Mass sexual assaults in Cologne

[Searcher08]

You both missed the point. Not sure why, but you did.

I don't think you get it. Too much ideology, recursive interpretation and no questioning of your assumptions.

[FourthBase]

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Why the eyeroll? Are most Islamic societies not grotesquely, violently misogynistic?

[MacCruiskeen]

People like FourthBase and backtoiam make me ableist.

[Iamwhomiam]

:roll:

Why the eyeroll? Are most Islamic societies not grotesquely, violently misogynistic?

Why the eye roll? I would not at all limit grotesque, violently misogynistic behaviours of men to one religion or culture.

But if you feel that inadequate, there's also this:

Not only do the military contractors make a killing giving them, ahem, 11,000 dollars to get here but also get paid big bux from the taxpayers pockets to look after their (sic) "well being."

Link, please. 63 million displaced worldwide. Which "military contractors" are doling out the money and to which emigres and from where originally, and where were they when given $11,000? To each family or each person seeking to immigrate?

This, flooding western culture with this behavior is an intentional mixture of chaos and bullshit. Ordo Ab Chao.

Of course, Masons are directly responsible for Taharrush. Proly an initiation rite.

Taharrush. Have you never heard of the White Slave trade or the trafficking of women? How about a frat gang bang?

How is it possible so many are blind to the ever-present misogyny here, where women are killed and raped, several incidents daily, and point their finger elsewhere? We are all aware of the excesses of Fundamentalists, regardless their religion, though all of the three main religions, Judaism, Islam and Christianity, all fault woman as the cause of all of mankind's ills. Women had no rights and were considered chattel in the USA until 100 years ago.

The PTB occult elite rip the contents out of an existing "vessel" (a culture, or person) by desecrating it and everything it holds dear by corrupting it and flipping everything upside down and backwards.

One example would be? Brexit?

After the guts have been ripped out of the indigenous culture and filled with debauchery and chaos they have that culture by the throat and it can be remade "in the image" of its creators. This shit is not an accident. I repeat, this shit is not accident.

Is this another of those things you "just know"? Which culture are you referring to, European or Middle Eastern?

It is almost impossible to guard against too because nobody sees it coming

I thought the Masons knew what they were doing.

Sees what coming? Debauchery? Bombs? Women in bikinis?

Tell me the next time you visit a fundamentalist church outing to a lake, how many women you see in bikinis, please.

They turned these young males loose on us and there ain't shit we can about it.

Well, I beat off a crowd of 15 just this morning, so, while I'll admit you may not be able to do anything about all those "young males they turned loose on us," please do not say there is nothing we can do about it.

Basically its a game Muslim men play in gangs when they believe they have identified a "slut" and they attempt to humiliate her like a gang rape. Usually it does not go to rape but it can. Mainly it is an attempt to humiliate the "slut" they believe they have identified.

Nice that you chose the word "slut" to define women who are seen as dishonorable, and violating religious law, according to their beliefs. Do you not know the word "blasphemers?"

Usually they just pull her pants down around her ankles, rip her clothes off, and humiliate the hell out of her. Stick their hands in her vagina, grope her, and let her go. Sometimes it goes full blown gang rape. But in their eyes she is just a "slut" right? She deserved it according to gang gropers. She should know better right?

btia, "Usually". Really, this you know. Traditional Muslim women do not wear "pants." Please provide one example that fits each of your claims made above.

But you might be referring to European women. Are you? After all, you earlier wrote,

In Europe some places are having a "women only day" at swimming pools because when the middle eastern men see a little girl in a bikini their hormones go off the chart. They go fucking wild.

I guess pools that feature "Adult Swim" hours are part of this nefarious Masonic Plot, eh?

Christ! You might not be a racist, but you sure as hell are bigoted.

And you're afraid of what you do not and cannot understand, writing it off to tptb and their magical Masons.

I hope you'll find my reasons for the eye roll satisfactory, FourthBase. Perhaps this makes sense to you, vague as the allegation is:

Then they take tax money from the host country to "fix the problem" and use the money to make it even worse, so they can take more money to fix it and make worse. Same game different century.

I have more than a few Muslim friends and a few of my non-Muslim friends have represented in the past and still do, those stung by FBI preemptive prosecutions in NY & NJ.

