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coffin_dodger » Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:43 pm wrote:
The system you are immersed in is powered by domination, heirarchy, money, the constant promotion of self-gratification and a dog eat dog mentality. The majority of people, whilst uncomfortable with the means required to sustain this status quo, balk at actually changing it. Changing means less.
Luther Blissett wrote:Oh trust that I understand that people don't want to actually change this. A fellow-traveler and I just fought with about a dozen of our closest neoliberal friends about this for about an hour this morning. Great fun.
You and I both see the changes on the horizon. Some people who also have the foresight but who might lack some imagination are preparing in one way. Other people are preparing in another way - to have an alternative built around the ideas I listed above (consensus building, empathy, collectivism, seizing the means of production and automating them for the benefit of all [even the former bosses]) - and are actually organizing long-term plans for it.
I disagree on some future predictions (my bets are on serious climate catastrophe coming quicker than we expect) but even though we're not psychics and imagine different futures, we're all building the path based on what would be the most peaceful and kind.
Luther Blissett » Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:14 pm wrote:OP ED » Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:04 pm wrote:There's always all those empty camps.
You into space gulags?
coffin_dodger » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:26 pm wrote:Luther Blissett wrote:
Incidentally, I really respect you, Luther. Your ideals are very similar to my own - the only difference between us is method - or lack of it.
Please correct me if I'm wrong (and I unashamedly generalise here):
The far left considers the far right to be uncouth, unintelligent, prone to violence, gun-happy, racist, selfish and bullying.
The far right considers far leftists to be allied to the 'abnormal', collectivist, bossy, bleeding heart, sappy eggheads who want to take their toys away - from their cold, dead hands.
The vast majority of people cross over these two categories. This has to be true, when taking into account the nature of the United States itself and the projection it imposes - an aggressive imperial power that considers itself 'the best of the best'.
The far-right and far-left cannot gain serious traction in this environment, because both sides offend 99% of the people with one or more of their particular forms of stance.
Left and Right is a forced binary option that cannot be concluded in the US to anybody's satisfaction. Leftists wanting to crush rightists is the binary opposite of rightists wanting to crush leftists. Two sides of the same coin. But...it is a human construct; ergo it can be broken.
Hilary Clinton and Donald Trump are least worse candidates. That is what the system is reduced to regurgitating. It's unable to even mask that much, now.
We need a moment of wonderment as a species. This is a priority.
OP ED » Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:37 pm wrote:Its not that the major world powers are evil, they're also just not good enough at being evil to handle the workload.
Sounder » Thu Oct 13, 2016 5:08 pm wrote:Thanks Mac, that's worth a re-post. Liberals have become adept haters during this round of the circus.
August 19, 2016
Liberal Hate for the Green Party
by Margaret Kimberley
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/08/19/ ... een-party/
coffin_dodger » Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:43 pm wrote:What other ideals are we talking about?
The system you are immersed in is powered by domination, heirarchy, money, the constant promotion of self-gratification and a dog eat dog mentality. The majority of people, whilst uncomfortable with the means required to sustain this status quo, balk at actually changing it. Changing means less.
The Left needs to devise a plan for super-abundancy for all.
Wombaticus Rex » Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:12 pm wrote:OP ED » Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:37 pm wrote:Its not that the major world powers are evil, they're also just not good enough at being evil to handle the workload.
Have come to similar conclusions. Foreign policy, as an artform, is morally reprehensible but strategically imperative. That contradiction won't get resolved any time soon.
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
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