NASA Satellite stops on a dime!? WTF!!!

Moderators: Elvis, DrVolin, Jeff

Re: NASA Satellite stops on a dime!? WTF!!!

Postby maco144 » Sun Sep 04, 2016 9:44 am

82_28 » Sat Sep 03, 2016 10:02 am wrote:Why? Flat Earth stuff is nonsense. And don't be bashful with spelling the word "fuck" if that's what you mean.
I'm sure you've flown in a plane right? I always get a window seat to gaze out at the curvature of the Earth.


Any perceived curvature is due to the curve of the window and your own mental model. It is an observable fact that the horizon always rises to match the observers eye level. So when you are that high up in a plane you should be looking down the side of the ball globe and the horizon should not be flat and level off in the distance. If you cannot rectify how the horizon always rises with the observer on the globe model, then the model has issues. Flat earth model has no such conundrum.

Image
maco144
 
Posts: 128
Joined: Tue Nov 03, 2015 11:21 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: NASA Satellite stops on a dime!? WTF!!!

Postby maco144 » Sun Sep 04, 2016 10:00 am

82_28 » Sun Sep 04, 2016 3:42 am wrote::ohno:

Tall ships have very high masts with the hull being in a constant state of floating. If you see one slip over the horizon that means you have seen the vanishing point due to the curvature of the Earth.


I have proven via video and theory that the disappearance is due to two undeniable factors being limits of sight and law of perspective. You are choosing to ignore both and present a model without any evidence while insisting it to be true.
maco144
 
Posts: 128
Joined: Tue Nov 03, 2015 11:21 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: NASA Satellite stops on a dime!? WTF!!!

Postby 82_28 » Sun Sep 04, 2016 10:10 am

Dude! Don't you realize that limits of sight are directly due to the horizon?

Here's one! We used to drive through flat assed Kansas and you would see the tops of the mountains start popping up when we were heading home. You saw the tops first with plenty of ground -- hundreds of miles worth of before you could see the base of the front range. Explain seeing the mountains from hundreds of miles away and yet not their bases? Interested to hear. Thanks!
There is no me. There is no you. There is all. There is no you. There is no me. And that is all. A profound acceptance of an enormous pageantry. A haunting certainty that the unifying principle of this universe is love. -- Propagandhi
User avatar
82_28
 
Posts: 11194
Joined: Fri Nov 30, 2007 4:34 am
Location: North of Queen Anne
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: NASA Satellite stops on a dime!? WTF!!!

Postby 82_28 » Sun Sep 04, 2016 10:18 am

Image

Hey. Where are the rest of the mountains you should be able to see? Pike's Peak sticks out because it is closer to the horizon from this perspective. Another 30 minutes the rest of them start popping up. Then the buildings downtown.
There is no me. There is no you. There is all. There is no you. There is no me. And that is all. A profound acceptance of an enormous pageantry. A haunting certainty that the unifying principle of this universe is love. -- Propagandhi
User avatar
82_28
 
Posts: 11194
Joined: Fri Nov 30, 2007 4:34 am
Location: North of Queen Anne
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: NASA Satellite stops on a dime!? WTF!!!

Postby maco144 » Sun Sep 04, 2016 10:21 am

This video does an excellent job explaining what causes the tides & corioils effect
maco144
 
Posts: 128
Joined: Tue Nov 03, 2015 11:21 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: NASA Satellite stops on a dime!? WTF!!!

Postby maco144 » Sun Sep 04, 2016 10:31 am

[quote="82_28 » Sun Sep 04, 2016 10:18 am"

Hey. Where are the rest of the mountains you should be able to see? Pike's Peak sticks out because it is closer to the horizon from this perspective. Another 30 minutes the rest of them start popping up. Then the buildings downtown.[/quote]

Get a telescope and youd be able to see the missing part of the mountain.
maco144
 
Posts: 128
Joined: Tue Nov 03, 2015 11:21 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: NASA Satellite stops on a dime!? WTF!!!

