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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby Sounder » Mon Sep 19, 2016 4:32 pm

Thanks AD, keep showing your humanity as you chant 'Assad must go'.

The entitlement that your (western exceptionalist) ilk display with it's insistence on choosing the 'leaders' for other nations just boggles my mind.

Admit it AD you support the bombing of an Arab state, and done under false pretenses to boot, while fabricating a narrative that covers up the intentional nature of the act.

But perhaps the lies are necessary to achieve the noble ends. Sorry no, lies just breed more lies leading to breakdown as the collective fantasy veers further away from reality.
All these things will continue as long as coercion remains a central element of our mentality.
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby slimmouse » Mon Sep 19, 2016 6:29 pm

Thanks for the above sounder. One of the most intelligent observations of a slug that I ever witnessed..

Jack, what fucking planet are you on?
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby DrEvil » Mon Sep 19, 2016 7:28 pm

AD posted:
I spent the 8 months last year living amongst Syrian refugees based in Turkey, hearing their stories, working side by side in various legal and illegal struggles, and trying to understand what this whole situation meant for my politics as an antifa and a peacebuilder. That time catalyzed and crystallized my understanding of the need for an essay on these topics.


This is a parody, right?
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby American Dream » Mon Sep 19, 2016 8:40 pm

http://countervortex.org/node/15043

Syria: genocidal regime troops' lives matter

Submitted by Bill Weinberg on Sun, 09/18/2016 - 21:47

This is about as sick as it gets. US air-strikes in Syria's Deir al-Zour governorate, aimed at ISIS positions, accidentally wiped out 62 Assad regime troops. The White House immediately issued a statement expressing "regret" for the "unintentional loss of life." Prompted by Russia, the UN Security Council has called an emergency meeting to discuss the incident. A US official even said "condolence payments" would be offered to the families of the slain troops. (BBC News, The Guardian, CNN's Barbara Starr via Twitter, Sept. 17)

Over a quarter million dead in Syria, and the first emergency Security Council meeting—and the first we've heard of any "condolence payments"—is when some troops of the genocidal regime get accidentally wiped out. We heard of no such "condolence payment" offers after US air-strikes accidentally wiped out scores of civilians at Manbij in July (itself small change compared to the massive, daily and intentional regime and Russian bombardment of civilians). If this does not make the the US tilt to Assad crystal-clear, nothing will.

However, this latter possibility is not to be dismissed, as it has recently come to our attention that some deluded "anti-war activists" in the US are paying so little attention to the actual facts in Syria, that they even think the US has been bombing the Assad regime! In fact, this constitutes the very first time the US has bombed any Assad regime forces—and it was an accident, quickly apologized for. (See EA Worldview, Sept. 18)

There's something superficially counter-intuitive about the US offering condolence payments to families of the same forces it is ostensibly arming the Free Syrian Army to fight. But emphasis on the "ostensibly." Those who are paying attention are aware that the US is actually constraining the rebel forces from fighting the regime as the cost of receiving aid, insisting they fight only ISIS. Rebels have even had to cede territory to the regime in order to keep the US aid coming—and caught in a pincer between Assad to the west and ISIS to the east, have had little choice.

And these same "anti-war" activists are jumping on the viral video that shows US special forces troops being driven out of al-Rai village, near the Turkish border, by FSA fighters who threatened to "slaughter" them. This is supposed to indict the rebels as disloyal extermists. The US troops were embedded with Turkish forces in preparation for an offensive against nearby al-Bab, controlled by ISIS. In the video, FSA-aligned fighters chant that US forces are "pigs," "crusaders" and "infidels." (Middle East Eye, Sept. 16) We apparently aren't supposed to ask what legitimate reasons the rebels might have for their rage against the US.

