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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby stickdog99 » Wed Dec 16, 2015 6:23 pm

RocketMan » 16 Dec 2015 19:29 wrote::shock: :shock: :shock:

http://www.salon.com/2015/12/16/fbi_on_ ... socialflow

The alleged San Bernardino shooters in fact did not post messages in support of jihad on social media, the FBI revealed Wednesday morning.

FBI Director James Comey told the media in a news conference that “We have found no evidence of a posting on social media by either of them,” according to NBC journalist Bradd Jaffy.


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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby stickdog99 » Wed Dec 16, 2015 6:28 pm

MacCruiskeen » 16 Dec 2015 21:09 wrote:- Back on topic, if humanly possible.

I am wondering how the hacks and their editors will cope with this latest FBI statement. They must be positively shitting themselves with confusion. I look forward to seeing tomorrow's headlines.

Note that if any of those hacks had dared, yesterday, to even suggest what the Feds today tell us is true, they would have been placing themselves at the outer fringe of conspiracy nuttery and thus rendering themselves unemployable. Rita Katz and SITE had told them the jihad/Facebook yarn was true, so they took that as gospel and passed it on to the world as incontrovertible truth. How will they explain this tomorrow?


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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby stickdog99 » Wed Dec 16, 2015 6:41 pm

I watched the videos. While they may be crisis performers, they are definitely not actors.

But I agree with Mac. What does that matter anyway? One's response to another's putative response to a tragic event is wholly subjective. So even if the interviews do seem like videos made by a low budget public speaking class, what does that prove? And if my subjective instincts are wrong and these people are actually the grieving relatives of victims who were just heartlessly gunned down by mercenaries, what then?
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby IanEye » Wed Dec 16, 2015 6:47 pm

AlicetheKurious » Wed Dec 16, 2015 5:39 pm wrote:

As for the videos IanEye posted, I found the acting, especially in the first two, to be very fake and unconvincing.


Alice,
What are the stats for how many people are on various medications in the States?
When you are viewing people being interviewed, and then judging their reaction compared to people you happen to know, are you taking any of that into account? The amount of people in the States who are heavily medicated?
Are the people you know sober?
Are the people you know heavily medicated?

Alice, have you ever experienced the onset of the flu, when the waves of nausea start to cycle faster and faster, but eventually start to abate?

When a person of faith loses someone they know suddenly, a part of them can be quite happy that that loved one is now in Heaven.
At the same time, they can be overwhelmingly sad for themselves and the other loved ones still on earth who are also dealing with grief.
These emotions can cycle.

I know this may be really hard for you to believe, but sometimes a camera crew will be filming someone, and then stop for any number of reasons.
Then, they ask the person being interviewed to tell the same story they just told all over again.
This can be very offputting for an individual, especially for someone with no TV or film experience, and so the second or third time they tell the same story, it no longer sounds "genuine" or "real".

All of this is compounded by the wonderful death lottery we have going on in the States, where more and more, people are picturing in their spare time what they might say if they were to find someone they love had died in a mass shooting.
So, in essence, some of these people do sound scripted because it is indeed something they have pondered all too often, and now they are "lucky" enough to get to convey these feelings on the TV.

Most people I know at work have spent a certain amount of time imagining they are suddenly rich because they have won a certain kind of lottery.
Most people I know at work have spent a certain amount of time imagining they are suddenly wounded because they have won a very different kind of lottery.

Alice, why don't you try this:
one day, walk the streets where you live and ask someone you don't know if they will film you for a while.
If they agree, hand them your phone and then when they give the thumbs up, start speaking to the camera and talk about how often times when you watch people on TV, you don't believe them.
When you feel you have spoken your mind, thank this stranger, and take your fresh footage home.

Then, post it here at RI and we'll all watch and judge you on whether or not you sound legit.

We'll tell you whether or not you are a liar.
Then you can tell us how that feels.


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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Wed Dec 16, 2015 6:53 pm

MacCruiskeen » Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:55 pm wrote:I really want it on the record here, WR. I want to know exactly how the board rules have changed. 1) Is it fine if I call IanEye or anyone else a prick (one, two, three or more times in the same post)? 2) Is it OK if I spam, quite unnecessarily, any thread I feel like spamming, with countless videos of only marginal relevance at best?

