What's Happening? It? (TRIGGERS UPON TRIGGERS)

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Postby guruilla » Tue Dec 06, 2016 3:44 am

tapitsbo » Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:15 pm wrote:I missed the part where the instagram stuff and all the other strangeness around Pizzagate got "dismantled". Nearly all of it still stands and there are still many questions to be answered.

Why do you think that is?

And why do you think so many people at RI are ignoring the clear monetary links between Alefantis' business circle and Epstein's Clinton Foundation, Bonner Group, Waverley, Brock, Soros, Koons, Silsby, and NCMEC, Haiti, child trafficking, etc, and instead seem to prefer endlessly questioning the "evidential standards" or research methods of anyone taking Pizzagate seriously (and without hardly ever referring to any of the specific evidence, to boot)?

Doesn't it seem that these clear "follow the money" links would have normally (or once) been enough for anyone versed in the machinations of elite pedophilia, etc, to be deeply suspicious of Alefantis & Comet Ping Pong, without even needing to reference the more circumstantial, Instagram, bad taste/bad art stuff, at all?

I'm asking you as someone who seems to be paying close attention and who hasn't yet taken a firm position. Also, since you've managed not to incur much by way of violent emotional opposition from certain people at this site, people whose main objective seems to be to prevent a sincere analysis of the evidence, you might have more success breaking it down (Lord knows I have tried).
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Re: What's Happening? It? (TRIGGERS UPON TRIGGERS)

Postby Project Willow » Tue Dec 06, 2016 4:12 am

Nordic » 05 Dec 2016 23:27 wrote:Willow, has anyone ever approached you, or have you ever approached anyone about making a documentary about this?

Just curious.


Yes, there was a fellow from London two summers ago, and last year the graduate student in film studies from Vermont. I do an initial interview, send them resources and then they disappear. I also know and live among several filmmakers, and am friends with the director of local film festival, none of them are interested. I live a floor below a retired Emmy Award winning network news producer who told me once it was the story of the century, but other than a few quips he doesn't mention it, and doesn't factor it into his politics.

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Re: What's Happening? It? (TRIGGERS UPON TRIGGERS)

Postby Luther Blissett » Tue Dec 06, 2016 11:30 am

guruilla » Tue Dec 06, 2016 2:44 am wrote:
tapitsbo » Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:15 pm wrote:I missed the part where the instagram stuff and all the other strangeness around Pizzagate got "dismantled". Nearly all of it still stands and there are still many questions to be answered.

Why do you think that is?

And why do you think so many people at RI are ignoring the clear monetary links between Alefantis' business circle and Epstein's Clinton Foundation, Bonner Group, Waverley, Brock, Soros, Koons, Silsby, and NCMEC, Haiti, child trafficking, etc, and instead seem to prefer endlessly questioning the "evidential standards" or research methods of anyone taking Pizzagate seriously (and without hardly ever referring to any of the specific evidence, to boot)?

Doesn't it seem that these clear "follow the money" links would have normally (or once) been enough for anyone versed in the machinations of elite pedophilia, etc, to be deeply suspicious of Alefantis & Comet Ping Pong, without even needing to reference the more circumstantial, Instagram, bad taste/bad art stuff, at all?

I'm asking you as someone who seems to be paying close attention and who hasn't yet taken a firm position. Also, since you've managed not to incur much by way of violent emotional opposition from certain people at this site, people whose main objective seems to be to prevent a sincere analysis of the evidence, you might have more success breaking it down (Lord knows I have tried).


I'm not ignoring it but I don't think that anyone can explain Alefantis's business as anything different or distinct from the way any other D.C.-area business operates. Should I investigate the Jefferson Hotel in D.C.? I can easily apply a circumstantial link to their money machine since they hosted a DNC fundraiser, were cited in the email leaks, and are a business in D.C. Maybe kids are eaten at the restaurant, Plume. I mean, look at the logo, can't you see how sinister that is?
http://www.plumedc.com/

I've queried every single entity in your list starting with "Epstein's Clinton Foundation" using the most confirmation bias-invoking terms I can think of and I'm still not seeing how the Bonner Group abducts and murders children. And I'm a naive person! I see plenty of shady political money being thrown around, so what else is new? If you're pointing at a bunch of NGOs and Laura Silsby and asking an anarchist to mistrust them, they already do.