Postby 82_28 » Sun Sep 04, 2016 10:45 am

Bro, do you know anything of the geography of Colorado? The fucking Rockies have dozens of "fourteeners". Pike's just happens to be further east hence its closeness to the horizon. It is a line of mountains, scro. A whole mountain range and all around the same height. Why is only one evident in that photo? Because the curvature of the Earth. This is so damn easy to understand.
There is no me. There is no you. There is all. There is no you. There is no me. And that is all. A profound acceptance of an enormous pageantry. A haunting certainty that the unifying principle of this universe is love. -- Propagandhi
User avatar
82_28
 
Posts: 11194
Joined: Fri Nov 30, 2007 4:34 am
Location: North of Queen Anne
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: NASA Satellite stops on a dime!? WTF!!!

Postby smoking since 1879 » Sun Sep 04, 2016 10:51 am

hey maco144, i got a question...

if the earth is flat, what's living on the top side?
"Now that the assertive, the self-aggrandising, the arrogant and the self-opinionated have allowed their obnoxious foolishness to beggar us all I see no reason in listening to their drivelling nonsense any more." Stanilic
smoking since 1879
 
Posts: 509
Joined: Mon Apr 20, 2009 10:20 pm
Location: CZ
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: NASA Satellite stops on a dime!? WTF!!!

Postby 82_28 » Sun Sep 04, 2016 10:55 am

Oh don't worry about anything telescope wise. I have spent many a night in those very mountains you cannot see in that photo with my telescope. So if you have a telescope how is it that the Earth is round is lost on you?
There is no me. There is no you. There is all. There is no you. There is no me. And that is all. A profound acceptance of an enormous pageantry. A haunting certainty that the unifying principle of this universe is love. -- Propagandhi
User avatar
82_28
 
Posts: 11194
Joined: Fri Nov 30, 2007 4:34 am
Location: North of Queen Anne
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: NASA Satellite stops on a dime!? WTF!!!

Postby dada » Sun Sep 04, 2016 1:57 pm

The globe is big. People and planes are small. Flying at 30k feet is barely getting above the surface of the planet. Five or six miles is not very far, I think we can all agree on that. The horizon naturally still looks like the horizon.

You can just use your mind for this one. Picture an apple one mile in diameter. Put a little ant on it. Apple looks flat from ant's perspective. Now bring ant ten, twenty feet away from apple. Apple still looks flat to ant.

Or maybe we're not supposed to trust our own imaginations.

So when was this flat earth with no stars universe created? I'm guessing around six thousand years ago.
Both his words and manner of speech seemed at first totally unfamiliar to me, and yet somehow they stirred memories - as an actor might be stirred by the forgotten lines of some role he had played far away and long ago.
User avatar
dada
 
Posts: 2600
Joined: Mon Dec 24, 2007 12:08 am
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: NASA Satellite stops on a dime!? WTF!!!

Postby DrEvil » Sun Sep 04, 2016 3:04 pm

maco144 » Sun Sep 04, 2016 5:57 am wrote:
DrEvil » Fri Sep 02, 2016 7:57 pm wrote:
maco144 » Fri Sep 02, 2016 10:31 pm wrote:The point of the videos was to demonstrate that when distances get great, due to the law of perspective the top of the boat appears before the bottom. The hull is in the water, which has a horizon much closer to than that of the sail which 'touches' the much farther horizon than that of the sky. To say that the ship disappears exclusively due to being on a globe means you must also simultaneously believe the law of perspective does not apply. A similar viewpoint you must hold then is that all train tracks converge to a single point on the horizon.

How do you know gravity is real? The entire concept of it is nonsensical.


If gravity is not real then how do you explain that we don't float off into space? Why do we have weight?

Edit: Also - how do you explain that you can clearly see the curve of the Earth if you're standing on a beach looking out at the ocean (no planes or windows involved)?
"I only read American. I want my fantasy pure." - Dave
User avatar
DrEvil
 
Posts: 4142
Joined: Mon Mar 22, 2010 1:37 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: NASA Satellite stops on a dime!? WTF!!!

