
As the overnight rate stands at -0.75% it is not Bank A receiving money, but additionally having to pay
Counterparty B. Hence Bank A pays 1.50% + 0.75%.

This drains the bank’s capital and thus reduces or eliminates the banks margin from its lending activities. Let’s
assume banks are now hedged for rising rates. But what if rates drop even further? Then the bank will have to
pay more and more money to the counterparty and the liquidation value of the 10y fixed interest rate swap
skyrockets. This will drain many banks of their equity – if rates drop further. And the chances that they will are
very high.
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Re: Bankers it is Immoral to fund war

Postby Elihu » Thu Dec 17, 2015 8:37 pm

Second quarter 2015

http://feketeresearch.com/upload/Second ... r-2015.pdf

Market discounts for interest rates and progress of monetisation

10-year Treasury rates are currently at 2.31% in America. Now that interest rates have declined so sharply over
the years, it naturally makes it easier for those who refuse to think more deeply to be noisy about the end of
this trend; a broken clock tells the correct time
twice a day. The move higher in rates from the
January low of 1.64% to its current 2.31% is
being touted by many as the beginnings of a
gargantuan bear market in bonds. Is this likely
to happen? What precisely is the market
expecting for three month LIBOR rates (being
the closest proxy to overnight rates) over the
coming months?

The market is expecting that three month
LIBOR will have advanced to 0.38% by
September of this year from 0.29% currently.
Furthermore, by December 2016, the market
expects this rate to have risen to 1.4% and by
December 2017 2.0%. This upward gradient
(chart to the right) has been the consistent
stance by the market ever since the Great
Financial Crisis began…and is as likely to represent the path of fiat interest rates as it was previously – i.e. it
didn’t.


Taking the December 2015 Eurodollar contract, in the middle of summer last year, a 0.25% three month
LIBOR rate was being discounted (by December 2015). This currently stands at 0.57%...whilst the three month
LIBOR (spot) rate is currently 0.29%. This gradient of ascension in three month LIBOR is as unlikely now as it
has been in historically.


In the last quarter of 2014, Dr. Yellen informed us that quantitative easing would be coming to an end. In
previous missives (†), it has been highlighted that strictly this will never be the case. Let’s see this unfolding in
real-time. To see (again!) why quantitative easing will never end, let’s consider splitting the TARP (treasury
bond) holdings by maturity: bonds expiring over one year and bonds expiring in one year or less (charts on
next page.)


Since Dr. Yellen’s announcement in the last quarter of 2014, the percentage of treasury bonds expiring in less
than a year has gone from under 0.1% to over 5.9%. Soon, these bonds will have less than three months, three
weeks, three days, three seconds to expiry…whereupon the proceeds from their maturity will have to be
exchanged for more bonds. This process applies to every single bond held by the central authority. The average
maturity of the TARP treasury holdings is 102 months (down from 108 months at Dr. Yellen’s
announcement.) Accordingly, within 102 months more than 50% of these holdings will have matured into
cash-fiat prior to being exchanged for further bonds. With this, a 10 year treasury rate of 1% will seem
gargantuan.

To keep the maturity of the TARP holdings above 102 months, it would only make sense to exchange
maturing bonds for bonds of maturity greater than 102 months. This currently stands at $1.7trn – or 17% of the
total US issuance. In Q3’13’s letter, the maturity of TARP holdings was 114 months with $2.5trn (27%) of
bonds with a maturity greater than 114 months. There’ll be a further dearth of long term US govt. securities as
the authorities add them to their balance sheet. With that, long term rates will plunge to the all-time lows
recently seen.


The encouragement of long-term ‘enterprise’ that requires long-term funding is already a feature of most
government policy –. This makes sense in the context of there being a dearth of long-term
fiat bonds as they’re locked away. All kinds of activity being described as ‘employment’ that would not be
present under free exchange are, and will be, jihad promoted.

(†) http://feketeresearch.com/upload/The-De ... -Bonds.pdf
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Re: Bankers it is Immoral to fund war

Postby backtoiam » Thu Dec 17, 2015 8:51 pm

Suppposedly Switzerland just gave up the ghost on the hidden riches stored in their country and every vault and bank account is now "transparent" and will be accounted for. I have no idea what that is about but I find it rather odd.

Yes and this all like a huge comedy show isn't it? All this time these huge banking concerns are getting their money for free and talking about "losing money." The comedy show does not get any better than this. Oh my God the banks might lose money. This whole time no assets are moving. The only thing moving is the numbers in the news stories and the people moving under bridges and into tent cities. I could understand it when a dollar actually represented a unit of human labor but those days are over. We have machines doing the work of a thousand men in a day. These damn people have always been crazy but this shit has gone into over drive. They got what they wanted a long time ago. This is just sadistic punishment and glee of glow in the after glow of winning. Twirling a mustache and smiling with smug lack of humility and compassion. At this point it is like poking a trapped rabbit in a cage with a sharp stick and enjoying the pure joy of its pain. These people are crazy. That is the only explanation.
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Postby Elihu » Fri Jan 29, 2016 11:29 am

Negatives in japan. *
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Re: Bankers it is Immoral to fund war

Postby Elihu » Wed Jul 13, 2016 10:37 am

All fiat is crap issued by villagers with machine guns... quote
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Postby NeonLX » Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:23 pm

Elihu » Wed Jul 13, 2016 9:37 am wrote:All fiat is crap issued by villagers with machine guns... quote


Although I do wish the banks were paying me to buy shit.
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Postby slimmouse » Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:13 pm

The world is essentially controlled by psycopaths, who in turn appoint sociopaths, generally with psycopathic potential to do their bidding for them.

Invert the pyramid is what I say, although I would readily accept that this is not quite as easy as it sounds.
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Postby NeonLX » Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:32 pm

^^^^Right. The rest of us are trying to live our lives with minimal damage to others, as much as possible. But the psychopaths are in it for the power and control. They crave it, as do the less cunning psychopaths who work for them.

And billions of people get caught in their bullshit.
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