One reads this page on Clinton Foundation Investigation for the Bonner Group; it's a lot of words but in the end it says nothing: http://clintonfoundationinvestigation.c ... important/
Maybe there's enough there to start an investigation into a crime like money laundering or like financial crime based on the questions being asked or the suggested threads to pull upon, but I assume that about every D.C. nonprofit.

The Jeff Koons connection is laughable. He's a joke of an artist, but he started funding research into child abductions because his own child was abducted from him by his ex-wife. Maybe their whole act is a smokescreen to cover for organized abuse, but it is fact that they have helped over 100 countries draft new or revise existing child pornography laws in order to help fight exploitation and rape where in many cases there were no laws on the books previously.

In all the separate threads that list Laura Silsby and James Alefantis, their names appear together in the headlines, with the context focusing only on details pertaining to one or the other.

What is "Waverley", in this context? Querying "Jeffrey Epstein" plus Waverley did not produce satisfactory results.

I have no doubt that there is something to Epstein's link to the Clintons, I fully believe that Bill Clinton engaged in criminal activity with Epstein, and that the Clintons fucked Haiti. The Clintons fucking Haiti was one of my driving points of contention against them during this entire election campaign. I'm fully on-board with their criminality here and I still don't see how the leap is being made to Comet Ping Pong.

I also love how the voat "welcome to pizzagate" thread uses the typical cult brainwashing tactic of getting the reader all buzzed up with seven proven, historical, but altogether unconnected to Comet Ping Pong examples of organized abuse. The eighth bullet is about Jeffrey Epstein, justifiable in investigating. The ninth is about Podesta and Hastert, good, fuck Hastert. The tenth and eleventh are philistinism (referencing video installations similar to the ultimately dumb Bruce Nauman work "Contrapposto Studies" currently displacing some of my favorite works of art at the PMA). The twelfth is about Moloch, good, I always thought something was up with Bohemian Grove. The thirteenth is more philistinism. Okay, when do we get to the pizza and Comet Ping Pong? That whole thread is brainwashing for martyrs with persecution complexes.

The fact remains that some sociopath friend on the pizzagate gang fired an assault rifle inside an indie rock venue where some of my friends go to shows.
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Re: What's Happening? It? (TRIGGERS UPON TRIGGERS)

Postby divideandconquer » Tue Dec 06, 2016 11:52 am

guruilla » Tue Dec 06, 2016 3:44 am wrote:
tapitsbo » Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:15 pm wrote:I missed the part where the instagram stuff and all the other strangeness around Pizzagate got "dismantled". Nearly all of it still stands and there are still many questions to be answered.

Why do you think that is?

And why do you think so many people at RI are ignoring the clear monetary links between Alefantis' business circle and Epstein's Clinton Foundation, Bonner Group, Waverley, Brock, Soros, Koons, Silsby, and NCMEC, Haiti, child trafficking, etc, and instead seem to prefer endlessly questioning the "evidential standards" or research methods of anyone taking Pizzagate seriously (and without hardly ever referring to any of the specific evidence, to boot)?

Doesn't it seem that these clear "follow the money" links would have normally (or once) been enough for anyone versed in the machinations of elite pedophilia, etc, to be deeply suspicious of Alefantis & Comet Ping Pong, without even needing to reference the more circumstantial, Instagram, bad taste/bad art stuff, at all?

I'm asking you as someone who seems to be paying close attention and who hasn't yet taken a firm position. Also, since you've managed not to incur much by way of violent emotional opposition from certain people at this site, people whose main objective seems to be to prevent a sincere analysis of the evidence, you might have more success breaking it down (Lord knows I have tried).


This evidence runs deep and implicates many high-ranking officials from both the left and the right, and from all branches of the government not to mention the corporate world, but I've come to the conclusion it's hopeless. The powers that be will succeed in using pizzagate to further cover up elite pedophilia and child trafficking and to fully control alternative media. Even more than before, the public will totally dismiss pedophilia amongst the ruling class as that of wild conspiracy theory.

I love the people who are waiting for Trump to take over, thinking that he's really going to open up a formal investigation.