Let's hear it for the board, once and for all. I want a public word from you as the Moderator, WR. Because it's you (as you well know) whom IanEye is quoting (or parodying) at the end there.


No, you're right. Ian gets a week off for the "prick" bit.

As for the videos, c'mon, man. It's not spam, it's commentary.
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby MacCruiskeen » Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:15 pm

Wombaticus Rex » Wed Dec 16, 2015 5:53 pm wrote:
As for the videos, c'mon, man. It's not spam, it's commentary.


I don't know, WR. And really, I don't have the time or the inclination to even look at them, because I don't see the point. If they're worth looking at and discussing, then that discussion should surely take place in one of the two Cr*s*s Act*rs threads. Because if that discussion takes place in this thread then there will be no end to it.

As someone else said recently (I think it was cptmarginal, also returning after a long absence: There are at least 20 threads worth contributing to in the first two pages of GD alone. True, and it would be good not to mix or stretch them more than absolutely necessary.

PS Thanks for the intervention, sincerely. Personally I think an instant suspension was a bit harsh, but we have been through all this before, and recently too. So, basta, and I hope we can all get back on-topic. This is a really awful case, and a hellishly important one.
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:22 pm

I actually didn't even read Ian's whole message, so that's on me.
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby MacCruiskeen » Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:27 pm

The accusation of not caring about either the victims or the alleged perpetrators actually annoyed me far more than the five-letter insult. But enough.
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby conniption » Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:28 pm

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NYT Burned Again By Granting Anonymity To "Officials"


NYT, Dec 12 2015: U.S. Visa Process Missed San Bernardino Wife’s Zealotry on Social Media

WASHINGTON — Tashfeen Malik, who with her husband carried out the massacre in San Bernardino, Calif., passed three background checks by American immigration officials as she moved to the United States from Pakistan. None uncovered what Ms. Malik had made little effort to hide — that she talked openly on social media about her views on violent jihad.

She said she supported it. And she said she wanted to be a part of it.

American law enforcement officials said they recently discovered those old — and previously unreported — postings as they pieced together the lives of Ms. Malik and her husband, Syed Rizwan Farook, trying to understand how they pulled off the deadliest terrorist attack on American soil since Sept. 11, 2001.


Reuters, Dec 16, 2015: FBI director: San Bernardino shooters never expressed public support for jihad on social media

FBI Director James Comey said on Wednesday that there remains no evidence the couple who massacred 14 people in San Bernardino, California, on December 2 were part of an organized cell or had any contact with overseas militant groups.

Syed Rizwan Farook, 28, and Tashfeen Malik, 29, expressed support for "jihad and martyrdom" in private communications but never did so on social media, Comey said at a press conference in New York City.


The false NYT report was used by various interested politicians and bureaucrats to demand a stop to U.S. immigration, stricter visa vetting, back-doors to communications, giving social media sides some sort of police function and so on. The same happened when at first false reports emerged that the attackers in Paris had used encryption to communicate with each other. The actually used open SMS messages.

The NYT needs to publish how the false report found its way into the paper. Did it not crosscheck its sources?

It needs to burn the "American law enforcement officials" who gave it the false information by publishing their names and motives.

Without doing that its its readership will have to classify any other NYT report based on unnamed "officials" - just like some bloggers already do - as likely false.

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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby MacCruiskeen » Wed Dec 16, 2015 8:06 pm

Thanks, conniption.

WASHINGTON — Tashfeen Malik, who with her husband carried out the massacre in San Bernardino, Calif., passed three background checks by American immigration officials as she moved to the United States from Pakistan. None uncovered what Ms. Malik had made little effort to hide — that she talked openly on social media about her views on violent jihad.

She said she supported it. And she said she wanted to be a part of it.


Those three NYT hacks and their editor should be forced to resign if they do not immediately and equally publicly

1) retract those disgraceful, unfounded assertions (bolded) without reservation,

and

2) offer a full public apology to the families of everyone who was murdered in San Bernardino that day, and to every reader of the NYT ("The Newspaper of Record").

Let's see if they have the minimal decency to do so as prominently and unreservedly* as they publicised the lies and thereby encouraged the expansion of the War.

