A Drone Was Used to Blow Up a US Citizen Without Trial

[Burnt Hill]

If there were Bombs, killing him then would prevent him from detonating them remotely.
And I don't approve of this robot bomb either.

[stickdog99]

If there were Bombs, killing him then would prevent him from detonating them remotely.
And I don't approve of this robot bomb either.

Why would he have to detonate them remotely? Why not plant time bombs that only he could disable remotely instead?

[seemslikeadream]

Robot drones that can both fly and move about on land would vastly improve their usefulness by increasing the areas in which they could operate. Adding wheels of sufficient size to handle most terrains, however, would adversely increase both the weight and size of such a drone. Researchers at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Lausanne (EPFL),



http://www.gizmag.com/bat-inspired-dron ... lks/35744/



Self-driving ‘ground drones’ hit the London streets: Trials of the delivery robots begin in Greenwich before they head to New York

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... z4EClanxrg

Special delivery: Ground drones coming to America

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2016 ... /80792992/

[Iamwhomiam]

brekin wrote,

Or perhaps you suggest the more humane route is to hold a town hall meeting and vote whether to ask a judge to issue a warrant for execution that the governor can sign?

Most clearly I stated what would be more humane. Why reach for the absurd?

The right to a trial judged by your peers, the right to raise a defense against the charges you have been accused of and the right to confront your accusers and question them in a court of law you have just thrown out the window, the very foundation of freedom and justice.

If you allow his rights to be abridged, don't expect any protection whatsoever of yours.

A very sad day in RI history, imo.

[Burnt Hill]

If there were Bombs, killing him then would prevent him from detonating them remotely.
And I don't approve of this robot bomb either.

Why would he have to detonate them remotely? Why not plant time bombs that only he could disable remotely instead?

Not sure I totally understand your question, but LEOs rationale would be that killing him then prevented him from detonating other bombs. Does that make sense?
Okay I get it- doing what you suggest would save his life, and have added quite another level of intrigue,
but then no other bombs were found or detonated.

[backtoiam]

Tuesday, July 12, 2016
Stanford Center Security Robot Attacks Child
Maybe if the minimum wage not so high in Palo Alto, the Stanford Security Mall would not be resorting to robot security.

A young boy got knocked down and run over by a security robot at Stanford Shopping Center, in Palo Alto, California, reports Bay Area 7. want to get the word out to prevent others from getting hurt.

The Stanford Shopping Center's security robot stands 5' tall and weighs 300 pounds.

It's designed to alert authorities of abnormal noises, sudden environmental changes, and known criminals.

But parents of 16-month-old Harwin Cheng said the robot attacked the 16-month-old.

"The robot hit my son's head and he fell down facing down on the floor and the robot did not stop and it kept moving forward," Harwin's mom Tiffany Teng said, according to Bay Area 7..

Harwin also got a scrape on his leg from the incident. "He was crying like crazy and he never cries. He seldom cries," Teng said.

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/20 ... tacks.html

[brekin]

brekin wrote,

Or perhaps you suggest the more humane route is to hold a town hall meeting and vote whether to ask a judge to issue a warrant for execution that the governor can sign?

Most clearly I stated what would be more humane. Why reach for the absurd?

The right to a trial judged by your peers, the right to raise a defense against the charges you have been accused of and the right to confront your accusers and question them in a court of law you have just thrown out the window, the very foundation of freedom and justice.

If you allow his rights to be abridged, don't expect any protection whatsoever of yours.
A very sad day in RI history, imo.

You have the right to trial if your are charged with a crime, if you are murderous and unrelenting in the carrying out of a crime you have the right to death by robot.This guy had killed multiple people, refused to surrender, and made plain over an hour long negotiation that he intended to continue and you are gnashing your teeth because he didn't have his day in court?

Only on RI would I end up arguing the law and order side, and oddly against some mutated strain of law and order. I know internet research/conspiracy mandarins would love another lone gunmen specimen preserved like Brevik or Holmes, but when one is tasked with the preserving such specimen and preventing them from killing you or others can one see why that might be a wee bit difficult to sometimes impossible if they are trying to kill you? And what rights does a mass shooter in the middle of a killing spree have that even the ACLU would say? The mass shooter is the one who is taking away everyone elses right to life and will continue to do so until stopped lethally or if possibly non-lethally, but that is a complete and utter bonus in the situation. From robot bomber to a piano being dropped on you everything is on the table in the situation. My concerns are with certain tactics and escalation of certain procedures with this precedent, not with the ends, but the means.