Someday I hope you'll find the safety you seek. What matters is how you choose to live you own life, because there's little else in this world you can do anything at all about.

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[backtoiam]

Iamwhomiam asked:

Is this another of those things you "just know"?

Yeah I would say that is fairly accurate. And damn you sure did shove a lot of words in my mouth.

[FourthBase]

How is it possible so many are blind to the ever-present misogyny here, where women are killed and raped, several incidents daily, and point their finger elsewhere? We are all aware of the excesses of Fundamentalists, regardless their religion, though all of the three main religions, Judaism, Islam and Christianity, all fault woman as the cause of all of mankind's ills. Women had no rights and were considered chattel in the USA until 100 years ago.

The false equivalency and hypocrisy and moral blindness here is off the fucking charts. You realize that, right? "Who are you to judge Nazi culture when you haven't treated Jews well all the time either?"

Would you rather have a daughter grow up in an average American fraternity or would you rather her grow up in an average Islamic village?

[FourthBase]

How is it possible so many are blind to the ever-present misogyny here, where women are killed and raped, several incidents daily, and point their finger elsewhere? We are all aware of the excesses of Fundamentalists, regardless their religion, though all of the three main religions, Judaism, Islam and Christianity, all fault woman as the cause of all of mankind's ills. Women had no rights and were considered chattel in the USA until 100 years ago.

The false equivalency and hypocrisy and moral blindness here is off the fucking charts. You realize that, right? "Who are you to judge Nazi culture when you haven't treated Jews well all the time either?"

Would you rather have a daughter grow up in an average American fraternity or would you rather her grow up in an average Islamic village?

Can you imagine if slavery were legal in Islamic cultures* and millions of Africans were enslaved and your response to the disgust and furor over it were, "Stop being a bigot**, what right do you have to focus on Muslims, remember that there are still Klansmen in America who attack black people and it was only 150 years ago when slavery was legal here, too"?

*It still is, by the way, in many. It's the unchangeable word of Allah, after all. Nobody does fundamentalism as seriously as Muslims do.

**It's just a parasitic meme system. It's not a race. I would be just as appalled by most forms of Islam if all 1.6 billion Muslims were blond blue-eyed pale-as-snow white people believing in and enforcing the same inhumane bullshit.

[brekin]

How is it possible so many are blind to the ever-present misogyny here, where women are killed and raped, several incidents daily, and point their finger elsewhere? We are all aware of the excesses of Fundamentalists, regardless their religion, though all of the three main religions, Judaism, Islam and Christianity, all fault woman as the cause of all of mankind's ills. Women had no rights and were considered chattel in the USA until 100 years ago.

The false equivalency and hypocrisy and moral blindness here is off the fucking charts. You realize that, right? "Who are you to judge Nazi culture when you haven't treated Jews well all the time either?"
Would you rather have a daughter grow up in an average American fraternity or would you rather her grow up in an average Islamic village?

The article below is worth the read. And I'll take door number 3.

The World gender gap index 2013 by country is very insightful at the link below. Take a look at the countries in the bottom 20 (out of 136), sad, especially when a country like Saudi Arabia has such an incredibly high standard of materially living. I don't doubt Christian countries have been or could be as sexist as (and a few on the bottom are mixed major religions or neither of the big 4) some of the others, and one only has to look at some affluent Asian countries (cough, Japan) and see the state of womens status, but there is a difference between equal, comparative, limited and no rights. Having said that, world powers are very good at creating, maintaining and fostering the very situations they supposedly deplore for numerous self serving reasons. A lot of colonialism/holy war/jihad/war is really men trying to create the paradise they couldn't have at home.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/databl ... iceland-uk

Arab societies suffer from deep misogyny, but the problem is not as particularly Arab or Islamic as you might think.
http://www.theatlantic.com/internationa ... te/256362/

Picture a woman in the Middle East, and probably the first thing that comes into your mind will be the hijab. You might not even envision a face, just the black shroud of the burqa or the niqab. Women's rights in the mostly Arab countries of the region are among the worst in the world, but it's more than that. As Egyptian-American journalist Mona Eltahawy writes in a provocative cover story for Foreign Policy, misogyny has become so endemic to Arab societies that it's not just a war on women, it's a destructive force tearing apart Arab economies and societies. But why? How did misogyny become so deeply ingrained in the Arab world?