*Or even at all.
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby backtoiam » Wed Dec 16, 2015 8:20 pm

I am just waiting on this "oh don't question the narrative because it is not respectful to the victims" to end so we can get down to brass tacks and attempt to figure out where this is all headed in the future.

If you want to notice something notice this. Notice patterns of information and how strenuously they are rejected. Notice how people are shamed and shouted down for daring to have an opinion. This is your clue.

Immediately after 911 anybody that questioned that event was shouted down and shamed. Pretty much like the JFK killing in broad daylight for everybody to witness. Now that it is 'sort of' mainstream knowledge that 911 was a cock up event you can talk about it without getting shouted down and shamed because these subjects already jumped the shark.

Pay attention to these "problematic" subjects and they will guide you to the truth. The question is........what comes next from the "problematic" issues that keep coming true, that lead up the ladder of the future....?

What is next?.......the past is the past, the future will be what it is.....we have to live with that and the speculation of it will be shouted down with vigorous intent. And that too we will live with. Karl Rove said so, and I believe him.
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby divideandconquer » Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:12 pm

In this age of trial by media, where mass shootings occur like clockwork, whatever is reported in the first 48 hours becomes the "truth". That's what people will remember, that is if they remember anything at all about this event as they occur so frequently they all begin to blend together. The next one should be occurring any day now.

Hell, at this point, over a week later, the FBI could admit the whole thing was staged, and unless the NY Times prints it above the fold, and FOX, CNN and MSNBC air it every hour on the hour, people will only remember what's reported during the media circus . In other words, it would take a media circus to counter another media circus.
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby Nordic » Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:21 pm

divideandconquer » Wed Dec 16, 2015 8:12 pm wrote:In this age of trial by media, where mass shootings occur like clockwork, whatever is reported in the first 48 hours becomes the "truth". That's what people will remember, that is if they remember anything at all about this event as they occur so frequently they all begin to blend together. The next one should be occurring any day now.

Hell, at this point, over a week later, the FBI could admit the whole thing was staged, and unless the NY Times prints it above the fold, and FOX, CNN and MSNBC air it every hour on the hour, people will only remember what's reported during the media circus . In other words, it would take a media circus to counter another media circus.



Agreed. Look at how clear it's become, even if you only pay attention to the "mainstream" media, that the US deliberately avoided bombing ISIS, let them steal and sell oil, airdropped weapons and arms to them etc etc etc .... And that ISIS is in effect a proxy force for the US. But Americans have a self-imposed blind spot and simply refuse to believe it. I've been in some conversations where the cognitive dissonance in this regard is so severe it borders on a serious mental illness.
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby stickdog99 » Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:42 pm

http://www.latimes.com/local/california ... story.html

Enrique Marquez, who allegedly purchased the assault rifles used in the San Bernardino mass shooting, could face a variety of charges, including lying on his application to buy the guns and conspiracy to commit an act of terrorism, legal experts said.

Marquez, 24, legally purchased the rifles from an authorized gun dealer in 2011 and 2012, but there was no record of any transfer of the weapons from him to Syed Rizwan Farook or Farook's wife, Tashfeen Malik, according to federal sources familiar with the ongoing investigation who spoke on condition of anonymity. Farook and Malik killed 14 people and wounded many others during a Dec. 2 attack on a social services office.

Marquez told officials that Farook asked him to purchase the guns because Farook feared he would not pass a background check, another government source said. That source said Marquez also divulged that Farook was planning a different attack in 2011 or 2012 but later abandoned it.

If Marquez knowingly bought the guns for Farook to use in an earlier attack, he could be charged with conspiracy to commit a terrorist act or conspiracy to commit murder, lawyers said. Either offense carries a potential life sentence.

"I think the guy is definitely facing some serious potential problems," said UC Hastings law professor Rory Little, a former federal prosecutor. "The idea that he is talking to them without a lawyer makes everybody gasp."

Ismail Ramsey, another former federal prosecutor, said conspiracy can be charged if a suspect performed an overt act to carry out a crime, even if the crime was never committed. He cited the example of someone buying a ski mask to commit a bank robbery. Purchasing a ski mask is legal but buying it for a bank robbery could support a conspiracy charge, Ramsey said. "You can withdraw from a conspiracy before completion," said Ramsey, now a criminal defense lawyer in Berkeley, "and that could be a defense."

