TRUMP is seriously dangerous

[seemslikeadream]

Instead of hinting that Trump's ads contain an evil message, why don't you state plainly what the message is? I know why - because then you can be rebutted. You want to say something without actually saying it, like all passive-aggressive people.

did you see the train overflowing with bodies?


what do you think that means?

[JackRiddler]

Just took a look at the site for that poll and by the already shaky standards of the polling industry it is a joke. They ask the same "3000 people" every day, and pretend such a group could ever remain as a "representative sample." Not that it would justify anything if 60% of the actual voters were suddenly demented and suicidal enough to vote for Trump.

[seemslikeadream]

Donald Trump’s companies have at least $650 million in debt and one of the lenders is the Bank of China


NANCY DILLON
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Saturday, August 20, 2016, 1:41 PM
He's called himself the king of debt, and he wasn't kidding.

Donald Trump's domestic real estate holdings hold IOUs that tip the scales at no less than $650 million — twice the amount made apparent on public filings he's submitted during his presidential run, the New York Times reported Saturday.

And while Trump has railed against China during his bid for the White House, the leveraged loudmouth owns 30% of an office building on Sixth Ave. in Manhattan that counts Bank of China as one four lenders securing a $950 million loan, the Times reported.

Another lender in that quartet is Goldman Sachs, the financial firm that Trump says his Democratic rival Hillary Clinton is beholden to because it paid her $675,000 in speaking fees, the Times said.

The newspaper hired property search firm RedVision Systems to delve into Trump's opaque maze of real estate holdings and help sort out his stakes in residential properties, hotels, golf courses, office buildings - even a vineyard - from coast to coast.

The investigation sifted through Federal Election Commission filings, information provided by the Trump Organization and public filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Trump so far has declined to disclose his individual tax returns or let an independent firm confirm his claims his personal worth exceeds $10 billion.

Estimates by Forbes, Fortune and Bloomberg have pegged his personal wealth at less than $5 billion.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politic ... -1.2759105

[seemslikeadream]

FBI Investigating U.S. Ties To Alleged Corruption By Former Ukraine President

The alleged scandal reportedly involves Paul Manafort, who recently resigned as chairman of the Trump campaign.
08/20/2016 09:54 am ET

An investigation is underway to determine if U.S. companies and the financial system were used to enable corruption by the party of former pro-Russian Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych, pictured here.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The FBI and U.S. Justice Department are investigating possible U.S. ties to alleged corruption involving the former president of Ukraine, including the work of firms headed by political operatives Paul Manafort and Tony Podesta, CNN reported on Friday, citing multiple U.S. law enforcement officials.

The broad-based investigation was looking into whether U.S. companies and the financial system were used to enable corruption by the party of former pro-Russian Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych, CNN said.

A person who answered a telephone number for Manafort said Manafort was not available for comment. The person, who said he was an associate of Manafort and who gave his name only as David, referred queries to a lawyer in Washington, who did not immediately respond to a phone call and an email.

In response to a report in the New York Times on Monday, Manafort denied any impropriety in a statement. “I have never received a single ‘off-the-books cash payment’ as falsely ‘reported’ by The New York Times, nor have I ever done work for the governments of Ukraine or Russia,” he said.

The New York Times reported that he had received cash payments worth more than $12 million over five years that were itemized on secret ledgers belonging to Yanukovich’s Party of Regions.

Manafort, who resigned as chairman of Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump’s campaign on Friday, had not been the focus of the probe, CNN said, citing the officials.

The probe was looking at the work of other firms linked to the former Ukrainian government, including the Podesta Group, a lobbying and public relations company headed by Tony Podesta, whose brother John Podesta is chairman of the campaign to elect Democratic Party presidential nominee Hillary Clinton.

Manafort’s attorney Richard Hibey did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

The FBI declined to comment, CNN reported.

