The Church of Mateen Dunnit: A Challenge to the Faithful

[MacCruiskeen]

^^oh ffs...

Please.

[82_28]

I would imagine that anyone that can completely identify whether the "lone terrorist" shooter (wearing a mask or not) are either dead (RIP) or too busy getting the fuck out of there. I'd imagine as well it was dark as the lights hadn't been turned up yet signalling time to go. I find the reports of shots coming from multiple directions interesting (so to speak). But who really is to know? If it's an op with a larger agenda then that totally makes things more complex. This is one of those cases of I think it will never be put to rest. There will always be questions.

[MacCruiskeen]

[stefano]

the witness doesn't describe the shooter at all, he doesn't say whether he was masked or not, and he most certainly does not identify him as Omar Mateen. (The only person who uses the words "Omar Mateen" is the hack who wrote the article.)

What I find weird is your incredulity about this, given your transparently low opinion of journalists. Obviously it doesn't occur to the crime reporter at the Orlando Sentinel or anywhere else to establish whether a witness could identify Mateen. That's not his job. His job is to write some thrilling thing about hiding under bodies, getting poked with the muzzle of the rifle, hearing the screams of the wounded, smelling the blood, and all of that. The law enforcement sources give them a name, and they write the name. That's really just how it works.

And, to be honest, I don't see a reason to doubt that it was Mateen. The reasons you seem to find persuasive... aren't, in my view. Lots of suicide attackers (and run of the mill suicides) leave kids behind. Lots of psychos are afterwards described by neighbours in glowing terms of praise. People always (not often - always) remember traumatic events wrong.

Then there are the hypothetical implications of any theory that the shooter wasn't Mateen - most obviously: what did they do with him? Wouldn't witnesses say if he were white, or whatever?

Also, honestly your firm a priori conviction that no white person has ever died or will ever die in a genuine, non-orchestrated terror attack will tend to mislead you at least some of the time.

[Burnt Hill]

There are multiple reports of people at the club seeing the shooter, including one man who looks him in the eye,
and did not report a mask, easy for Mac to find if he wants to do a little work.
One person said he was a white man. One said he looked straight? No one mentions a mask.
No Mac is adamant about his stance. but puts the onus of disproving his points on the board when the burden of proof is on him.
There has been ample opportunity for those that saw a shooter at the club to come forward and say Mateen was misidentified.
Mac is being lazy and is a victim of his own confirmation bias.
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[82_28]

:ohno:

Was that facepalm meant for me? Because I do not think anyone will ever fully know for certain what actually happened. That's just the truth of the matter at hand. That's basically all I was saying.

[MacCruiskeen]

(That's for both stefano and 82_28) ON EDIT: (and that's for Burnt Hill).

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Back on-topic, if humanly possible. (Consult the OP if you've forgotten what the topic is.)

[Burnt Hill]

:ohno: (That's for both stefano and 82_28) ON EDIT: (and that's for Burnt Hill).

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Back on-topic, if humanly possible. (Consult the OP if you've forgotten what the topic is.)

That's all you got? Facepalms and ffss'?
Pretty weak.
Find your own links, they are out there.

[82_28]

Whatevs. All I was saying is that there will always exist questions. Like everything about this shit questions will always remain. I can't remember the kid's name at Columbine that was specifically told by Harris and Klebold he was free to go because they "liked" him or something. That was in 1999 and even then I never quite bought his story. Gah, what's his name? It's easy and on the tip of my finger tips. But whatever. No need to insult with the facepalm when others are hashing this shit out including yourself.

Nobody knows!

EDIT: Ah yeah. Kid's name was Brooks Brown.

[stefano]

How can you have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat?

[MacCruiskeen]

Comedy gold, stefano. Comedy gold. Admirable use of a search engine.

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Back on topic, for anyone actually capable of understanding the OP and responding rationally and relevantly to it. (There must be someone out there.)

[stefano]

Back on topic, for anyone actually capable of understanding the OP and responding rationally and relevantly to it. (There must be someone out there.)

Probably not, Mac. As you've always suspected in your heart of hearts, literally everyone on Earth except you is stupid, corrupt or lazy. Why else would anyone disagree with you?

[Burnt Hill]

[MacCruiskeen]

Reminder: 1) No one is obliged to contribute to this thread. 2) This is a thread about a very recent mass murder (ho ho) and the alleged perpetrator. 3) There is a back button on your computer,

The thread is really most illuminating already, though. It's a snapshot of the state of Rigorous Intuition in 2016. Handy for visitors (and posters) who may be trying to decide whether or not to finally give up on the place. (The comedy here used to be much better, too.)

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Seven hours on: Still no poster has provided even one (in figures: 1) eyewitness, out of the many hundreds, including three named cops/security guards who allegedly survived two separate "shootouts" with the perp at very close range. No one has even told us whether the shooter was masked, much less identified him as The Designated Culprit Omar Mateen, or even given the vaguest physical description of that still-unidentified shooter.

This is exactly what I suspected, but I am still hoping to be surprised. Please post any new information, or any info I've missed, that actually constitutes a response to the requests in the OP.

Thanks again.

[stefano]

God, what a conceited little prick you are.