Russia is of course saying that the Deir al-Zour mishap could threaten the supposed Syria "ceasefire," which is officially supposed to allow joint US-Russian military cooperation against ISIS and the Qaeda-aligned Nusra Front. (Jurist, Sept. 18)

If Obama eats enough crow, it may blow over. But a condition of the "ceasefire" is that rebels must reject Nusra in order to be covered by it. If they don't, they will presumably be subject to joint US-Russian bombardment. And it isn't so easy for the rebels to do so. Already on the defensive against regime advances and still fighting ISIS on their eastern flank, they are in a poor position to go to war with Nusra. Yet failure to drive Nusra from their territory could result in them getting bombed by their supposed US patrons. Starting to smell like a propaganda subterfuge to allow the superpowers to crush the rebels and reconsolidate Assad rule in the name of "stability."

The US is now openly fighting on the side of the Assad dictatorship. Anyone who fails to see it simply isn't paying attention.
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby Searcher08 » Mon Sep 19, 2016 9:04 pm

Bill Weinberg is such an Israel-firster moron. He writes some of the dumbest stuff I have ever read.
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby American Dream » Mon Sep 19, 2016 9:36 pm

Requiem for Syria


https://vimeo.com/183264966
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby Nordic » Tue Sep 20, 2016 1:29 am

American Dream » Mon Sep 19, 2016 7:40 pm wrote:http://countervortex.org/node/15043

Syria: genocidal regime troops' lives matter

Submitted by Bill Weinberg on Sun, 09/18/2016 - 21:47

This is about as sick as it gets. US air-strikes in Syria's Deir al-Zour governorate, aimed at ISIS positions, accidentally wiped out 62 Assad regime troops. The White House immediately issued a statement expressing "regret" for the "unintentional loss of life." Prompted by Russia, the UN Security Council has called an emergency meeting to discuss the incident. A US official even said "condolence payments" would be offered to the families of the slain troops. (BBC News, The Guardian, CNN's Barbara Starr via Twitter, Sept. 17)

Over a quarter million dead in Syria, and the first emergency Security Council meeting—and the first we've heard of any "condolence payments"—is when some troops of the genocidal regime get accidentally wiped out. We heard of no such "condolence payment" offers after US air-strikes accidentally wiped out scores of civilians at Manbij in July (itself small change compared to the massive, daily and intentional regime and Russian bombardment of civilians). If this does not make the the US tilt to Assad crystal-clear, nothing will.

However, this latter possibility is not to be dismissed, as it has recently come to our attention that some deluded "anti-war activists" in the US are paying so little attention to the actual facts in Syria, that they even think the US has been bombing the Assad regime! In fact, this constitutes the very first time the US has bombed any Assad regime forces—and it was an accident, quickly apologized for. (See EA Worldview, Sept. 18)

There's something superficially counter-intuitive about the US offering condolence payments to families of the same forces it is ostensibly arming the Free Syrian Army to fight. But emphasis on the "ostensibly." Those who are paying attention are aware that the US is actually constraining the rebel forces from fighting the regime as the cost of receiving aid, insisting they fight only ISIS. Rebels have even had to cede territory to the regime in order to keep the US aid coming—and caught in a pincer between Assad to the west and ISIS to the east, have had little choice.

And these same "anti-war" activists are jumping on the viral video that shows US special forces troops being driven out of al-Rai village, near the Turkish border, by FSA fighters who threatened to "slaughter" them. This is supposed to indict the rebels as disloyal extermists. The US troops were embedded with Turkish forces in preparation for an offensive against nearby al-Bab, controlled by ISIS. In the video, FSA-aligned fighters chant that US forces are "pigs," "crusaders" and "infidels." (Middle East Eye, Sept. 16) We apparently aren't supposed to ask what legitimate reasons the rebels might have for their rage against the US.

Russia is of course saying that the Deir al-Zour mishap could threaten the supposed Syria "ceasefire," which is officially supposed to allow joint US-Russian military cooperation against ISIS and the Qaeda-aligned Nusra Front. (Jurist, Sept. 18)

If Obama eats enough crow, it may blow over. But a condition of the "ceasefire" is that rebels must reject Nusra in order to be covered by it. If they don't, they will presumably be subject to joint US-Russian bombardment. And it isn't so easy for the rebels to do so. Already on the defensive against regime advances and still fighting ISIS on their eastern flank, they are in a poor position to go to war with Nusra. Yet failure to drive Nusra from their territory could result in them getting bombed by their supposed US patrons. Starting to smell like a propaganda subterfuge to allow the superpowers to crush the rebels and reconsolidate Assad rule in the name of "stability."