The Podesta Group has hired an independent legal firm to investigate whether it had been misled by the Centre for a Modern Ukraine, a not-for-profit group linked to the ousted Ukrainian government, a spokeswoman for the group said in a statement.

The Justice Department, asked to comment on the report, said it remained “committed to helping recover stolen assets on behalf of the people of Ukraine.”

Investigators in Ukraine have said Yanukovych and his party engaged in widespread corruption. He fled to Russia following a popular uprising in 2014.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/fbi ... 513688b81c

Friday, 19 August 2016 | MYT 7:03 PM
Ukrainian MP offers more details on alleged payments to Trump campaign chief

BY PAVEL POLITYUK

KIEV (Reuters) - A Ukrainian lawmaker on Friday divulged more details of what he said were payments made to Donald Trump's campaign chief in the U.S. presidential race by the political party of the Kremlin-backed former Ukrainian leader Viktor Yanukovich.

MP Serhiy Leshchenko said money was allocated for Trump aide Paul Manafort to finance services such as carrying out exit polls at elections, buying computers and conducting research. The largest single payment was $3.5 million.

Manafort has denied allegations - first made in the New York Times on Monday - that he received cash payments worth more than $12 million over five years that were itemised on secret ledgers belonging to Yanukovich's Party of Regions.

Ukrainian anti-corruption investigators have corroborated the existence of what they called a "black ledger" of payments made by Yanukovich's party but stressed that they could not establish whether Manafort himself received money.

Leshchenko, a member of President Petro Poroshenko's parliamentary faction, called on Ukrainian authorities to send a request for assistance to Washington to investigate Manafort.

"Manafort didn't work for free in Ukraine, he served the Party of Regions for over 10 years and it is clear that his work was paid," Leshchenko told a news conference.

"The money was transferred in cash and it is impossible to trace the transactions, but I have no doubt as to the authenticity of these documents," he said.

"If Mr Manafort denies any allegations, I think he has to be interrogated into this case and prove his position that he was not involved," Leshchenko added.

Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton's campaign has previously said the allegations were evidence of "more troubling connections between Donald Trump's team and pro-Kremlin elements in Ukraine".

Trump, a Republican, has spoken favourably in the past of Russian President Vladimir Putin. Last month, he invited Russian hackers to find "missing" emails from Clinton's time as secretary of state, when she used a private email server to conduct government business, although he later described that call as sarcasm.

In response to the earlier report in the New York Times, Manafort denied any impropriety in a statement on Monday. "I have never received a single 'off-the-books cash payment' as falsely 'reported' by The New York Times, nor have I ever done work for the governments of Ukraine or Russia," he said.

Trump overhauled his top political team this week, demoting Manafort, who was brought on as campaign chief in June to professionalise its approach but struggled to get the wealthy businessman to rein in his freewheeling ways.

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/world/20 ... ign-chief/

[Wombaticus Rex]

Amazing how all the big Trump scandals ... seem to involve Hillary's network, too.

I'm sure there's nothing to infer here, though, except for how wily and devious those Russian bad guys are.

[JackRiddler]

Amazing how all the big Trump scandals ... seem to involve Hillary's network, too.

I'm sure there's nothing to infer here, though, except for how wily and devious those Russian bad guys are.

The power elite is a small world, Rex. Not a 1%, but more like a 100,000, depending how you count. Small town, in fact. I think you only need two degrees of Kevin Bacon to get from one of them to any other. Which definitely says something. Who high up in Hillary's network isn't one or two business associations away from Bush's, or Bush's from Trump's, or any of them from Dimon's, or Buffett's? Go to Davos and see a goodly chunk of them, if you can get in. All of them feeding at a few hundred or a couple of thousand troughs, once you defrag all the organizational cover and devious money routes.

[Harvey]

Amazing how all the big Trump scandals ... seem to involve Hillary's network, too.

I'm sure there's nothing to infer here, though, except for how wily and devious those Russian bad guys are.