FBI and NSA Poised to Gain New Surveillance Powers Under Trump
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Re: What's Happening? It? (TRIGGERS UPON TRIGGERS)

Postby Luther Blissett » Tue Dec 06, 2016 12:03 pm

divideandconquer » Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:52 am wrote:
guruilla » Tue Dec 06, 2016 3:44 am wrote:
tapitsbo » Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:15 pm wrote:I missed the part where the instagram stuff and all the other strangeness around Pizzagate got "dismantled". Nearly all of it still stands and there are still many questions to be answered.

Why do you think that is?

And why do you think so many people at RI are ignoring the clear monetary links between Alefantis' business circle and Epstein's Clinton Foundation, Bonner Group, Waverley, Brock, Soros, Koons, Silsby, and NCMEC, Haiti, child trafficking, etc, and instead seem to prefer endlessly questioning the "evidential standards" or research methods of anyone taking Pizzagate seriously (and without hardly ever referring to any of the specific evidence, to boot)?

Doesn't it seem that these clear "follow the money" links would have normally (or once) been enough for anyone versed in the machinations of elite pedophilia, etc, to be deeply suspicious of Alefantis & Comet Ping Pong, without even needing to reference the more circumstantial, Instagram, bad taste/bad art stuff, at all?

I'm asking you as someone who seems to be paying close attention and who hasn't yet taken a firm position. Also, since you've managed not to incur much by way of violent emotional opposition from certain people at this site, people whose main objective seems to be to prevent a sincere analysis of the evidence, you might have more success breaking it down (Lord knows I have tried).


This evidence runs deep and implicates many high-ranking officials from both the left and the right, and from all branches of the government not to mention the corporate world, but I've come to the conclusion it's hopeless. The powers that be will succeed in using pizzagate to further cover up elite pedophilia and child trafficking and to fully control alternative media. Even more than before, the public will totally dismiss pedophilia amongst the ruling class as that of wild conspiracy theory.

I love the people who are waiting for Trump to take over, thinking that he's really going to open up a formal investigation.

FBI and NSA Poised to Gain New Surveillance Powers Under Trump


Trump is also a pedophile, lest they forget.
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Re: What's Happening? It? (TRIGGERS UPON TRIGGERS)

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Dec 06, 2016 12:24 pm

Trump is also a pedophile, lest they forget


....and

White Terrorism in the White House? Did Trump’s Bannon, Breitbart inspire Pizzeria Shooter?
By Juan Cole | Dec. 6, 2016 |

Imagine if they had been Muslims. What if a Muslim publication pushed a false conspiracy theory accusing high American officials and an ordinary American restaurant of being involved in child abuse? and then an unbalanced Muslim went into it and shot off a firearm on the premises? They’d all be in Gitmo before sundown the same day.
On Sunday, a Trump supporter walked into a pizzeria in DC Northwest and allegedly fired a gun inside. Patrons in the restaurant ran for their lives, little children bawling in terror. The alleged perpetrator said he was investigating a child trafficking ring run out of the restaurant, connected to John Podesta and Hillary Clinton (there is no such ring).
Breitbart.com, the American white nationalist version of Der Völkischer Beobachter, is run by its CEO, Steve Bannon. His predecessor, Andrew Breitbart, had started the meme that John Podesta and therefore Hillary Clinton were somehow linked to a pedophilia ring. Bannon had his magazine continue that line.
This year, under Bannon’s editorship, the Breitbart.com twitter account tweeted out a bizarre and patently false conspiracy theory that a neighborhood pizzeria in Washington, D.C., was the site of a child trafficking ring to which Hilary Clinton was connected.

The national news networks are letting Bannon skate on this.
Although it was rumored that incoming National Security Advisor Mike Flynn tweeted out the great Pizzeria Conspiracy, that allegation is apparently incorrect. But the truth is worse.
Flynn tweeted under the hashtag #spiritcooking, which refers to the elaborate conspiracy theory that falsely attempted to tie John Podesta and Hillary Clinton to a satanic ritual.

Here is an informed comment about this tweet:

In early November before election day, Breitbart did articles on people alleging spiritcooking as a satanic ritual in which Hillary Clinton was involved.
Let me repeat. Steve Bannon is the editor of Breitbart. He is responsible for this bilge.
Flynn frequently depends on Breitbart.com, Bannon’s witches brew of fake news and Neonazism, for his information.
Flynn’s son took the position that the pizzeria dark fantasy is true until proven false.

