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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby freemason9 » Wed Feb 24, 2016 9:19 pm

82_28 » Wed Feb 24, 2016 4:53 pm wrote:I think the thing with trump is that he appeals to idiots who began life as someone who thought WWF (now WWE) wrestling shit was real. They moved onto accepting it was merely entertainment as they aged and now yearn for those old days again in the sense of how they remembered it. I don't know how many fucking kids I grew up with who loved that shit. Even at maybe 5 years old I could only take 2 minutes of that shit. Telling everyone it was fake and etc. Dump appeals to them guys. Even very young I wondered at the crowds who would even go to that shit.

Bear in mind the pacifist that I am, I like American Football. But that shit is at least 90% real -- could be fixed -- but real. Same with monster truck shows -- same difference. Same with nowadays MMA or whatever it is called brutal fighting. People talk about those guys and are fans and they know their names and records and shit. Dump knows his crowd. They span a couple generations. Grandpas, fathers, sons all thinking this is the way things are handled. Then there is the pretty girl/woman that is on the team of whatever it is that holds up signs and shit. All of the audience simultaneously believing it real and also fake. No substance, no reality (The Era of Reality TV Shows) -- a reality in and of itself but copying perpetually something that is fake. Yet it goes on. Who am I to stop it, but this attitude persists.

These are the people who dig trump. Born and raised yet never getting a proper education and accepting a fake game/match where all kinds of people could jump the ropes with a fake helpless referee trying to calm it down while the fake violence continued apace with throwing prop chairs and other shit like that.

I don't know, but that is dump's group and why he is popular. Generations of bilge and nothing to fall back on/embrace with fascination.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/don ... 136f18b745


As opposed, I guess, to appealing to idiots that think the current two-party system and it's professional politicians are serving us well.
The real issue is that there is extremely low likelihood that the speculations of the untrained, on a topic almost pathologically riddled by dynamic considerations and feedback effects, will offer anything new.
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phobia & abhorrence: '16

Postby IanEye » Wed Feb 24, 2016 9:42 pm

Please name the last person to win the presidency alongside an ongoing FBI investigation, negative favorability ratings, questions about character linked to continual flip-flops, a dubious money trail of donors, and the genuine contempt of the rival political party.


Richard Nixon.


But hey, Trump in no way resembles McGovern.
I am sure Bush and Rubio are going to work very hard to deliver Florida to Trump.

Kasich of course will do everything he can to ensure Trump gets Ohio’s electoral votes.
In fact, he’ll work so hard that Indiana’s votes will also come Trump’s way through osmosis, except if Sanders runs against Trump, in that case the magic wand of socialism will cast a spell on these same voters and they will vote blue.

And if Trump is the nominee, Hillary Clinton should drop out of the race and throw her every ounce of energy into supporting Sanders. If this does not occur, the resulting consequences for Muslims and Mexican immigrants of a Trump presidency will be fully the responsibility of Clinton and the Democratic Party.


Yes, because the very same people who hate Hillary, and would vote for Trump over her will be so psyched to see her out stumping for Sanders that they will vote for Sanders over Trump.
The author then goes on to say that if Clinton doesn’t help out Sanders in this fashion, all sorts of terrible things will be her fault, but meanwhile at no point does the author say that if Sanders doesn’t help out Clinton if she is the nominee that all sorts of terrible things will be the fault of Sanders and his acolytes.

This is some Donald Segretti level of ratfucking logic going on up in here.

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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Grizzly » Wed Feb 24, 2016 9:54 pm

^^^^ This....


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Watch out, for the, 'one eyed sister' ...

phobia & abhorrence: '16 ...indeed.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Feb 24, 2016 10:46 pm

Republican Race Puts Donald Trump and Paul Ryan on Collision Course
By JENNIFER STEINHAUERFEB. 24, 2016

Great Clash: Donald Trump vs. Paul Ryan
A look at how the current head of the Republican Party and the front-runner for the party's nomination differ on issues such as immigration, Israel and entitlements. By NATALIA V. OSIPOVA on Publish Date February 24, 2016.
WASHINGTON — Speaker Paul D. Ryan, chairman of the Republican National Convention, recent vice-presidential candidate and the highest elected Republican in the country, has one goal for this year: to form a conservative policy agenda for the Republican presidential nominee to embrace.

If that nominee is Donald J. Trump, that may be a waste of time.

Panicked Republicans question whether Mr. Trump will be able to unite a Republican-controlled Congress that would normally be expected to promote and promulgate his agenda, an internal crisis nearly unheard-of in a generation of American politics. On nearly every significant issue, Mr. Trump stands in opposition to Republican orthodoxy and his party’s policy prescriptions — the very ideas that Mr. Ryan has done more than anyone else to form, refine or promote over the last decade.