The power elite is a small world, Rex. Not a 1%, but more like a 100,000, depending how you count. Small town, in fact. I think you only need two degrees of Kevin Bacon to get from one of them to any other. Which definitely says something. Who high up in Hillary's network isn't one or two business associations away from Bush's, or Bush's from Trump's, or any of them from Dimon's, or Buffett's? Go to Davos and see a goodly chunk of them, if you can get in. All of them feeding at a few hundred or a couple of thousand troughs, once you defrag all the organizational cover and devious money routes.

How small?

[seemslikeadream]

Amazing how all the big Trump scandals ... seem to involve Hillary's network, too.

I'm sure there's nothing to infer here, though, except for how wily and devious those Russian bad guys are.

same story from Breitbart...different take...Manafort's "firm" didn't get mentioned till the last sentence

move over Fox News .....there's a new player in town

FBI, DOJ launch Probe into Firm of Clinton Campaign Chairman John Podesta


by JEROME HUDSON20 Aug 201628

The FBI and Justice Department have launched an investigation into whether the Podesta Group, the lobbying and public relations firm co-founded by Hillary Clinton presidential campaign chairman John Podesta, has any connections to alleged corruption that occurred in the administration of former President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych.
The federal probe is, CNN reports, “examining the work of other firms linked to the former Ukrainian government, including that of the Podesta Group.”

The Podesta Group, run by John Podest’s brother Tony Podesta, was retained by the Russia-controlled firm UraniumOne in 2012, 2014, and 2015, to lobby Hillary Clinton’s State Department. The lobbying firm was paid a total of $180,000 according to public records.

Yanukovych took office in February 2010. He was forced to flee to Russian after a political uprising in Ukraine. Federal prosecutors are probing the work Yanukovych’s regime paid the Podesta Group to do while he was the head of the Ukrainian government.

As it was first detailed in the New York Times bestselling book Clinton Cash, Uranium One — which hired the Podesta Group — is the firm that funneled millions to the Clinton Foundation as the Russian government gained ownership of the company.

According to the New York Times, Russian President Vladimir Putin had a “goal of controlling much of the global uranium supply chain.”

The Times reported last April:

As the Russians gradually assumed control of Uranium One in three separate transactions from 2009 to 2013, Canadian records show, a flow of cash made its way to the Clinton Foundation. Uranium One’s chairman used his family foundation to make four donations totaling $2.35 million. Those contributions were not publicly disclosed by the Clintons, despite an agreement Mrs. Clinton had struck with the Obama White House to publicly identify all donors. Other people with ties to the company made donations as well.

“And shortly after the Russians announced their intention to acquire a majority stake in Uranium One, Mr. Clinton received $500,000 for a Moscow speech from a Russian investment bank with links to the Kremlin that was promoting Uranium One stock,” the Times report said.

According to the Daily Caller, Uranium One “paid the Podesta Group $40,000 to lobby the State Department, the Senate, the National Park Service, and the National Security Council for ‘international mining projects,’ according to a July 20, 2012 filing.”

Distancing itself from the work it did for an organization with ties to Yanukovych’s pro-Russian regime, the Podesta group said it hired lawyers to examine its relationship with the organization linked to the ousted Ukrainian president.

“The firm has retained Caplin & Drysdale as independent, outside legal counsel to determine if we were misled by the Centre for a Modern Ukraine or any other individuals with regard to the Centre’s potential ties to foreign governments or political parties,” a Podesta Group statement said, according to CNN. The statement continued:

When the Centre became a client, it certified in writing that ‘none of the activities of the Centre are directly or indirectly supervised, directed, controlled, financed or subsidized in whole or in part by a government of a foreign country or a foreign political party.’ We relied on that certification and advice from counsel in registering and reporting under the Lobbying Disclosure Act rather than the Foreign Agents Registration Act. We will take whatever measures are necessary to address this situation based on Caplin & Drysdale’s review, including possible legal action against the Centre.