As Maya Mikdashi once wrote, "Gender is not the study of what is evident, it is an analysis of how what is evident came to be." That's a much tougher task than cataloging the awful and often socially accepted abuses of women in the Arab world. But they both matter, and Eltahawy's lengthy article on the former might reveal more of the latter than she meant.

There are two general ways to think about the problem of misogyny in the Arab world. The first is to think of it as an Arab problem, an issue of what Arab societies and people are doing wrong. "We have no freedoms because they hate us," Eltahawy writes, the first of many times she uses "they" in a sweeping indictment of the cultures spanning from Morocco to the Arabian Peninsula. "Yes: They hate us. It must be said."

But is it really that simple? If that misogyny is so innately Arab, why is there such wide variance between Arab societies? Why did Egypt's hateful "they" elect only 2 percent women to its post-revolutionary legislature, while Tunisia's hateful "they" elected 27 percent, far short of half but still significantly more than America's 17 percent? Why are so many misogynist Arab practices as or more common in the non-Arab societies of sub-Saharan Africa or South Asia? After all, nearly every society in history has struggled with sexism, and maybe still is. Just in the U.S., for example, women could not vote until 1920; even today, their access to basic reproductive health care is backsliding. We don't think about this as an issue of American men, white men, or Christian men innately and irreducibly hating women. Why, then, should we be so ready to believe it about Arab Muslims?

A number of Arab Muslim feminists have criticized the article as reinforcing reductive, Western perceptions of Arabs as particularly and innately barbaric. Nahed Eltantawy accused the piece of representing Arab women "as the Oriental Other, weak, helpless and submissive, oppressed by Islam and the Muslim male, this ugly, barbaric monster." Samia Errazzouki fumed at "the monolithic representation of women in the region." Roqayah Chamseddine wrote, "Not only has Eltahawy demonized the men of the Middle East and confined them into one role, that of eternal tormentors, as her Western audience claps and cheers, she has not provided a way forward for these men." Dima Khatib sighed, "Arab society is not as barbaric as you present it in the article." She lamented the article as enhancing "a stereotype full of overwhelming generalizations [that] contributes to the widening cultural rift between our society and other societies, and the increase of racism towards us."

Dozens, maybe hundreds, of reports and papers compare women's rights and treatment across countries, and they all rank Arab states low on the list. But maybe not as close to the bottom as you'd think. A 2011 World Economic Forum report on national gender gaps put four Arab states in the bottom 10; the bottom 25 includes 10 Arab states, more than half of them. But sub-Saharan African countries tend to rank even more poorly. And so do South Asian societies -- where a population of nearly five times as many women as live in the Middle East endure some of the most horrific abuses in the world today. Also in 2011, Newsweek synthesized several reports and statistics on women's rights and quality of life. Their final ranking included only one Arab country in the bottom 10 (Yemen) and one more in the bottom 25 (Saudi Arabia, although we might also count Sudan). That's not to downplay the harm and severity of the problem in Arab societies, but a reminder that "misogyny" and "Arab" are not as synonymous as we sometimes treat them to be.

The other way to think about misogyny in the Arab world is as a problem of misogyny. As the above rankings show, culturally engrained sexism is not particular to Arab societies. In other words, it's a problem that Arab societies have, but it's not a distinctly Arab problem. The actual, root causes are disputed, complicated, and often controversial. But you can't cure a symptom without at least acknowledging the disease, and that disease is not race, religion, or ethnicity.

Some of the most important architects of institutionalized Arab misogyny weren't actually Arab. They were Turkish -- or, as they called themselves at the time, Ottoman -- British, and French. These foreigners ruled Arabs for centuries, twisting the cultures to accommodate their dominance. One of their favorite tricks was to buy the submission of men by offering them absolute power over women. The foreign overlords ruled the public sphere, local men ruled the private sphere, and women got nothing; academic Deniz Kandiyoti called this the "patriarchal bargain." Colonial powers employed it in the Middle East, sub-Saharan Africa, and in South Asia, promoting misogynist ideas and misogynist men who might have otherwise stayed on the margins, slowly but surely ingraining these ideas into the societies.