The US is now openly fighting on the side of the Assad dictatorship. Anyone who fails to see it simply isn't paying attention.


Why would you post this kind of Orwellian shit? Entertainment? Laughs? Seriously WTF is wrong with you?
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby tapitsbo » Tue Sep 20, 2016 1:52 am

"Jacobin are Baathists" is the funniest thing I've seen from AD so far
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby kool maudit » Tue Sep 20, 2016 3:15 am

Antifa will generally support the liberal/managerial state. They will decry its capitalism, bemoan its inequalities, and wail over its perceived excesses, but they fire on its enemies more reliably than in any other direction.

That said, the enemies of the liberal/managerial state are often (and are increasingly) the "fa" in "antifa", but let us at least strip them of their rebellious veneer.
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby Harvey » Tue Sep 20, 2016 6:23 am

American Dream » Mon Sep 19, 2016 6:19 pm wrote:
September 19, 2015


Just as is the case with 911 truthers, the Baathist left shares links to the same articles that get repeated endlessly in places like Jacobin, Mint Press, DissidentVoice or Information Clearing House. I would venture to guess that the items reviewed below have been recycled hundreds of times already by the Baathist left and there is no sign that their shelf life will expire any time soon. And to what end? To justify the killing of countless more Syrians. And how is this possible? The answer: you have to objectify and dehumanize human beings, the function of a left gone mad. As a political response to mass murder, it is exactly the same as how most Israelis view the destruction of Gaza....In some ways, the websites that carry out this task are similar to the hired trolls who work in a basement in Moscow on Putin’s behalf. I am not sure whether doing this kind of work for pay is sleazier than doing it for free.




This is advertising copy. Apart from who the hell thinks like this, the arguments are utterly bizarre amounting to "the very group who are against resource grabbing wars and all about increasing national security through renewable energy technologies are traitors because they don't care enough about the people our side is helping to kill."

Thanks for pointing out the poor quality of the oppositions reasoning skills.
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby Searcher08 » Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:23 am

Bill "Moron, Fucking MORON" Weinberg
The US is now openly fighting on the side of the Assad dictatorship. Anyone who fails to see it simply isn't paying attention.

Just as the US has also been fighting with the forces of the Iceland Fascist Empire in their recent snowmobile invasion of Canada.
My experiences have moved me to write an essay on the relationship between the indigenous struggle against the Icelandic "white bear" and the intersections with issues of class, heteronormativity and the fight against fascism.
I have spent time among the Inuit refugees, eating two year old seal meat and beans, living with sketchy wifi, with old people fleeing from the militarised walrus tusk bombs, their kayaks holed by cluster penguins, children fleeing on armoured bears.... it has caused me to reconsider what it means to be a Copy Pasta ally for these people

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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby kool maudit » Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:38 am

Next up:

1. The problematic nature of cash
2. An intersectional defense of the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement
3. The invisibility of hate: how CCTV surveillance can help fight racism
4. Whose environment is it? How wetlands protections hurt refugees, POC
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby American Dream » Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:44 am

Deliciously ironic that prattling on about going beyond false binaries is a staple around these parts...
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby Searcher08 » Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:01 am

American Dream » Tue Sep 20, 2016 12:44 pm wrote:Deliciously ironic that prattling on about going beyond false binaries is a staple around these parts...


:rofl2
Nowhere near as deliciously ironic as someone who prattles on about OTHERS being Oh So binary while being... the most binary poster on the board.

AD, are you still "expecting Wombat to do much better"?
That was the most patronising RI comment of 2016.
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby kool maudit » Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:12 am

American Dream » Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:44 am wrote:Deliciously ironic that prattling on about going beyond false binaries is a staple around these parts...



Did you support the wars in Iraq and Libya?

Because it is these wars that underpin my stance on Syria. I have no doubt that there are many, many people that were hideously mistreated by the regimes of Hussein and Gaddafi – no doubt at all.

But the empire's actions made the expanse of suffering larger still in both places, and not by some small amount.

Why would this not be the case in Syria?
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