Postby AlienSpaceBat » Sun Sep 04, 2016 5:00 pm

maco144 » 04 Sep 2016 14:21 wrote:This video does an excellent job explaining what causes the tides & corioils effect


So, tides are caused by electromagnetic effects from the sun and moon acting on water.

If only someone could invent some kind of instrumentation able to measure electric and magnetic fields. It would then become possible to find out the strength of the fields at spring and neap tides; until that happens I suppose we will have to rely on youtube videos of syringes.
binary thinking leaves only 10 alternatives
AlienSpaceBat
 
Posts: 79
Joined: Sun Dec 11, 2005 9:48 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: NASA Satellite stops on a dime!? WTF!!!

Postby maco144 » Sun Sep 04, 2016 7:10 pm

82_28 » Sun Sep 04, 2016 10:45 am wrote:Bro, do you know anything of the geography of Colorado? The fucking Rockies have dozens of "fourteeners". Pike's just happens to be further east hence its closeness to the horizon. It is a line of mountains, scro. A whole mountain range and all around the same height. Why is only one evident in that photo? Because the curvature of the Earth. This is so damn easy to understand.


My understanding of what you're saying is that the closest peak is visible before the more distant westward peaks. You're stating two things: this is conclusive evidence of a globe and the law of perspective doesn't apply. My assertion is that the law of perspective adequately explains what you see and that it cannot be determined from seeing that peak that it rests on a globe.
maco144
 
Posts: 128
Joined: Tue Nov 03, 2015 11:21 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: NASA Satellite stops on a dime!? WTF!!!

Postby Novem5er » Sun Sep 04, 2016 8:05 pm

What law of perspective are we talking about here? The only "law" I know (a rule, really) is that parallel lines will visually converge to a single point at a far enough distance. This is useful for looking at (or drawing) train tracks, but I'm not sure how it applies to a mountain.

If the earth was flat, then we'd be able to take a powerful telescope in LA and look westward over the Pacific and see Mr. Fuji in Japan. I guess we could say that only "Round Earthers" control the powerful telescopes of the world, and they wont let us use them - but that goes back to the whole trust issue again, doesn't it?

What about explorers? Surely, a Flat Earther has tried to get to The Edge. Is it barricaded or guarded in someway?
User avatar
Novem5er
 
Posts: 893
Joined: Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:12 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: NASA Satellite stops on a dime!? WTF!!!

Postby maco144 » Sun Sep 04, 2016 8:10 pm

dada » Sun Sep 04, 2016 1:57 pm wrote:The globe is big. People and planes are small. Flying at 30k feet is barely getting above the surface of the planet. Five or six miles is not very far, I think we can all agree on that. The horizon naturally still looks like the horizon.

You can just use your mind for this one. Picture an apple one mile in diameter. Put a little ant on it. Apple looks flat from ant's perspective. Now bring ant ten, twenty feet away from apple. Apple still looks flat to ant.

Or maybe we're not supposed to trust our own imaginations.

So when was this flat earth with no stars universe created? I'm guessing around six thousand years ago.


I agree with being a few miles above not being very high at all. When do you think the height should have relevance? You can watch rocket videos go 3-4x higher than a plane does and will still observe the same things being the horizon always rises to the eye and there is no visible view down the side of a globe.

On a globe one thing that would be clearly noticeable from a distance is that buildings such as skyscrapers would be angled away from the observer. If you were the ant on the apple and you were approaching Antropolis at the distance you first saw them until you got relatively close they would be tilted away from you as they would lie on the curve. We only perceive buildings as being completely vertical from afar because the earth is flat.

As to the age of the earth, I do not have any insight or even much speculation.
maco144
 
Posts: 128
Joined: Tue Nov 03, 2015 11:21 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

PreviousNext

Return to General Discussion

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 36 guests