Little said conspiracy could be charged if Marquez knew about a plot that was real and assisted in it, but "not for hot air blown in the back of a barroom. Conspiracy allows you to reach things that didn't actually happen," Little said.

To prove someone withdrew from a conspiracy generally requires evidence that the person went to the authorities or prevented the plot from being carried out, he said. "Withdrawal is an incredibly hard defense to make," he said.

A charge of aiding and abetting is "another way to spread criminal liability to people who are tangentially involved in an offense," Little said. Investigators would have to prove that Marquez knew the guns would be used in the San Bernardino attack, a charge that law enforcement has not made in either public or private comments.

The most straightforward case against Marquez would probably center on violations of state and federal gun laws, experts said. Federal rules make it a crime to lie on any part of the registration paperwork required of gun buyers. As part of that law, gun buyers are prohibited from purchasing a gun with the intent of giving it to another person — a deceit known as a straw purchase or "lying and buying."

The violation, which carries a maximum sentence of 10 years in prison, can be hard to prove, said William Vizzard, who worked for 27 years as an agent in the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

"The challenge is proving the person's state of mind. If he confesses that he intended to hand the weapons over, that's one thing," said Vizzard, now a criminal justice professor at Cal State Sacramento. "But if he's at all smart, he'll deny any intent to pass on the weapons. It's a pretty impenetrable defense."

Under California law, transferring the ownership of a firearm from one person to another must be conducted by a registered gun dealer. The dealer keeps possession of the weapon while the person wanting it undergoes a background check by state officials.

Giving or selling a firearm to another without going through such a process is a misdemeanor offense. Gil Eisenberg, a San Francisco criminal defense lawyer, said Marquez made a "big mistake" by waiving his right to a lawyer.

Eisenberg said Marquez could attempt to have any admissions thrown out on the grounds he was "mentally incapacitated." Marquez checked himself into a mental health facility after the shooting, "and then shortly after that he was interrogated."

"Was he competent?" asked Eisenberg. "If he was mentally incapacitated, he might not have understood he could leave."

Marquez, who could not be reached for comment, has not surfaced publicly since the Dec. 2 attack on the Inland Regional Center. On the weekend after the killings, the FBI searched the home on Tomlinson Avenue where Marquez lived with his parents. Farook used to live next door until he and his family moved to Redlands this year.

Before then, Farook and Marquez were often seen spending long afternoons tinkering on old cars in the driveway of Farook's home. After Marquez converted to Islam, Farook's religion, he prayed at a local mosque and married a member of Farook's extended family, a Russian emigre.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... stion.html

Was The San Bernardino Massacre Really ISIS-Inspired?

A public pledge on Facebook and social media posts were supposed to be the smoking guns connecting ISIS to San Bernardino. But now, the director of the FBI has called that theory into question.

For nearly two weeks, the massacre in San Bernardino has been characterized in the press and by government officials as an ISIS—or, at least, ISIS-inspired—attack in which social media figured prominently in the shooters’ radicalization and planning. On Wednesday, FBI Director James Comey raised major doubts about that characterization when he told reporters that that the husband and wife who killed 14 people in San Bernardino hadn’t posted to social media about radical jihad. That significantly altered the public understanding of how the couple plotted their rampage and what might have been done to stop them.

Previously, anonymous federal officials told journalists that Tashfeen Malik, the wife of Syed Farook, had posted allegiance to ISIS via a Facebook page at the time of the attack. And news reports have focused on Malik’s use of social media to express her jihadist views. That Facebook post in particular, which the FBI has never publicly confirmed, became the strongest evidence of a possible link between the attackers and the militant group and it raised questions about whether ISIS had ordered the couple to attack or merely inspired them to carry out what became the worst terrorist attack on U.S. soil since Sept. 11, 2001.

But Comey told reporters during a press conference at the New York Police Department that reports of public social media posts were incorrect, and that the FBI has so far only found that the shooters were communicating via private messages, which law enforcement agencies would have been unable to see without a warrant.

“These communications are private direct messages, not social media messages,” Comey said. The FBI has searched back to late 2013, Comey said, when the couple were in touch electronically but hadn’t yet met in person. Farook was living in California, and Malik was living in Pakistan. The shooters were “showing signs in that communication of their joint commitment to jihad and to martyrdom.”