Uh, I don’t think that’s how it works, that people say batshit crazy things and they’re true until conspiracy theorists admit they have been refuted.
Flynn Jr., by the way, is formally on the White House transition team. Yes. (Pence is denying this but Mr. Flynn has a transition email and has been seen at Trump tower per @blakehounshell of Politico.)

I would just like to remind everyone that Bannon and Flynn Sr. will be in the executive branch. Both will have de facto ability to call on the National Security Agency and the Central Intelligence Agency (both of which will likely also be headed by the Tinfoil Hat Brigade) to perform tasks they believe relate to national security. In COINTELPRO and more recent incidents, the White House used those agencies against domestic dissidents. There are going to be a hell of a lot of domestic dissidents, folks.
Ed Snowden warned us that the NSA can watch you typing your email messages in real time if it just knows your email address.
The idea that Bannon and Flynn will have that kind of power to spy on ordinary Americans is terrifying. I suggest the owner of that pizzeria get off line and throw away his smart phone. He should also sue the originators of the crazy conspiracy theory, and maybe anyone who defended it, for libel.
This crew of stark raving paranoids is bad enough when they just open their mouths. Worse is the implicit promotion of armed violence against the innocent victims of their conspiracy theories. This tactic is an old National Socialist one. After all, alleging that children are being trafficked by your political enemies is a way of making them appear to be monsters who must be stopped By Any Means Necessary. The firing of an assault rifle on those premises was foreseeable by a prudent person. I’d like to suggest that it is also foreseeable that the lives of Hillary Clinton and John Podesta are in similar peril.
So if Bannon had a decent bone in his body, he’d come out right now and apologize for pushing this kind of rank bullshit into the political cybersphere, and would resign beforehand from the White House on the grounds that no one with his wretched values should be allowed to darken the doorstep of so august an edifice.
http://www.juancole.com/2016/12/terrori ... iracy.html


and
Trump Adviser Has Pushed Clinton Conspiracy Theories
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/05/us/po ... inton.html

and

GOP lawmaker: Flynn and his son need to stop promoting conspiracies
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/gop-l ... le/2608949

and

Donald Trump’s scariest pick so far? Right-wing fruitcake Michael Flynn as national security adviser
http://www.salon.com/2016/12/01/donald- ... y-adviser/


just what we need a National Security Adviser dealing in FAKE NEWS!

AND I WANT THE NAMES OF THE VICTIMS OF THIS PIZZA GATE!!!
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Re: What's Happening? It? (TRIGGERS UPON TRIGGERS)

Postby PufPuf93 » Tue Dec 06, 2016 12:29 pm

divideandconquer » Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:52 am wrote:
guruilla » Tue Dec 06, 2016 3:44 am wrote:
tapitsbo » Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:15 pm wrote:I missed the part where the instagram stuff and all the other strangeness around Pizzagate got "dismantled". Nearly all of it still stands and there are still many questions to be answered.

Why do you think that is?

And why do you think so many people at RI are ignoring the clear monetary links between Alefantis' business circle and Epstein's Clinton Foundation, Bonner Group, Waverley, Brock, Soros, Koons, Silsby, and NCMEC, Haiti, child trafficking, etc, and instead seem to prefer endlessly questioning the "evidential standards" or research methods of anyone taking Pizzagate seriously (and without hardly ever referring to any of the specific evidence, to boot)?

Doesn't it seem that these clear "follow the money" links would have normally (or once) been enough for anyone versed in the machinations of elite pedophilia, etc, to be deeply suspicious of Alefantis & Comet Ping Pong, without even needing to reference the more circumstantial, Instagram, bad taste/bad art stuff, at all?

I'm asking you as someone who seems to be paying close attention and who hasn't yet taken a firm position. Also, since you've managed not to incur much by way of violent emotional opposition from certain people at this site, people whose main objective seems to be to prevent a sincere analysis of the evidence, you might have more success breaking it down (Lord knows I have tried).


This evidence runs deep and implicates many high-ranking officials from both the left and the right, and from all branches of the government not to mention the corporate world, but I've come to the conclusion it's hopeless. The powers that be will succeed in using pizzagate to further cover up elite pedophilia and child trafficking and to fully control alternative media. Even more than before, the public will totally dismiss pedophilia amongst the ruling class as that of wild conspiracy theory.

I love the people who are waiting for Trump to take over, thinking that he's really going to open up a formal investigation.

