Russian ambassador to Turkey shot and killed

[seemslikeadream]

ok this is bizarre I heard Putin was supposed to go to see a play tonight about a Russian Ambassador getting assassinated

Alexander Sergeyevich Griboyedov (Russian: Алекса́ндр Серге́евич Грибое́дов, Aleksándr Sergeyevich Griboyedov or Sergéevich Griboédov; 15 January 1795, in Moscow – 11 February 1829, in Tehran), formerly romanized as Alexander Sergueevich Griboyedoff,[2] was a Russian diplomat, playwright, poet, and composer. He is recognized as homo unius libri, a writer of one book, whose fame rests on the verse comedy Woe from Wit or The Woes of Wit. He was Russia's ambassador to Qajar Persia, where he and all the embassy staff were massacred by an angry mob as a result of the rampant anti-Russian sentiment that existed through Russia's imposing of the Treaty of Gulistan (1813) and Treaty of Turkmenchay (1828), which had forcefully ratified for Persia's ceding of its northern territories comprising Transcaucasia and parts of the North Caucasus. Griboyedov had played a pivotal role in the ratification of the latter treaty.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Griboyedov

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I found the link

In a bizarre coincidence, Putin had planned to see the play Woe from Wit, written by the poet and diplomat Alexander Griboyedov, who was murdered by a mob when ambassador to Tehran in 1829.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... ing-attack

[tapitsbo]

"must change thinking!" -- almost as illiterate as "unpresidented"...
As if just saying "radical Islam" is some sort of magic spell that will immediately get rid of all the "evil" in the world...

It's understandable to perceive Trump's foreign policies as vague and maybe disastrous

US policies have been dosastrous since 9/11 at the very least and a Clinton administration was about to make them much worse.

Time to be thankful that there are other players than just the US!

Erdogan might not be the most likeable person by a long shot but it's good to see a Sunni Islamist leader who is willing to compromise and take a different tack from the disastrous gulf/us/uk style of doing things...

[8bitagent]

Some more images of today's brazen museum assassination in Ankara Turkey

[Joe Hillshoist]

In this case, good food for thought...

Spare us the significant ellipses, American Dream.... Say what you mean....

So when Alice the Kurious posts As'ad AbuKhalil its all good but AD does and something is suddenly up?

BTW Are people here naive enough to think Russia isn't interfering in US elections? Why wouldn't they? The US has interfered in Russia since the end of the cold war. Why wouldn't Russia do the same? I would in their place. If you wouldn't you're a fool. There are no good guys here. Putin is a fascist PoS who wants to monopolise as much of the world's energy trade as he can. I don't care if he funds anti fracking protests in the west. I"ll gladly take that money. He is still a monumental cunt.

Also why would Assange say anything to help the people who kept him locked in a foreign embassy for the last 5 years? "Oh but he is on Hannity!" Yeah he gets to put his POV across to the very people who would have called for his blood 5 years ago. In a context that doesn't make him seem like the enemy. If he genuinely thought the US govt was out to get him and this new admin might give him a break they are the people he would want to speak to. The ones who voted for the new admin. He is talking to someone who actively shilled for Trump. Hardly that surprising really. Especially for a narcissist like him.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Also especially given he was always more libertarian than lefty and spent 5 years hiding in an embassy because of a plot facilitated by SJWs.

(None of this makes wikileaks less useful or awesome.)

[tapitsbo]

In this case, good food for thought...

Spare us the significant ellipses, American Dream.... Say what you mean....

So when Alice the Kurious posts As'ad AbuKhalil its all good but AD does and something is suddenly up?

BTW Are people here naive enough to think Russia isn't interfering in US elections? Why wouldn't they? The US has interfered in Russia since the end of the cold war. Why wouldn't Russia do the same? I would in their place. If you wouldn't you're a fool. There are no good guys here. Putin is a fascist PoS who wants to monopolise as much of the world's energy trade as he can. I don't care if he funds anti fracking protests in the west. I"ll gladly take that money. He is still a monumental cunt.

Also why would Assange say anything to help the people who kept him locked in a foreign embassy for the last 5 years? "Oh but he is on Hannity!" Yeah he gets to put his POV across to the very people who would have called for his blood 5 years ago. In a context that doesn't make him seem like the enemy. If he genuinely thought the US govt was out to get him and this new admin might give him a break they are the people he would want to speak to. The ones who voted for the new admin. He is talking to someone who actively shilled for Trump. Hardly that surprising really. Especially for a narcissist like him.

Did Russia... ahem... interfere in the US election though?

Or did a DNC staffer get murdered for leaking their documents in which their weren't a staggering amount of revelations other than stuff people already knew on a gut level?

I doubt most Americans paid attention to the leaks, really.

We remember the leaks about Putin and his buddies' offshore accounts, right? You may not like it, but this is tit for tat... IF there's anything "Russian" about the election leaks after all, that is to say!

The insane absurd hypocrisy of people engaging in misguided, xenophobic Russia-baiting over the election is that "polite" people aren't supposed to talk about the staggeringly extensive and massively compromising and substantial Israeli and Saudi and UK influence in US politics, for example!

It's especially bizarre given and inappropriate that the establishment beef with Russia seems to largely go back to some petty grudges about guys like Khodorkovsky.

