Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby Elvis » Fri Dec 11, 2015 6:51 pm

backtoiam » Fri Dec 11, 2015 3:02 pm wrote:Untraceable cell phones are for bad people. Those people are up to no good and steal propane tanks to do bad stuff with, like blow up something... :sarcasm

Theft of dozens of propane tanks, purchase of 150 prepaid cell phones in Missouri puts FBI on alert

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The FBI has launched an investigation after 150 prepaid mobile phones were bought from local Walmarts in Missouri. This comes after the theft of dozens of propane tanks in the area.




No. Bullshit is bad for people.


It's true that the FBI has been alerted to the rumors, and is investigating them. However, the FBI is obligated to investigate any such claims to determine whether the information is credible. Thus far, we've received no confirmation that the rumors were credible or even that the incidents occurred as described in the rumors. Moreover, claims that the cell phone rumors are linked to the propane tank theft rumors appeared entirely speculative.

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http://www.snopes.com/lebanon-mo-walmar ... one-rumor/
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A steady stream of pollution. I can't wait to see the next gem.
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby Nordic » Fri Dec 11, 2015 7:28 pm

Luther Blissett » Fri Dec 11, 2015 2:32 pm wrote:Like you go to journalism school for years and graduate with all these big dreams, and then you end up having to write cartoon coverage of pure fantasy.


Probably similar to the feeling I've had when I've found myself working on "reality" shows.

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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby Luther Blissett » Fri Dec 11, 2015 7:34 pm

Nordic » Fri Dec 11, 2015 6:28 pm wrote:
Luther Blissett » Fri Dec 11, 2015 2:32 pm wrote:Like you go to journalism school for years and graduate with all these big dreams, and then you end up having to write cartoon coverage of pure fantasy.


Probably similar to the feeling I've had when I've found myself working on "reality" shows.

:oops:


Under late capitalism, reality show work on you.

I'm sure you have a script or two in the wings. We all have those side hustles.
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby Luther Blissett » Fri Dec 11, 2015 7:34 pm

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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby MacCruiskeen » Fri Dec 11, 2015 7:42 pm

Nordic » Fri Dec 11, 2015 6:28 pm wrote:
Luther Blissett » Fri Dec 11, 2015 2:32 pm wrote:Like you go to journalism school for years and graduate with all these big dreams, and then you end up having to write cartoon coverage of pure fantasy.


Probably similar to the feeling I've had when I've found myself working on "reality" shows.

:oops:


From The Onion the LA Times:

Two congressmen, after receiving an intelligence briefing Thursday, said neighbors of the shooters told investigators they witnessed "suspicious activity" at the couple's home before the attack but did not report it to authorities.

They didn't provide details about what those activities were. It's also unclear what home the officials were talking about.


Sometimes I see lines like those as tiny, feeble gestures at rebellion. Coded messages. They translate as "Yes, readers, we know it's crap too, but have a heart, we can't say it out loud."

This one's a beauty, straight from Washington DC:

The Latest: Investigators looking at 2012 attack plot

By Associated Press December 9 at 6:21 PM

SAN BERNARDINO, Calif. — The latest on the shootings in San Bernardino, California (all times local):

3:06 p.m.

Two people familiar with the investigation into the San Bernardino, California, attack say investigators are looking at whether the husband accused in the shootings was planning an attack in 2012 but abandoned those plans.

The two spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren’t authorized to discuss the matter publicly.

The shooting attack by 28-year-old Syed Farook and his wife, 29-year-old Tashfeen Malik, last week killed 14 people and left 21 injured. Former neighbor Enrique Marquez bought the two rifles used in the attack.

One of the two people, a law enforcement official briefed on the investigation, says Marquez has told investigators that he and Farook planned an attack in the United States in 2012 but abandoned the idea. Marquez is a relative of Farook’s through marriage.

The official says it’s unclear what spooked them into cancelling the apparent plot.

— AP writers Tami Abdollah and Eric Tucker in Washington contributed this item.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... story.html


How many stiff drinks were consumed in the making of that report? I think we should be told.
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby backtoiam » Fri Dec 11, 2015 8:56 pm

Elvis we know they are probably not telling us the truth about the phones and the propane ok? But watching what they say is valuable because it lets you know where they are headed. They don't pick these subjects for no reason. They are telling you something when they do these things. I don't think you're getting it, but thats ok.

I doubt they have a passport machine either elvis, but they are telling you something.,

Snopes? No wonder....
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby backtoiam » Sun Dec 13, 2015 3:15 am

I figured people would understand why that cell phone propane tank passport machine stuff was here but on second thought this is the wrong thread. I made a garbage thread. A propaganda thread for it. If I could pull it out of this thread I would but its too late I can't edit it now.
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby semper occultus » Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:20 pm

Why it's time to grant Isis diplomatic recognition

When pariah states are brought into the international system, they become subject to constraints. Consider the USSR

Vadim Nikitim Tuesday 15 December 2015

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/why-we-should-grant-isis-diplomatic-recognition-a6773761.html

...it is time to forge a long peace with militant Islam....