FBI and NSA Poised to Gain New Surveillance Powers Under Trump


One thing that we have not mentioned regard to pedophilia, sexual trafficking, sexual abuse, and sexual fetish is that these activities, legal and illegal, are rampant from top to bottom in western (and I would assume other cultures but do not have the same exposure to judge) culture and it is not just the elite, organized or solitary, that partakes. Some of the exposure while uncomfortable as in the Arts is on measure likely net positive exposure of the shadow worlds. Any institution where children are aggregated is a magnet for pedophiles. We should not forget that the pedophiles in communities and even more so in families are probably the most numerous. Apologists for pedophiles and other illegal or distasteful activities have ready ability to share their opinions. Other folks make a business or hobbies frightening folks over real and embellished fears. Occasionally there is a somewhat well publicized round up by law enforcement of the evil doers but my impression is that the sardines and not the sharks of pedophilia world are most impacted.

The internet has enabled the activities more visible, readily available, and a "how to" guide for all.

"PizzaGate" appears to me to be a politicized exercise of connecting dots -- "confirmation bias" -- rather than organized satanic ritual abuse by the elite. I am not saying that pedophilia and other abuses are not occurring including by some of the named parties, I am almost certain there are pedophiles and other sexual deviants with power that have been mentioned in "PizzaGate". Pedophiles with power have better access and better cover than the "typical" pedophile. (Aside: I believe pedophilia to be a strong and hard to suppress kink by those so unfortunately afflicted). I fail to be convinced that there is a pedophile network directly related to and integrated with political power of the kind described. The power structure does provide opportunity, see Abu Ghraib. Bystanders and innocents have become at risk because of the political and sensational current narrative. "PizzaGate" is doomed to blow over because of the over reach and misplacement/misdirection and serve as cover for the elite that are guilty. Epstein is real. Hassert is real. But the octopus is not as all encompassing as suggested by the misdirection that is "PizzaGate".
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Re: What's Happening? It? (TRIGGERS UPON TRIGGERS)

Postby Belligerent Savant » Tue Dec 06, 2016 12:51 pm



Let me correct that for you:

FBI and NSA Poised to Gain New Surveillance Powers, REGARDLESS of appointment of next presumptive elect for President

Re: "pizzagate": although most/all information uncovered thus far remains within the boundaries of 'circumstantial', as slomo and others have indicated, there seems to be enough smoke to merit further digging in search of potential 'fire-causing' elements, which, to my understanding, is one of the primary drivers for participation in this forum -- to discuss these topics in an effort to sift through white noise/disinfo and glean a measure of insight, no?

Unless, of course, this forum's 'gravitational pull' has shifted more than previously alluded.

Despite the depictions of bonfires/pitchforks (in written word and also witty visuals), no one here has called for anything other than further examination (though I haven't reviewed each page of this thread in earnest -- I may have missed a call for a mob gathering. If so, disregard the above: shoot the messenger.)
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Re: What's Happening? It? (TRIGGERS UPON TRIGGERS)

Postby Searcher08 » Tue Dec 06, 2016 1:00 pm

Belligerent Savant » Tue Dec 06, 2016 4:51 pm wrote:


Let me correct that for you:

FBI and NSA Poised to Gain New Surveillance Powers, REGARDLESS of appointment of next presumptive elect for President

Re: "pizzagate": although most/all information uncovered thus far remains within the boundaries of 'circumstantial', as slomo and others have indicated, there seems to be enough smoke to merit further digging in search of potential 'fire-causing' elements, which, to my understanding, is one of the primary drivers for participation in this forum -- to discuss these topics in an effort to sift through white noise/disinfo and glean a measure of insight, no?

Unless, of course, this forum's 'gravitational pull' has shifted more than previously alluded.

Despite the depictions of bonfires/pitchforks (in written word and also witty visuals), no one here has called for anything other than further examination (though I haven't reviewed each page of this thread in earnest -- I may have missed a call for a mob gathering. If so, disregard the above: shoot the messenger.)


I guess that for some, because it is threatening a Dem Big Cheese, all other bets are off, it is as simple as that.

This isn't just about Comet Pizza, this is about John and Tony Podesta and his networks.