But, Comey added, “So far in this investigation, we have found no evidence of posting on social media by either of them at that period of time and thereafter reflecting their commitment to jihad or to martyrdom. I’ve seen some reporting on that and that’s a garble. The investigation continues but we have not found that kind of thing.”

An FBI spokesperson later clarified Comey’s remarks to say the director was only speaking about events before the shooting. Comey didn’t specify which reports had misstated the facts of the case.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... story.html

Burguan was there quickly, and set up a command post in a bus outside the Inland Regional Center. As officers searched for gunmen, he realized he and his men were way too close and decided to pull back to a safer position.

“I was told there was everything from two shooters, two shooters plus a getaway driver, three shooters, three shooters plus a getaway driver,” he said. “My original description was two to three white males.”

He addressed the persistent rumor that there was a third shooter, saying it was not true and that it reflected the chaos of the moment and the shaky nature of witness testimony in an emergency.

Why would Farook shoot up the office party?

“It defies logic,” Burguan said, but added, “In most mass-shooting events, mass shooters go into places that they’re familiar with.”

The FBI is running the investigation now, and Burguan said he doesn’t know whether there was a larger conspiracy. But in general, he said, “there’s always people that know. There’s always people that know who the bad guys are.” Of the possibility that Farook and Malik kept their terrorist inclinations secret, he said, “I find it hard to believe that they could completely lead two separate lives in that regard.”

His people trained for active-shooter events. They handled the case as they would any other mass shooting. The motivation, Burguan suggested, doesn’t really change anything.

“It would be just as tragic and just as horrific had it turned out to be an extreme case of workplace violence,” he said. “We just live in that day and age now.”

http://www.pe.com/articles/news-789502- ... ation.html

SAN BERNARDINO SHOOTING: News coverage has public asking 'Who said that?'

Inland residents who have followed media coverage of the mass shooting in San Bernardino can be excused for feeling whipsawed by information that has been frightening, confusing, and, sometimes, anonymous.

There have been news reports about Internet loans, alleged plans for previous attacks, bomb-building, and lots of material about the alleged actions of a Riverside man who was a friend and neighbor of one of the two shooters – often attributed to unnamed sources. Use of anonymous sources, which should be a journalist’s last resort, is now overused and a cause for skepticism among the public, said Vince Gonzales, a professor of professional practice at USC-Annenberg School for Communication and Journalism.

“There is a pressure to get new details, and I have watched it over the years, the willingness to accept anonymous sources – in San Bernardino, in Oklahoma City, in 9-11,” he said by phone. “But you fail in your journalism job if you rely too heavily on unnamed sources.”

People who watch and read the news need to weigh the information they are getting from news leaks, he said. Some unnamed sources are “selfless whistle-blowers,” he said, but most are trying to get journalists to “do their dirty work.”

“If it’s based 100 percent on a faceless, nameless source, it may be true, but you should wait and see,” he said.

In the more than two weeks since 14 people died and 22 were injured when a couple identified as Syed Rizwan Farook, 28, and his wife, Tashfeen Malik , 29, opened fire on San Bernardino County health workers, people have heard anonymously-attributed reports that:

�• Nothing linked to the case was recovered by FBI and San Bernardino County Sheriff’s divers after days searching the bottom of Lake Seccombe in San Bernardino.
�• That the object of the divers’ search was a thumb drive or computer hard drive.
�• Enrique Marquez, identified by federal authorities as the Riverside man who legally bought the two rifles used by Farook and Malik, also made pipe bombs with Farook.
�• Marquez is cooperating in interviews with the FBI.
�• Marquez faces charges.
�• Farook and Malik also planned to attack either a local school or college.
Use of unnamed sources in a 24-hour news cycle is hardly new, but it has become especially prolific since the Dec. 2 shooting.

FBI spokeswoman Laura Eimiller has declined to comment on news reports about the case. No charges had been filed, and the FBI has not described the status of anyone who might be involved in their investigation. “Reporters need information from somewhere. When you have a big story like this one, every reporter is going to be tapping into his or her sources as much as possible – public safety and government,” said Charlotte Grimes, professor emerita of newspaper and online journalism at Syracuse University.