If the billionaire New York businessman captures his party’s nomination — which seemed increasingly possible after a decisive victory in Nevada on Tuesday night — he will become the titular head of the Republican Party, and lawmakers like Mr. Ryan will be expected to fall in line for the balance of the campaign. It is something that many in the party think may be impossible.


Trump and Ryan, Matter and Antimatter

As House speaker, Paul D. Ryan will chair the Republican National Convention this summer. Many of his views are diametrically opposite the frontrunner for the nomination, Donald J. Trump.


“You’re hitting on a very big problem, which is that Trump is not a Republican,” said Senator Lindsey Graham, the South Carolina Republican who dropped out of the race for the White House in December “I have no idea how we reconcile a Donald Trump agenda with a Republican agenda. How do we write a platform?”

Mr. Ryan’s positions embody the modern institutional Republican Party. He has been a crucial promoter of free trade on Capitol Hill, which Mr. Trump opposes. Mr. Ryan supports taking away money from Planned Parenthood — a central target of Republicans for years — while Mr. Trump has said the group provides needed care to women. Eminent domain, the right of the government to seize private property for public use? The concept is despised by Republicans. Mr. Trump, who has used eminent domain to try to demolish an older woman’s home in Atlantic City to build a parking lot, calls it “wonderful.”

There is more: Mr. Ryan is the architect of his party’s plan to rein in spending on entitlement programs, which Mr. Trump has said is the reason the party lost the White House in 2012, name-checking Mr. Ryan in his swipe. Mr. Ryan supports all forms of domestic energy development, but Mr. Trump has called for colonizing Iraq’s oil reserves through military intervention.


Mr. Trump’s signature issue — deporting millions of undocumented workers — also stands in contrast to Mr. Ryan’s belief that his party needs to change the current system to help some immigrants, and in the process attract them to the party. Not least, Mr. Trump said last week that he would be “a neutral guy” in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, but Mr. Ryan holds the traditional Republican position of strong support for Israel.

This week, as Mr. Trump is once again bashing conservative notions, Mr. Ryan’s House is holding a series of members-only ideas forums on poverty, health care and other issues. Mr. Ryan also gives speeches and conducts television and radio interviews pretty much wherever he goes these days. But for now, Mr. Trump has the bigger microphone.

“Everything about this cycle has presented a departure from routine,” said Kevin Madden, a Republican consultant. “In normal circumstances, you would expect the party to adjust to the nominee’s agenda. But in this case, you have a front-runner running on rhetoric, not substance.”

Though most in the Republican establishment are hoping for the dust to settle and for Senator Marco Rubio to emerge as their nominee — his Capitol Hill endorsements stack up daily — some still murmur privately that in the event of Mr. Trump’s domination, they would like to see Mr. Ryan emerge as a brokered nominee at the Republican National Convention in July.

Some Republican lawmakers say, though nervously, that there would be plenty of intersection between their agenda and Mr. Trump’s. His tax plan — which calls for large tax cuts for all Americans, especially the rich — is similar to Mr. Ryan’s. Mr. Trump, like Mr. Ryan, is all for repealing and replacing the current health care law, although he, unlike Mr. Ryan, has endorsed the individual mandate.

“In a lot of ways, it might actually be conducive to getting things done to have someone with business sense in the White House,” said Representative Mick Mulvaney, Republican of South Carolina and a leader of the conservative House Freedom Caucus.


The 2016 primaries and caucuses have begun. See results and upcoming primary dates.


Like Mr. Ryan, Mr. Trump also supports gun rights and a strong military, although Mr. Trump has broken with many Republicans with his criticism of the Iraq war.

“All of the Republican presidential candidates would be better than Hillary Clinton,” said AshLee Strong, a spokeswoman for Mr. Ryan. “And Speaker Ryan would be able to work with any one of them.”

Some even argue that Mr. Ryan, who operated in lonely political waters before his party took over the House in 2011, will adjust to the environment and try to help Republicans in congressional races who, in many states, will be fighting for their lives.

“Senate candidates will be looking for someone who is going to serve as a lodestar in the contest of ideas,” Mr. Madden said. “In that sense, Paul Ryan becomes that much more important as it relates to the important differences between Republicans and Democrats.”

History has few parallels. “Trump is kind of unusual in that he is not ideological, so it is hard to place him,” said Julian E. Zelizer, a professor at Princeton University and a specialist in American political history.

Mr. Zelizer noted that Barry Goldwater sought a much more radical abolition of government than most of the Republicans in Congress in 1964 and that in 1976, Jimmy Carter was out of step with many of the central factions of the Democratic Party, including Thomas P. O’Neill Jr., the speaker at the time.