Last week saw the publication of a cache of internal memos leaked from official Isis sources, including a “24-page statecraft blueprint”. The documents show that Isis has already lived up to its name, whether we like it or not.

Yet Western policies continue to deny this reality. Like the war on drugs, the war against Isis remains predicated on the flawed notion that acceptance implies legitimation. With the US and other Western countries are finally coming round to more reality-based drugs policies, the time has come to embrace the same principles of harm-reduction when it comes to international relations. Only by recognising and treating Isis as a bona fide state can we hope to understand its workings and motivations and, ultimately, contain its murderous advance across the region.

History shows that diplomatic recognition of extremist governments can make them more likely to moderate their behaviour. While pariahs are able behave with impunity, when brought within the international system, they become subject to constraints. The most striking example of this was the Soviet Union.

For three years following the revolution of 1917, the US, UK and France believed they could defeat the spread of Communism in Russia with force. Thousands of troops were deployed to fight against the Red Army in a brutal and confusing civil war, to no avail. When Vladimir Lenin finally proclaimed the creation of the USSR in 1922, Western powers refused to accept it.

Shunned by the international community, the Bolsheviks acted in much the same way as Isis do now. Thousands of churches and priceless historical artefacts were destroyed in the name of an extremist ideology. Firing squads roamed the countryside brutally executing enemies of the regime. Similarly to Isis, Russia’s new rulers recognised neither the legitimacy of neighbouring governments nor the sanctity of their borders. For example, the Communist International explicitly sought to export world revolution and sponsored armed uprisings in Germany, Hungary and Estonia.

Britain finally established diplomatic relations in 1924; nearly a decade passed before the US and most of the rest of the world followed suit. Widespread diplomatic recognition of the USSR did little to quell the internal excesses of the regime. But it did correspond to a shift in Soviet foreign policy from ideological zealotry to greater pragmatism and accommodation with its neighbours.

As the quest for world revolution was replaced with the much more modest doctrine of “Socialism in one country”, Moscow stopped actively plotting the overthrow of Western governments. While the USSR would remain a foe of the West for the next 50 years, it became a predictable and rational opponent, one that knew the rules of the game and could be counted to stick to them. In fact, for all its anxiety and terror, the cold war also produced the longest period of peace and stability between the great powers. The historian John Lewis Gaddis described it as the “long peace”.

Isis exists, and wishful thinking cannot will it away. As with the war on drugs, which has singularly failed to curb either use or trafficking, the international bombing campaign has done little to stop the self-described Caliphate from attaining the core principles of statehood. It now controls significant territory, governs a population of up to 10 million, operates an increasingly sophisticated civil service bureaucracy and has largely established a monopoly on violence. Only by accepting reality and extending diplomatic recognition to Isis can the West hope to gain a credible means to moderate and constrain its further advance. The Soviet scenario is now the least worst option: it is time to forge a long peace with militant Islam.
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby tapitsbo » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:43 pm

Supposedly they've been bombed into oblivion? I guess maybe some diplomatic acceptance can save the soul of poor beleaguered underdog ISIS.

What better place to announce this than a newspaper owned by an ex-KGB billionaire critic of the Russian regime (anyone know if this is more kayfaybe?)
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby AlicetheKurious » Wed Dec 16, 2015 3:33 pm

tapitsbo » Wed Dec 16, 2015 8:43 pm wrote:Supposedly they've been bombed into oblivion? I guess maybe some diplomatic acceptance can save the soul of poor beleaguered underdog ISIS.

What better place to announce this than a newspaper owned by an ex-KGB billionaire critic of the Russian regime (anyone know if this is more kayfaybe?)


The purpose for which "ISIS"/Daesh was made, is to divide up Iraqi and Syrian territory (as well as the territories of other Arab states), in keeping with the Zionist strategy articulated by Oded Yinon, and earlier by Bernard Lewis. Now that the Iraqi 'Popular Mobilization' and Kurdish Peshmerga forces are pushing "ISIS"/Daesh back in Iraq, and the Syrian Army, Hizbullah and Russia are pushing it out of Syria, the plan is failing. Both Syria and Iraq are badly bruised and bloodied, but intact.

What to do? What to do? That's where this trial balloon comes in: recognize "ISIS"/Daesh as a state.