Of course, those first seeds of misogyny had to come from somewhere. The evolutionary explanations are controversial. Some say that it's simply because men are bigger and could fight their way to dominance; some that men seek to control women, and particularly female sexuality, out of a subconscious fear being of cuckolded and raising another man's child; others that the rise of the nation-state promoted the role of warfare in society, which meant the physically stronger gender took on more power. You don't hear these, or any of the other evolutionary theories, cited much. What you do hear cited is religion.

Like Christianity, Islam is an expansive and living religion. It has moved with the currents of history, and its billion-plus practitioners bring a wide spectrum of interpretations and beliefs. The colonial rulers who conquered Muslim societies were skilled at pulling out the slightest justification for their "patriarchal bargain." They promoted the religious leaders who were willing to take this bargain and suppressed those who objected. This is a big part of how misogynistic practices became especially common in the Muslim world (another reason is that, when the West later promoted secular rulers, anti-colonialists adopted extreme religious interpretations as a way to oppose them). "They enshrined their gentleman's agreement in the realm of the sacred by elevating their religious family laws to state laws," anthropologist Suad Joseph wrote in her 2000 book, Gender and Citizenship in the Middle East. "Women and children were the inevitable chips with which the political and religious leaders bargained." Some misogynist practices predated colonialism. But many of those, for example female genital mutilation, also predated Islam.

Arabs have endured centuries of brutal, authoritarian rule, and this could also play a role. A Western female journalist who spent years in the region, where she endured some of the region's infamous street harassment, told me that she sensed her harassers may have been acting in part out of misery, anger, and their own emasculation. Enduring the daily torments and humiliations of life under the Egyptian or Syrian or Algerian secret police, she suggested, might make an Arab man more likely to reassert his lost manhood by taking it out on women.

The intersection of race and gender is tough to discuss candidly. If we want to understand why an Egyptian man beats his wife, it's right and good to condemn him for doing it, but it's not enough. We also have to discuss the bigger forces that are guiding him, even if that makes us uncomfortable because it feels like we're excusing him. For decades, that conversation has gotten tripped up by issues of race and post-colonial relations that are always present but often too sensitive to address directly.

Spend some time in the Middle East or North Africa talking about gender and you might hear the expression, "My Arab brother before my Western sister," a warning to be quiet about injustice so as not to give the West any more excuses to condescend and dictate. The fact that feminism is broadly (and wrongly) considered a Western idea has made it tougher for proponents. After centuries of Western colonialism, bombings, invasions, and occupation, Arab men can dismiss the calls for gender equality as just another form of imposition, insisting that Arab culture does it differently. The louder our calls for gender equality get, the easier they are to wave away.

Eltahawy's personal background, unfortunately, might play a role in how some of her critics are responding. She lives mostly in the West, writes mostly for Western publications, and speaks American-accented English, all of which complicates her position and risks making her ideas seem as Westernized as she is. That's neither fair nor a reflection of the merit of her ideas, but it might inform the backlash, and it might tell us something about why the conversation she's trying to start has been stalled for so long.

The Arab Muslim women who criticized Eltahawy have been outspoken proponents of Arab feminism for years. So their backlash isn't about "Arab brother before Western sister," but it does show the extreme sensitivity about anything that could portray Arab misogyny as somehow particular to Arab society or Islam. It's not Eltahawy's job to tiptoe around Arab cultural anxieties about Western-imposed values, but the fact that her piece seems to have raised those anxieties more than it has awakened Arab male self-awareness is an important reminder that the exploitation of Arab women is about more than just gender. As some of Eltahawy's defenders have put it to me, the patriarchal societies of the Arab world need to be jolted into awareness of the harm they're doing themselves. They're right, but this article doesn't seem to have done it.

[MacCruiskeen]

Mini-skirts. Loose hair. Free higher education for women and men.





Then Rambo arrived to Save Afghan Women and put everything right again:

[FourthBase]

Yes, damn Ronald Reagan and Zbigniew Brzezinski and Rambo to hell for authoring the Quran and all those haditha. Bastards!