The talking points being raised as objections here are for the most part like 21st century re-runs of anti 911 truth people a la Screw Loose Change.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/three-people-died-in-illegal-human-experiments-carried-out-by-john-podesta-backers-firm/article/2551139


Three people died in illegal human experiments carried out by John Podesta backer's firm
By Richard Pollock (@rpollockDC) • 7/23/14 5:00 AM

John Podesta, one of President Obama's closest White House advisers, counts among his key financial supporters Hansjorg Wyss, a reclusive Swiss billionaire whose company conducted illegal human experiments that resulted in the deaths of three elderly patients.

Justice Department attorneys negotiated a $23.8 million plea deal in 2011 with Synthes Inc., and Norian Corporation, its wholly owned subsidiary, and sent four of its U.S. executives to prison. The money was paid to the federal government.

Two of the victims died in a California hospital and the third perished in a Texas medical facility. One of the California victims was Ryoichi Kikuchi, 83, who died on the operating table at John Muir Hospital in Walnut Creek on Sept. 19, 2009.

He was a prize-winning physicist who analyzed the thermodynamic behavior of liquids and gases and worked at scientific centers at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, the University of California at Berkeley, the Max Planck Institute in Germany and the National Bureau of Standards.

Stay abreast of the latest developments from nation's capital and beyond with curated News Alerts from the Washington Examiner news desk and delivered to your inbox.

The federal judge who heard the case said the company's "pattern of deception is unparalleled.”

Synthes was a Swiss medical device firm with U.S. corporate offices in West Chester, Pa. Wyss opened the U.S. office in 1974 and was CEO until the company was bought by Johnson & Johnson in 2012 for $21.3 billion.

The Washington Examiner asked a White House spokesman whether the president was aware of Podesta’s relationship with Wyss or of the three deaths when Podesta was invited to join the chief executive's inner circle. The spokesman declined to respond.

Podesta, who was White House chief of staff under President Bill Clinton, and Wyss have been financially linked for years. Among the Swiss billionaire's largest gifts in recent years have been those made to the Center for American Progress.

CAP received $4.1 million from Wyss during Podesta's tenure as the liberal nonprofit’s founding president and chief executive officer. A CAP spokesman declined to respond to the Examiner's request for information about the Podesta-Wyss relationship.


The HJW Foundation, which is Wyss's private foundation, hired Podesta in 2013 as a paid consultant, for which he was paid $87,000 that year, according to the presidential counselor’s financial disclosure statement.

A HJW spokesman declined to respond to the Examiner’s questions about the kind of work Podesta performed for the fee.

Wyss has a seat on CAP's 10-member board of directors, which also includes former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright; former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, D-S.D.; and Carol Browner, Obama's first energy czar and administrator of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency under Clinton.

Podesta's think tank is the fourth-largest recipient of Wyss money among 27 liberal nonprofit activist groups the Swiss billionaire has supported since 2008, according to the HJW Foundation's Internal Revenue Service tax returns.

The IRS 990 tax returns for all of the groups can be reviewed via the Examiner's Citizen Audit database.

CAP itself was the largest single recipient of HJW contributions in 2011 and 2012, according to the foundation’s IRS filling.

Wyss and other Synthes executives decided to enter the highly profitable field of spinal surgery in 2000 with Norian XR, a cement-like mixture of calcium phosphate with barium sulfate.

Company managers claimed the compound could act like bone when injected in the spine in a procedure called "vertebrosplasty."

Federal prosecutors noted that at the time there was "excitement about using Norian for vertebroplasties" at Synthes, even though the U.S. Food and Drug Administration had not approved its use on the spine. FDA approval could take at least three years.

Company managers, however, decided not to seek FDA approval for Norian XR on the spine. Instead, they conducted unauthorized human experiments over a four-year period that included the three deaths.

FDA officials got wind of the deadly experiments and dispatched Capt. Joseph Despins in May 2004 to conduct an unannounced inspection, which kept him at the company until June 18.

Despins' findings subsequently became the basis for a federal indictment of the company, its subsidiary and four of its officers, which was filed June 16, 2009.

U.S. District Judge Legrome D. Davis said during a 2011 sentencing hearing following the plea agreement that the two firms ran “rogue clinical trials,” conducted “illegal training of spine surgeons” and “in search of profits, chose not to tell the FDA the truth.”
[b]

He also said they “did not stop the testing until three elderly patients had died on the operating table over the period of a year. … This pattern of deception is unparalleled.”[/b]

Four Synthes executives went to jail, each for varying terms of less than one year, in the plea agreement. They admitted their company had feloniously conspired “to defraud the United States” in an effort “to impair and impede the lawful functions of the Food and Drug Administration.”