Senator John McCain faced problems with House Republicans when he was the nominee for president in 2008, particularly after years of battles with his own party over tax cuts, campaign finance laws, embryonic stem cell research and other issues. But he brought House Republicans in line, something Mr. McCain says he is not sure Mr. Trump would accomplish. “It all depends on what he does,” Mr. McCain said in an interview. “His positions are topsy-turvy. It’s just impossible to guess.”

On the other side of the rotunda, Senator Mitch McConnell, Republican of Kentucky and the majority leader, has rejected the idea of turning Congress into a conservative think tank, opting instead for small scale, bipartisan legislation that he hopes will help vulnerable colleagues up for re-election and bolster the party’s image of making the trains run on time. That image, however, has been undermined by his decision to pre-emptively block any of Mr. Obama’s nominees for the Supreme Court. (On this, Mr. McConnell and Mr. Trump agree.)

Congressional Republicans — especially senators up for re-election in swing states — have been terrified to criticize Mr. Trump by name because they need his voters, too, in primary and possible general election battles. White-hot fear is beginning to set in.

“I finally got scared last night,” said Senator Jeff Flake, Republican of Arizona, referring to Mr. Trump’s resounding victory in the Nevada caucuses on Tuesday. “As we get closer and people get more serious, I hope more people up here speak out.”
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Rory » Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:55 am

http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com/ ... inton.html

Its nominally about Hilldawg, but is more about the systemic context for why Trump is happening this year.

Excerpt.

What the insurgent candidacies of Trump and Sanders show conclusively, in turn, is that the lesser-evil rhetoric and its fixation on “realistic” politics have just passed their pull date. There are very good reasons for this. The pursuit of the lesser evil means that the best the American people are supposed to hope for is the continuation of the current state of things—that’s what you get, after all, if your only talking points fixate on stopping things from getting worse—and for most Americans today, the current state of things is unbearable. Cratering wages and soaring rents, a legal environment that increasingly denies even basic rights to everybody but corporations and the rich, an economy rigged to load ever-increasing costs on working people while funneling all the benefits to those who already have too much—well, you can fill in the list as well as I can. If you don’t happen to belong to the privileged classes, life in today’s America is rapidly becoming intolerable, and the “realistic” politics that both parties have pursued with equal enthusiasm for decades are directly responsible for making it intolerable.

Thus the reason that a large and growing number of ordinary working Americans are refusing to accept another rehash of the status quo this time around is that their backs are to the wall. That’s a situation that comes up reliably at a certain point in the history of every society, and it’s a source of wry amusement to me that Oswald Spengler predicted the situation currently facing the United States—and, mutatis mutandis, the rest of the industrialized world as well.

Spengler’s historical analysis covers a vast amount of territory, but the point at issue here appears late in the second volume of The Decline of the West, where he sketches out the immediate future of what we call Western industrial civilization and he named the Faustian Culture. His theme was the way that democracies die. He argued that democracy suffers from a lethal vulnerability, which is that it has no meaningful defenses against the influence of money. Since most citizens are more interested in their own personal, short-term advantage than they are in the long-term destiny of their nation, democracy turns into a polite fiction for plutocracy just as soon as the rich figure out how to buy votes, a lesson that rarely takes them long to learn.

The problem with plutocracy, in turn, is that it embodies the same fixation on short-term personal advantage that gives it its entry to power, since the only goals that guide the rich in their increasingly kleptocratic rule are immediate personal wealth and gratification. Despite the ravings of economists, furthermore, it simply isn’t true that what benefits the very rich automatically benefits the rest of society as well; quite the contrary, in the blind obsession with personal gain that drives the plutocratic system, the plutocrats generally lose track of the hard fact that too much profiteering can run the entire system into the ground A democracy in its terminal years thus devolves into a broken society from which only the narrowing circle of the privileged rich derive any tangible benefit. In due time, those excluded from that circle look elsewhere for leadership.

The result is what Spengler calls Caesarism: the rise of charismatic leaders who discover that they can seize power by challenging the plutocrats, addressing the excluded majority, and offering the latter some hope that their lot will be improved. Now and then, the leaders who figure this out come from within the plutocracy itself; Julius Caesar, who contributed his family name to Spengler’s term, was a very rich man from an old-money Senatorial family, and he’s far from the only example. In 1918, Spengler predicted that the first wave of Caesarism in the Western world was about to hit, that it would be defeated by the plutocrats, and that other waves would follow. He was dead right on the first two counts, and the current election suggests that the third prediction will turn out just as accurate.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby PufPuf93 » Thu Feb 25, 2016 1:03 pm



I find Trump repulsive and a most dangerous personality and politician who feeds on ignorance and greed.