[MacCruiskeen]

You and backtoiam are the plug-ugly face and the pig-ignorant mind of the USA in the world since 2001. You are not just the moral equivalents but the intellectual inferiors of the contemporary Arab world's All-American founding fathers.

(Muslim Ladies, please form an orderly queue. They can't both sign all those autographs immediately.)

[backtoiam]

You and backtoiam are the plug-ugly face and the pig-ignorant mind of the USA in the world since 2001. You are not just the moral equivalents but the intellectual inferiors of the contemporary Arab world's All-American founding fathers.

Ladies, please form an orderly queue.

I don't see any problem with noticing the differences between cultures as far as their living habits, mores, norms, lifestyle, religions, customs, etc...

Its called "diversity" and it exists.

[FourthBase]

I mean, yes, fuck Reagan and Brzezinski and Rambo, sure, but the culture of the people we sided with in a proxy war against the Soviets might as well have been anything. It didn't matter what they were, as long as they were fighting the Soviets. If the Soviets had invaded India, then Rambo's epigraph would've been about Hindus. Tibet, then Tibetan Buddhists. The reason that culture was the particular way it was isn't because of any American plot. It's because that's what fundamentalist Islam is.

[MacCruiskeen]

Iraq, 1958-2003, before the American Liberators came to free the women:

My Sisters During the 70’s in Iraq

When my sisters tell me old stories of when they lived in Iraq, and as I flip through black and white family pictures taken in Iraq during the 60s and 70s, I am saddened that Iraqi women have fallen into the stone age. I am even more saddened that people wish to bury this devastating fact.

Throughout much of recent history, Iraq was one of the most progressive countries in the Middle East for women, with Iraqi women historically enjoying more freedoms than the women of neighboring countries. My sisters, for instance, had a membership to a neighborhood Swim Club. They went there regularly with their female friends, most of who were Muslim. They swam in unisex pools wearing modern day bathing suits. After a nice swim, they returned home unscathed.

Prior to 1920, Iraq was ruled under the Ottoman Empire for four centuries. During this time, Iraqi women had little or no rights. Under the British occupation from 1920-1958, the situation for women did not change much. It was not until 1958 that Iraq became a Republic and for the first time ever, women’s rights began to improve. That’s when the government of General Abdul-Kareem Kasim, supported by the Iraqi Communist Party, amended Personal Status Law to grant equal inheritance and divorce rights. This personal Status Law also relegated divorce, inheritance and marriage to civil, instead of religious, courts, and provided for child support.

The Iraqi Provisional Constitution (drafted in 1970 by the Baath Party) formally guaranteed equal rights to women and other laws specifically ensured their right to vote, attend school, run for political office, and own property. Enrollment of women and girls in rural areas in literacy centers under the illiteracy eradication legislation of 1979 transferred women in Iraq into a new level of education, labor, and employment. With other employment laws, the opportunities in the civil service sector, maternity benefits, and stringent laws against harassment in the work place allowed Iraqi women larger involvement in building their careers. Women attained the right to vote and run for office in 1980. In 1986 Iraq became one of the first countries to ratify the Convention on Elimination of all forms of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW).

Deterioration of women’s rights in Iraq began during the US-UN comprehensive economical sanctions imposed on Iraqis during the 1990s. The financial crippling of families resulted in an increase of female illiteracy as many families could not afford to send their children to school. In 2003, the US led invasion resulted in the most vulgar descent of the rights of women. It led them to the oppression their ancestors experienced when they were ruled by the Ottoman Empire.

Operation Iraqi Freedom has truly enslaved Iraqi women but most people don’t want to own responsibility for having created this story.

https://culturalglimpse.com/2015/01/26/ ... -old-days/

2003: Mission Accomplished


2015: Mission Still Accomplished

- Are we starting to see a pattern here?

[FourthBase]

You seem to have skipped a sentence or two when reading that article...

Prior to 1920, Iraq was ruled under the Ottoman Empire for four centuries.

Oh?

And...?

During this time, Iraqi women had little or no rights.

Hmm. I see. Gee, I wonder why.

So the Baath Party and Saddam Hussein were the ones who liberated women, eh. That's your blazing see-how-Americans-fucked-up-a-progressive-Muslim-society hot take? Such a shame that America never backed those noble women-freeing Baathists or Saddam, then. Oh, wait.