Wyss was not named in the indictment but was referred to as “Person No. 7” and the “CEO and a major stockholder of Synthes.” Wyss was CEO and major stockholder at the time of the indictment and the experiments.

Wyss, who now lives in Wyoming, is a major donor to scores of liberal groups in this country, with his contributions estimated to total more than $110 million, according to the HJW Foundation's tax filings with the IRS since 2008.

The Swiss Broadcasting Corp. reported last year that Wyss was the second-richest person in Switzerland. He is the 112th wealthiest man in the world, with a net worth estimated at $11.2 billion by Forbes magazine.

Despite his relationship with Podesta and active role in funding liberal political activism, Wyss is not well known to the American public.

In fact, George Soros, the high-profile financial supporter of many liberal groups, has given less to CAP than Wyss.

Wyss told a Swiss newspaper in a rare interview in 2011 that “nobody knows me, and I hope that it stays like this,” according to Fortune.

But federal court documents paint a graphic description of his firm's brazen decision to ignore the FDA’s drug approval procedures, which are intended to assure patient safety.

The FDA had previously approved another Synthes-produced substance for use in treating injured bones in the arm.

But in order for XR to be used in spinal cases, the company had to complete the government’s Investigational Device Exemption process.

Regardless of whether the company pursued the IDE process, however, the FDA required Synthes to include a warning label on the XR compound's container stating it was “not intended for the treatment of vertebral compression fractures.”

Wyss and his subordinates decided during a Nov. 15, 2001, meeting to forgo the IDE process and to proceed with the unauthorized human experiments, according to the indictment.

“Person No. 7 decided that Synthes would not pursue an IDE study,” the indictment said, referring directly to Wyss. The meeting minutes noted the CEO and his subordinates ordered 60-80 test procedures without FDA approval.

In a pre-sentencing report, Assistant U.S. Attorney Mary Crawley described Wyss’s role: “After this [November] meeting Wyss, the CEO and major shareholder of Synthes, directed that Synthes would not pursue FDA approval of Norian XR via an IDE,” but “would press on with a ‘test market’” with surgeons.

Crawley also said the Synthes test market programs “were not slow or cautious, or careful, or motivated by patient safety.”

Davis said at a Dec. 13, 2011, sentencing hearing for Michael D. Huggins, one of the convicted Synthes executives, that “the safer and lawful approval route was expressly rejected.”

“One of the most offensive things was the little piddly sentence they got for this,” complained Eva Sloan, whose elderly mother, Lois Eskind, died during an XR experiment, according to Fortune.

Sloan filed a separate wrongful death lawsuit against the company in 2012 that charged “willful, wanton, malicious and reckless misconduct.”

The four executives “could have gone to 7-Eleven and stolen a six-pack of beer and got more time,” she said.

Sloan’s lawsuit was settled out of court. Laura Feld, Sloan’s attorney, said she could not comment because the settlement included a confidentiality agreement.

Defense attorney Brent J. Gurney told Davis at a sentencing hearing he thought Wyss was the missing person at the table.

“There is another person who is not present in this process,” he said while representing former Synthes executive Richard E. Bohner, “and that is the former chairman, CEO, controlling shareholder of the company, Mr. Wyss.”

Gurney, a former U.S. attorney, said, “Mr. Wyss was a highly involved owner of Synthes. The record shows that at the very beginning, it was he who made some of the very critical decisions that put the company on its ultimate pathway.”
Washington Examiner intern Monica Perez of the National Journalism Center contributed to this report.
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Re: What's Happening? It? (TRIGGERS UPON TRIGGERS)

Postby Plutonia » Tue Dec 06, 2016 1:44 pm

An hostile witness, claims to be one of the last out, says "we did not see or hear shots fired"
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Just to be perfectly clear how real this was: The suspect actually fired his weapon, according to police. https://twitter.com/abbydphillip/status ... 4862488576

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@abbydphillip @brianstelter I was at comet one of the last 3 people out and we did not see or hear shots fired - that is shocking devel.
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@wyoumans yes I was playing ping pong with my wife when he walked in. I didn't talk to the police I took a photo of him being arrested

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@AngiieStylinson I've been there with my family it's a safe, clean delicious pizzeria. You are spreading lies that nearly costed lives today