The FBI and DOJ investigation is also examining former Donald Trump presidential campaign manager Paul Manafort’s firm, according to CNN.

Spokesman from the federal agencies as well as Manafort’s firm have not commented on the ongoing investigation.

[seemslikeadream]

For millennial voters, the Clinton vs. Trump choice ‘feels like a joke’

Though a few people voiced admiration for Clinton, most talked about both her and Trump in searing, caustic words: Super villain. Evil. Chameleon. Racist. Criminal. Egomaniac. Narcissist. Sociopath. Liar. Lying cutthroat. Panderer. Word salad. Willy-nilly. Douche. Joker. Troll. Oompa Loompa. Sad. Absurd. Horrifying. Dishonest. Disgusting. Dangerous. Disaster.

The election “seems like it’s a prank, but it’s not a prank,” said Kyle Forster, 21, a student at the University of Wisconsin at Whitewater.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html

[Nordic]

A joke?



H/t to NeonLX

[JackRiddler]

Sure, a joke. A bad one. The one you posted (Voldemord vs. Umbrage) is a very good one by comparison.

Harvey, I said I figured about 100,000 of the America-centered part of a global ruling class and operative power elite (qualifying would be billionaires, acting heads of old fortunes and trusts, 10 or 20 thousand rotating chairs as politicians, bureaucrats, policy makers, lobbyists, think-tankers and academics, another that many in the top positions at banks, hedge funds and a few hundred corporations with the six media corps as key, a few dozen legal and PR firms, a few dozen key foundations, another few hundred "key" journalists if that many, another 10 or 20 thousand in the deep state and its main contractors... a lot of key staff...)

By calling it a small world I'm not being dismissive or saying their interconnectedness is "just" coincidental. Quite the contrary.

[SonicG]

Speaking of the underworld...Can anybody really "save" coal at this point?

Alienated and Angry, Coal Miners See Donald Trump as Their Only Choice

POWELLTON, W.Va. — Deep in the belly of an Appalachian mountain, a powerful machine bored into the earth, its whirring teeth clawing out a stream of glistening coal. Men followed inside the Maple Eagle No. 1 mine, their torches cutting through the dank air. One guided the machine with a PlayStation-like controller; others bolted supports in the freshly cut roof.

They were angry. The coal industry that made West Virginia prosperous has been devastated. Every day, it seemed, another mine laid off workers or closed entirely. Friends were forfeiting their cars, homes and futures.

For these men, this season’s presidential campaign boils down to a single choice. “I’m for Trump,” said Dwayne Riston, 27, his face smeared in dust. “Way I see it, if he wins, we might at least stand a chance of surviving.”

Few places in America offer such a simple electoral calculus as the rolling, tree-studded hills of West Virginia.

Even as Donald J. Trump, the Republican presidential nominee, lags badly in crucial swing states and loses his grip on white male voters over all, he remains on solid ground here with his promise to “bring back coal.” The fact that his Democrat opponent, Hillary Clinton, said in March, “We’re going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business,” has helped, too.

But this is not just about economics. West Virginia’s coal country is part of the broader white, working-class vote that has coalesced around a single candidate, Mr. Trump, like never before. His support here stems from a profound, decades-in-the-making sense of political and cultural alienation that has left people feeling distant from their leaders, and even from fellow Americans.

“I kind of feel that people are looking down on us,” said Neil Hanshew, a miner, voicing a common sentiment. “They’re looking at us like we’re a bunch of dumb hillbillies who can’t do anything else.”

...
[money shot]
Mr. Trump and his running mate, Gov. Mike Pence of Indiana, have yet to explain how they will revive the coal industry. Aside from the Obama administration’s tough environmental regulations, the decline of coal is a product of hard economic realities: Natural gas, produced by new fracking technologies, is simply much cheaper.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/20/world ... &smtyp=cur

[PufPuf93]

Speaking of the underworld...Can anybody really "save" coal at this point?