And what is with all these sad days on RI? I think I may have even made the same statement on here a few weeks back. Cheer up, I see trees of green...

[stickdog99]

Why don't we just issue police officers C4, hand grenades, and zylkon B, brekin? Why is the use of tear gas, mace, and tasers typically preferred?

Do you really think one guy with one gun is such a threat to an entire police force that two full hours after he is cornered and bleeding, the only way the police could possibly subdue him is by exploding a pound of C4? Even if we are to believe the police chief's story, they simply tired of this guy's singing and taunting them, so they asked Wile E Coyote how he would handle the situation.

Even if Micah did exactly what he has been accused of post-mortem, the Dallas PD extemporaneously rewrote the entire manual for the correct handling of a mass shooter simply because the victims of this specific mass shooting were cops.

Would it be fine with you had they called in an F-15 missile strike?

[Grizzly]

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/dallas ... l-analysis
The Legal and Ethical Ramifications of Letting Police Kill Suspects With Robots

This certainly needs to be talked about ...

[brekin]

Why don't we just issue police officers C4, hand grenades, and zylkon B, brekin? Why is the use of tear gas, mace, and tasers typically preferred?

Do you really think one guy with one gun is such a threat to an entire police force that two full hours after he is cornered and bleeding, the only way the police could possibly subdue him is by exploding a pound of C4? Even if we are to believe the police chief's story, they simply tired of this guy's singing and taunting them, so they asked Wile E Coyote how he would handle the situation.

Even if Micah did exactly what he has been accused of post-mortem, the Dallas PD extemporaneously rewrote the entire manual for the correct handling of a mass shooter simply because the victims of this specific mass shooting were cops.

Would it be fine with you had they called in an F-15 missile strike?

Well obviously one guy was such a threat to an entire police force because he had killed 5 of them and was still alive and in position, mentally and physically, where they couldn't reach him without possibly more dying and there were unknowns regarding more accomplices and bombs. You act like they hadn't tried all routine options when after killing 5 cops, the cops still negotiated with him for 2 hours. He could have walked out in his underwear on live television and most likely lived. And the people clamoring for tear gas, mace and tasers, tell me, would you be willing to walk over and taze him? Oh, no?, Hey where you going? But yet you are willing to risk and send in some more cops (just people like you in uniforms) into the kill box to sacrifice even more innocent people to a guy who didn't give two shits about human life and would no doubt have killed every white cop, and more than a few black, brown and yellow, in Texas had he a robot bomber army. Why? To assuage some inverted, pacifistic harm-no-fly ethos, unrealizable false conception of due process and sci-fi channel robot assassin fearing idol you have created?

I take the bait, I go to extremes: If he was like on the 15th floor of a evacuated office building Yes, I'd even be cool with the F-15 missile strike if it was the only viable option. And brothers and sisters you would do the same if you were in similar circumstances. In fact, I do not doubt some/most/all of you faced with such a horrible reality that are muttering now about excessive militarization would step over anyone in your way, grab the horn and voice cracking would shout in the order yourselves.

[Nordic]

Wait. The police chief has said "they had no choice" by to use a bomb wielding robot.

That's a lie. Because we haven't always had bomb welding robots yet somehow we survived, the bad guys didn't get away, and things worked out one way or another.

What choices would the police chief had, say, a year ago before they were so generously bestowed with this assassin robot? They would have had other choices and would have used one of them.

This isn't even worth arguing about. We've gotten by just fine in the past without assassin robots and we sure as shit don't need to start using them now.

Why are people making arguments for what not long ago were always "dystopian future" science fiction scenarios?

[Nordic]

And isn't anyone asking who paid for this fucking robot? Where did it come from? How much did it cost? How many does the Dallas PD have at their disposal? What other cities have them? Shouldn't we all be at least vaguely aware of what our tax dollars are being spent on? Is this a city purchase or a generous gift from Homeland Security? It's stupid we don't have anyone asking these fucking questions.

[stickdog99]

Why don't we just issue police officers C4, hand grenades, and zylkon B, brekin? Why is the use of tear gas, mace, and tasers typically preferred?