The USA has become something other than my perceptions when young, even at the worst of the Vietnam era.

Easy to be cynical. :mad2
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Thu Feb 25, 2016 2:20 pm

PufPuf93 » Thu Feb 25, 2016 12:03 pm wrote:Easy to be cynical. :mad2


Quite, especially when reality itself is so accommodating to pessimists. But only at first.

The problem is that for the sake of accuracy, you're eventually going to have to grapple with the question of whether you can be cynical enough.

Then, it gets hard again.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby backtoiam » Thu Feb 25, 2016 2:31 pm

wombat said:

The problem is that for the sake of accuracy, you're eventually going to have to grapple with the question of whether you can be cynical enough.

Then, it gets hard again.


Amen brother...
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Rory » Thu Feb 25, 2016 2:34 pm

Why is Trump so uniquely scary? I'm echoing a blog post from Scott Adams with this.

I have a colorful imagination and I can see Cruz being uniquely scary too. Dominionist, socially oppressive, and repressively harsh interpretation of the constitution. And pro big bank/business interests - because Jeebus.

Rubio would be a whore for the most predatory capital and business interests too. I could see him pandering to the social conservatives while shellacking 90% of the country by defunding social infrastructures and social safety nets.

Hilldawg is a Machiavellian schemer and would happily sell out her voters for another war/bailout/globalist trade agreement, whatever. War and bankster profiteering would be the hallmarks of her presidency.

So why is Trump the really scary one?
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Feb 25, 2016 2:36 pm

I don't think Trump will win for various reasons including those brought up by IanEye and 82_28 above -- and the fact that he starts off by telling 30% or more of the electorate by ethnicity/religion/identity that they should fuck off -- but I have come to agree with the title of this thread.

The media are going to totally serve this fucker. Even against what they think they'll be doing. An almost completely disempowered pundit class will tch-tch, and all they'll accomplish is to feed the "liberal media" myth. Meanwhile the channels will be covering his every fart 24/7, exactly as they have done until now, and he will play them exactly as he has. This is not going to change.

And don't be so sure about the Republican establishment. They like winning. They like their Senate seats. Even if they oppose him, the PAC money that inflates them in the first place will still likely do the anti-Democrat attack routine (against Sanders or Clinton), deploying at least as much money as what the campaigns will have at their disposal.

The fact remains that there is an uprising happening against the entire establishment in this country, for entirely understandable reasons, and either Trump or Sanders can benefit, but not Clinton.

And in American elections, ideology is subverted. "Vote for the crook, not the fascist" works in Europe (EDIT: HAS worked, let's see what's coming...) but in the U.S. a lot of people won't know what fascism even is, including its most ardent supporters. They will see a personalized soap opera of reality TV/professional wrestling characters fighting each other. Like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI8a9XkXn7U


Taibbi has a great article that describes what is happening very accurately, as usual for him. Plus, he understands the importance of the professional wrestling angle.

How America Made Donald Trump Unstoppable

He's no ordinary con man. He's way above average — and the American political system is his easiest mark ever


https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/n ... 224?page=3
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby backtoiam » Thu Feb 25, 2016 2:45 pm

So why is Trump the really scary one?


As far as I am concerned he is no scarier than the democratic party. He is just another crisis actor playing a role. None of these people mean what they say anyway...
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Rory » Thu Feb 25, 2016 2:48 pm

backtoiam » Thu Feb 25, 2016 6:45 pm wrote:
So why is Trump the really scary one?


As far as I am concerned he is no scarier than the democratic party. He is just another crisis actor playing a role. None of these people mean what they say anyway...


Em, thanks for the, em.. ..insight?
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby backtoiam » Thu Feb 25, 2016 2:53 pm

That could only have been "insight" for the blind...
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Feb 25, 2016 2:55 pm

Wow, you think "crisis actor" can't get any dumber...
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Nordic » Thu Feb 25, 2016 3:23 pm

I agree that Obama is far more scary than Trump. Hillary is far more scary than Trump. The other Repub candidates -- far more scary than Trump.

So why is everybody losing their collective shit over this impotent reality show blowhard?

It's very revealing. It's as if "liberal" Americans are sort of okay with the current, deeply criminal, deeply fascist government as long as they put up a professional-looking front, are very good liars, and appear to play by the rules.

Obama has been trying to start war with Russia since 2014. Where is the freak - out over that?

There is none, because he's Obama. He's a democrat. He's somehow "cool". And if Wolf Blitzer isn't screaming about how dangerous he is, well then, he must be sorta ok.

This country is LITERALLY in-fucking-sane.
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