First, this would impose the legal fragmentation of Iraq and Syria that the military aggressions have failed to accomplish. The Syrian government's liberation of "ISIS"/Daesh"-held Syrian territory would then be legally defined as invasion and a war crime against a recognized state. From a legal point of view, until now Syria's President Assad and his government have represented the forces of legitimacy against the criminal actions of the Zio-American empire, its co-conspirators and its proxies. But by recognizing Daesh as a state, any Syrian territory liberated by government forces would be defined as foreign-occupied, until its "liberation" by Daesh and any foreign troops invited by the terrorists.

Second, as a supposed state, this Zio-American proxy would have the legal right to sign treaties and contracts with 'other' governments, and to invite foreign military intervention. As a terrorist gang, obviously, they don't have that right. Thus, so far, all the US, European, Turkish and Israeli aggressions constitute clear-cut war crimes, though nobody's been prosecuted.

Of course, all this presumes that the Zio-American empire and its vassals can violate international law with complete immunity, while using that same international law selectively and in a totally self-serving way. So far, that's been the case. But things could change.
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby stickdog99 » Wed Dec 16, 2015 8:46 pm

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology ... ts-7010417

Hackers have claimed that a number of Islamic State supporters' social media accounts are being run from internet addresses linked to the Department of Work and Pensions.

A group of four young computer experts who call themselves VandaSec have unearthed evidence indicating that at least three ISIS-supporting accounts can be traced back to the DWP.

Every computer and mobile phone logs onto the internet using an IP address, which is a type of identification number.

Update: British government admits it can't stop ISIS extremists using internet addresses

The hacking collective showed Mirror Online details of the IP addresses used by a trio of separate digital jihadis to access Twitter accounts, which have been used to spread extremist propaganda.

At first glance, the IP addresses seem to be based in Saudi Arabia, but upon further inspection using specialist tools they appeared to link back to the DWP.

"Don't you think that's strange?" one of the hackers asked Mirror Online. "We traced these accounts back to London, the home of the British intelligence services."

VandaSec's work has sparked wild rumours suggesting someone inside the DWP is running ISIS-supporting accounts, or they were created by intelligence services as a honeypot to trap wannabe jihadis.

However, when Mirror Online traced the IP addresses obtained by VandaSec, we found they actually pointed to a series of unpublicised transactions between Britain and Saudi Arabia.

After the sale completed in October of this year, they were used by extremists to spread their message of hate.

Jamie Turner, an expert from a firm called PCA Predict, discovered a record of the sale of IP addresses, and found a large number were transferred to Saudi Arabia in October of this year.

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He told us it was likely the IP addresses could still be traced back to the DWP because records of the addresses had not yet been fully updated.

The Cabinet Office has now admitted to selling the IP addresses on to Saudi Telecom and the Saudi-based Mobile Telecommunications Company earlier this year as part of a wider drive to get rid of a large number of the DWP's IP addresses.

It said the British government can have no control over how these addresses are used after the sale.

A Cabinet Office spokesperson said: "The government owns millions of unused IP addresses which we are selling to get a good return for hardworking taxpayers.

"We have sold a number of these addresses to telecoms companies both in the UK and internationally to allow their customers to connect to the internet.

"We think carefully about which companies we sell addresses to, but how their customers use this internet connection is beyond our control."

The government did not reveal how much money was made from selling the IP addresses to the pair of Saudi firms, because it regards this information as commercially sensitive.
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby MacCruiskeen » Wed Dec 16, 2015 8:56 pm

Assad can stay, for now: Kerry accepts Russian stance

Associated Press
By MATTHEW LEE and BRADLEY KLAPPER December 15, 2015 6:01 PM

MOSCOW (AP) — U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry on Tuesday accepted Russia's long-standing demand that President Bashar Assad's future be determined by his own people, as Washington and Moscow edged toward putting aside years of disagreement over how to end Syria's civil war.

[...]

http://news.yahoo.com/kerry-moscow-talk ... 2398.html#


It's politicking, of course; but still, I think, a significant development.
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby Nordic » Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:23 pm

Assad can stay. The San Bernadino shooters never announced their jihad on social media.

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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby backtoiam » Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:28 pm

Yes you did and no you didn't. We sort of knew it would fly this way. The fight is between which routes will be used to distribute the stolen oil. That is where the cash is being fought over right now. Huge money to be made getting the oil from where it was stolen from to the end consumer.
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby overcoming hope » Thu Dec 24, 2015 11:30 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5meC4Z61qGg

Noam Chomsky on Syria, China, Capitalism, and Ferguson, The Laura Flanders Show

3:22

Flanders: So what would you do if you were president?
Chomsky: With Isis? First of all Isis is a monstrosity…There isn’t a conceivable way of dealing..it’s kind of hard to imagine…following the law…I say that cautiously because it’s such an outrageous idea.
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