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@mountainmagic12 @RogerJStoneJr @RealAlexJones neoNazi haters this land is my land from CA to NY islands go back to EU if u don't like it

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@CindyCallinsky @mountainmagic12 no such pics exist. You guys are tripping and today it put my kids lives in danger with these stories.
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Same idiots that have propagated fake news about #pizzagate think the gunman story is a hoax these people have gone mad


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Re: What's Happening? It? (TRIGGERS UPON TRIGGERS)

Postby guruilla » Tue Dec 06, 2016 2:46 pm

Seriously, alleged "shooter" who is also an (alleged) actor with (alleged) military background and (alleged) time spent in Haiti shows up at Comet Ping Pong allegedly inspired by Alex Jones, etc, right after an alleged CCTV camera allegedly goes down, and the incident may or may not have been "reported" hours before allegedly occurring. Shots were probably not fired, no one was hurt, & the incident gets widespread coverage, the main thrust of which is, FAKE NEWS NUT-JOB: LOOK WHAT HAPPENS!!

Not long ago, this non-shooting incident would have inspired a healthy discussion at RI and been easily recognized as a strong confirmation of the validity of the information surfacing about "Pizzagate." It would have been really hard to imagine RI people seriously using it as a rationale for advising caution & responsibility about researching high level pedophilia...

Only now, there's no need to imagine it.
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Re: What's Happening? It? (TRIGGERS UPON TRIGGERS)

Postby Belligerent Savant » Tue Dec 06, 2016 3:50 pm

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guruilla: alleged "shooter" who is also an (alleged) actor with (alleged) military background and (alleged) time spent in Haiti shows up at Comet Ping Pong allegedly inspired by Alex Jones, etc, right after an alleged CCTV camera allegedly goes down, and the incident may or may not have been "reported" hours before allegedly occurring. Shots were probably not fired, no one was hurt, & the incident gets widespread coverage, the main thrust of which is, FAKE NEWS NUT-JOB: LOOK WHAT HAPPENS!!

Not long ago, this non-shooting incident would have inspired a healthy discussion at RI and been easily recognized as a strong confirmation of the validity of the information surfacing about "Pizzagate."


Indeed. A bit surreal when placed in the above context.
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Postby OP ED » Tue Dec 06, 2016 5:20 pm

Oddly I agree with the guru.

(Did I say that out loud?)

The CCTV camera is too obvious. Obvious enough that it seems like intended signalling.
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Re: What's Happening? It? (TRIGGERS UPON TRIGGERS)

Postby Nordic » Tue Dec 06, 2016 5:34 pm

RI has changed. A lot.
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Re: What's Happening? It?

Postby simian1 » Tue Dec 06, 2016 5:57 pm

guruilla » Sun Nov 13, 2016 6:40 pm wrote:This relates to the use of taboo to order & control society. Society depends on norms and norms require ab-norms, i.e., things that are considered unacceptable and for which we will be held accountable if we go there (and even if we express acceptance of them). These are the taboos, obviously. Today, from what I can see, many, maybe even most, taboos relate less to actions or forms of behavior than they do to values, beliefs, opinions, thoughts, and feelings. Actions once seen as taboo are now condoned by society, while questioning the values that are condoning them has become taboo (choose your example here). [/i]


Absolutely. I call it mind control because of the meanings embedded in language and the cognitive dissonance of terms like left/right wing or progressive/conservative, etc, etc. The taboo has to be thoroughly disseminated through unambiguous language before it becomes an unspoken norm.

How they do it, as far as I can figure it out (still trying to wrap my mind around this) is by creating taboos out of the very things they themselves are doing behind closed doors (in dungeons, basements, occult lodges, churches, schools, night clubs, or Pizza restaurants), as well as some of the things they are doing openly (corporate crimes etc.).


I don't think they need to create a taboo out of that sick shit, it is naturally taboo. I think what they are doing at this point is removing the taboo around these things. Game of thrones for example is an outright celebration of the psychopathic elite.

So anyway, the bourgeoisie have an unconscious awareness of what the aristocracy are really up to and deep down they know that avoiding taboos and keeping within the moral boundaries they’ve been given by their superiors will never allow them to level up. To become socially empowered requires imitating the hidden behaviors of the ruling class, and breaking the taboos.
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Exactly!
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