Grimes’ background includes international reporting and a dozen years in Washington for the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.
“The FBI is communicating back to their bosses in D.C., and that is one way the reporters tap in to find out,” she said. “The hard part is to verify anything” in an investigation where information can change from day to day, she said.
“So little is actually known and that is where you get the speculation.”

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015 ... /77385610/

WASHINGTON — Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson activated the National Terrorism Advisory System for the first time Wednesday, warning the public of "self-radicalized actors who could strike with little or no notice."

The bulletin, which marks the addition of a new level of public warning to the system, will be in effect for the next six months, or until events dictate otherwise, Johnson said.

The Department of Homeland Security is "especially concerned that terrorist-inspired individuals and homegrown violent extremists may be encouraged or inspired to target public events or places," the bulletin stated.

"As we saw in the recent attacks in San Bernardino and Paris, terrorists will consider a diverse and wide selection of targets for attacks,'' the DHS notice said.

There was no specific information, however, about a pending attack, Johnson said.

...

In the bulletin issued Wednesday, the public was urged to report suspicious activity to authorities and offered guidance for how community leaders, co-workers and family members may recognize "signs of potential radicalization to violence.''

With much of the country in the midst of holiday celebrations, the notice also said that "more stringent security should also be anticipated at public places and events.''

"This may include a heavy police presence, additional restrictions and searches on bags and the use of screening technologies,'' the bulletin stated.

Johnson signaled the system change as recently as last week, saying that the recent attacks illustrated "a new phase in the global terrorist threat'' that includes both terrorist-directed assaults and those inspired by organizations that involve singer attackers or small groups who can often evade law enforcement detection.


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I've done my best not to pay too much attention to the San Bernardino shooters. They weren't part of ISIS, or recruited by ISIS, or associated in any way with organized terrorism. They were apparently inspired by ISIS, but mass killers are inspired by lots of things. There's just nothing very unusual here. The plain truth is that although this case is an immense tragedy, it really isn't that interesting.

Still, there's the question of how they stayed under the radar so long. Why were they allowed in the country? Did the Department of Homeland Security or anyone else check out Syed Farook's new wife? I lost interest in this, too, when Tashfeen Malik's famous social-media dedication to jihad turned out to be little more than a few private Facebook messages written in Urdu. It's hardly surprising that was missed. But now it appears there was even less to miss:

I guess we'll have to wait to see how this plays out, but from where I sit it sure looks like there's a lot less here than meets the eye. There was no plot by ISIS. There was no gigantic breakdown in security. There's no special reason to suddenly decide that all our lives are in danger from terrorism. There was just a pair of troubled youngsters who were inspired by the wrong people and went on a killing spree. Add them to the ever-growing list.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc ... ey/420771/

As Comey noted on Monday, the FBI does not—and, he implicitly argued, should not—comb through direct communications that American citizens send unless there’s probable cause to be doing so. It’s not clear whether metadata on this sort of message would have been swept up in the NSA’s collection of information. After widespread backlash to the revelations provided by Edward Snowden about mass surveillance, there’s been a turn toward a demand for greater surveillance since the San Bernardino attacks, both in public polling and by politicians.

The messages were also, Comey said, general in nature—about a commitment to jihad, rather than about specific plots.

Comey’s comments leave some important questions unanswered. The way that officials talk about internet tools is often unusual or somewhat opaque. “These communications are private direct messages, not social-media messages,” he said. Comey offered no indication he was contradicting news reports of Malik’s Facebook pledge of allegiance, though his comments could be read to do so.
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby Elvis » Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:43 pm

Wrex, Ian didn't call Mac a prick, he merely predicted a behavior on Mac's part, for which Mac had previously been suspended in similar circumstances. I agree with Mac that Ian's suspension was "a bit harsh," and considering that Ian didn't actually call Mac a prick, I think a commutation would be in order.


To the issue at hand in their exchange, Mac wrote,

I also stated something factually wrong: "No one in this thread is discussing "crisis actors" or Sandy Hook or "a massive faked tragic event" or anything of the kind." Not true, and NaturalMystik didn't start it. (Sorry again, NM.) If we haven't yet succeeded in nipping that in the bud, let's cut it it off now before it blossoms into full stinkiness.


So I think Mac agrees with Ian about introducing shoddy material into the thread, however he thought Ian's way of saying so wasn't helpful. Personally, I'm very grateful for the contributions of both Mac and Ian.
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