Alienated and Angry, Coal Miners See Donald Trump as Their Only Choice

POWELLTON, W.Va. — Deep in the belly of an Appalachian mountain, a powerful machine bored into the earth, its whirring teeth clawing out a stream of glistening coal. Men followed inside the Maple Eagle No. 1 mine, their torches cutting through the dank air. One guided the machine with a PlayStation-like controller; others bolted supports in the freshly cut roof.

They were angry. The coal industry that made West Virginia prosperous has been devastated. Every day, it seemed, another mine laid off workers or closed entirely. Friends were forfeiting their cars, homes and futures.

For these men, this season’s presidential campaign boils down to a single choice. “I’m for Trump,” said Dwayne Riston, 27, his face smeared in dust. “Way I see it, if he wins, we might at least stand a chance of surviving.”

Few places in America offer such a simple electoral calculus as the rolling, tree-studded hills of West Virginia.

Even as Donald J. Trump, the Republican presidential nominee, lags badly in crucial swing states and loses his grip on white male voters over all, he remains on solid ground here with his promise to “bring back coal.” The fact that his Democrat opponent, Hillary Clinton, said in March, “We’re going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business,” has helped, too.

But this is not just about economics. West Virginia’s coal country is part of the broader white, working-class vote that has coalesced around a single candidate, Mr. Trump, like never before. His support here stems from a profound, decades-in-the-making sense of political and cultural alienation that has left people feeling distant from their leaders, and even from fellow Americans.

“I kind of feel that people are looking down on us,” said Neil Hanshew, a miner, voicing a common sentiment. “They’re looking at us like we’re a bunch of dumb hillbillies who can’t do anything else.”

...
[money shot]
Mr. Trump and his running mate, Gov. Mike Pence of Indiana, have yet to explain how they will revive the coal industry. Aside from the Obama administration’s tough environmental regulations, the decline of coal is a product of hard economic realities: Natural gas, produced by new fracking technologies, is simply much cheaper.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/20/world ... &smtyp=cur

There is a large volume of cheap and high quality coal coming into the southeastern and northeaster USA from Colombia,

Drummond Coal, head quartered in AL, has closed all but one of their domestic coal mines and operate two large coal mines and associated railroad and port facility in Colombia that serve the USA and Europe.

Some USA power plants are delaying the switch over to natural gas from coal because of the cheap and high quality Colombian coal.

[Freitag]

I didn't need no media studies degree, I learned TV at a young age, probably not unlike you.

Instead of hinting that Trump's ads contain an evil message, why don't you state plainly what the message is? I know why - because then you can be rebutted. You want to say something without actually saying it, like all passive-aggressive people.

Do you need someone to explain to you the meaning of an ad that shows hordes of brown people taking your social security payments (but then being chased out of the country by Trump's helicopters), an ad which then ends with an inspiring aircraft carrier?

Why are you so focused on skin color? I'm sorry that geography doesn't allow the U.S. to share a border with Poland or some other poor white country so we could escape your accusations of racism. Why can't you accept that illegal immigration is a problem in and of itself regardless of race? You just know everyone's deep dark motives, don't you.

people such as yourself, who try to throw a lampshade over racism

Ah the racism card. Tossed out so casually over the internet to someone you don't know. That shit needs to stop.

(ETA: Stop with the "English only" BS, you know I study foreign languages, Spanish being the one I am most fluent in.)

[Freitag]

Instead of hinting that Trump's ads contain an evil message, why don't you state plainly what the message is? I know why - because then you can be rebutted. You want to say something without actually saying it, like all passive-aggressive people.

did you see the train overflowing with bodies?


what do you think that means?

I watched it again and didn't see that part. All I saw was an ad about illegal immigration and terrorism, two subjects that Trump has been vocal about. I didn't see any subliminal voodoo.