Do you really think one guy with one gun is such a threat to an entire police force that two full hours after he is cornered and bleeding, the only way the police could possibly subdue him is by exploding a pound of C4? Even if we are to believe the police chief's story, they simply tired of this guy's singing and taunting them, so they asked Wile E Coyote how he would handle the situation.

Even if Micah did exactly what he has been accused of post-mortem, the Dallas PD extemporaneously rewrote the entire manual for the correct handling of a mass shooter simply because the victims of this specific mass shooting were cops.

Would it be fine with you had they called in an F-15 missile strike?

Well obviously one guy was such a threat to an entire police force because he had killed 5 of them and was still alive and in position, mentally and physically, where they couldn't reach him without possibly more dying and there were unknowns regarding more accomplices and bombs.

None of this is obvious to me. I saw one cop get shot in a video, and I do not even know if the guy they killed was this shooter.

You act like they hadn't tried all routine options when after killing 5 cops, the cops still negotiated with him for 2 hours.

I don't know they negotiated with this guy for two hours. All I know is that they said he asked for a black negotiator. And they said he was just toying with them. And they said this took two hours. And one report said the negotiator also died, but we haven't heard anything about that since.

He could have walked out in his underwear on live television and most likely lived.

So you saw this standoff go down on live TV? What channel was that on?

And the people clamoring for tear gas, mace and tasers, tell me, would you be willing to walk over and taze him? Oh, no?, Hey where you going? But yet you are willing to risk and send in some more cops (just people like you in uniforms) into the kill box to sacrifice even more innocent people to a guy who didn't give two shits about human life and would no doubt have killed every white cop, and more than a few black, brown and yellow, in Texas had he a robot bomber army. Why? To assuage some inverted, pacifistic harm-no-fly ethos, unrealizable false conception of due process and sci-fi channel robot assassin fearing idol you have created?

OK. What? Come again? This was one bleeding guy armed with one gun who was now completely cornered by a 3,500 strong police force. He did not have a robot army nor tear gas nor tasers nor riot gear nor rubber bullets nor urban assault vehicles nor a crack team of expert snipers nor a full SWAT unit nor night vision goggles nor infrared illuminators nor 2 military grade armored trucks nor 3 military grade mine resistant vehicles at his disposal. In contrast, the Dallas PD could have arrayed all of that against him and a lot more. If an entire police force of 3,500, armed with enough military surplus gear to supply an entire battalion cannot subdue one suspect without tricking him into blowing himself up with a pound of C4 (supposedly encased in a cell phone?), why do we even have police?

Remember that this is the same Dallas PD that had just reported 4 shooters from elevated positions and captured several other suspects. Remember that this is same Dallas PD that still doesn't know exactly where they shot this suspect. Could they just possibly be lying about something? Could they just possibly have killed the wrong man? Could they possibly have killed an important witness to this event? Could they just possibly have killed a guy who shot just one of the slain officers but not any of the others?

More pointedly, could the entire robot/C4 story perhaps be some completely scripted bullshit to cover up a patsy setup job gone slightly awry that required a grenade to set right? Even if this is just a remote possibility, should we now just unquestioningly accept blowing suspects up as the new standard of modern law enforcement?

I take the bait, I go to extremes: If he was like on the 15th floor of a evacuated office building Yes, I'd even be cool with the F-15 missile strike if it was the only viable option. And brothers and sisters you would do the same if you were in similar circumstances. In fact, I do not doubt some/most/all of you faced with such a horrible reality that are muttering now about excessive militarization would step over anyone in your way, grab the horn and voice cracking would shout in the order yourselves.

Ah, the utter horror an army of one cornered guy with one gun facing off against an army of 3,500 armed to the teeth.

[stickdog99]

And isn't anyone asking who paid for this fucking robot? Where did it come from? How much did it cost? How many does the Dallas PD have at their disposal? What other cities have them? Shouldn't we all be at least vaguely aware of what our tax dollars are being spent on? Is this a city purchase or a generous gift from Homeland Security? It's stupid we don't have anyone asking these fucking questions.

Believe it or not, it looks as if Dallas has (or at least had) 101 of them.

Search for "Dallas robot" in the first chart of the link.

So only 100 left now.

[brekin]

Go to bed, only the damned are posting at this hour.