Anyways whatever your theories about which teams are better than whatever other teams, co-operation and peace in Europe/Asia/MENA is a way better goal that the "tension with Russia" that is synecdoche for the current state of affairs.

So the sort of argument you guys are making ends up sounding like a bunch of strung together anxious, arbitrary prejudices without a lot of basis, really.

[seemslikeadream]

In this case, good food for thought...

Spare us the significant ellipses, American Dream.... Say what you mean....

So when Alice the Kurious posts As'ad AbuKhalil its all good but AD does and something is suddenly up?

So when Alice the Kurious posts As'ad AbuKhalil its all good but AD does and something is suddenly up?

[Blue]

SLAD, this is where all the bullshit you subscribe to is taking us.

Wow, isn't that kinda like a personal attack? Really? slad subscribes to assassinations? SHE ALONE is taking us to the depths of chaos and hell???

Trolls never sleep at this forum. (Just a general observation of multiple threads.)

[seemslikeadream]

oh but as he said later on that was just friendly advice...he meant no disrespect....that I do not take friendly criticism with the grace in which it was given

we can't fault him though ...it was his turn

oh and yes I am personally responsible for the end of times

[Blue]

HAHAHA! slad and AD are taking us to teh very edge of war with Russia1!!!!!1!!!!!!!!


Hang in there slad.

It is indeed where the bullshit SLAD subscribes to is leading us. We shall see, too late probably, but we shall.

For god's sake 82, please stop doing that. Harvey is not "mean, nor was he being "mean", nor was he "needling" anyone. This is a Discussion Board, and not all contributions to any discussion are equal. Post here and expect your posts to be questioned and criticised rationally.

Slad's posts and AD's have indeed been taking us precisely here, to the very edge of war with Russia - because they, like millions of others elsewhere, have been posting and re-posting torrents of dangerous warmongering propaganda they refused to even defend or explain. Just catapulting the propaganda, for months on end. Bullshit galore,without rhyme or reason. Twisted unreliable shite from the likes of the Daily Mail or the Daily Beast, unexplained, undefended, just splurged over the board because it's there. Don't pretend you haven't seen it, it's all over the board. Pointing this out and criticising it is not mean. It's necessary. Now more than ever.

[seemslikeadream]

Slad's posts and AD's have indeed been taking us precisely here, to the very edge of war with Russia

TO THE VERY EDGE ALL BY MYSELF

and yes with a bit of help from AD...but I alone have done most of the work

and of course

Harvey is not "mean, nor was he being "mean", nor was he "needling" anyone.

SLAD, this is where all the bullshit you subscribe to is taking us.

this is not mean this is just brotherly love

btw my computer screen is full of pin holes

this 6 week rampage is going to stop

winsomecowboy2 couldn't get the job done for him...neither could the Flat Earth guy or even backtoiam tirade ...but hey that's some great company there...don't bother looking for the 3 of them...they've all been banned

it was really heartwarming when 17 members here showed up in The Cowboy's thread to support me and the 9 pms and emails I got saying they were sorry they saw the OP after it was locked and couldn't reply.

Mac doesn't speak for everyone here and I know that

my reputation here has been under attack for the last 6 weeks after 12 years of being a member here

I long for the days of solace....

[tapitsbo]

Imagine if Trump got shot or impeached and the old agenda in europe/mena came back full throttle, either from Ds or Rs.

the agenda of all the pundits who felt BHO had "kept them on a leash"

who were salivating for a Clinton win...

Things still wouldn't go so smoothly...

[seemslikeadream]

there was NO ONE HERE including myself salivating for a Clinton win ....NO ONE

Trump will be impeached

[tapitsbo]

You didn't seem to be slad.

I'm talking about the people whose platform is driving a lot of these articles, who are now loudly furious that their europe/mena objectives are in tatters.

They could blow up Putin's car while he's in it this time and they still wouldn't be able to get their way.

Too much is changing in the world too quickly.

[seemslikeadream]

sorry to sound snippy but I am sure you are aware a couple members here have been spreading that lie also

Russian delegation in Ankara to probe envoy's murder
18-strong team investigating murder of Russian diplomat

home > Turkey, world, todays headlines 20.12.2016 Satuk Buğra Kutlugün Ankara
Russian delegation in Ankara to probe envoy's murder
A Russian delegation leave Forensic Medicine Institution in Ankara, Turkey on December 20, 2016. Russian investigation team had arrived in the capital Ankara. The team, comprising of a prosecutor and two defense attaches, will investigate the assassination of Karlov along with Turkish officials. (Emre Şenoğlu - Anadolu Agency)

By Satuk Bugra Kutlugun

ANKARA

An 18-strong Russian delegation arrived in Ankara on Tuesday afternoon to help investigate the murder of ambassador Andrey Karlov.

One Russian prosecutor, two defense attaches, security officials, autopsy experts and officials from the country’s Ministry of Emergency Situations have examined the crime scene where Karlov was gunned down.

Turkish officials cooperated with the Russian delegates.

Some Russian officials examined Karlov's remains and those of the gunman, Mevlut Mert Altintas, at the Institution of Forensic Medicine in the Turkish capital.

Andrey Karlov died after being shot multiple times at an art exhibition in Ankara on Monday evening.

Karlov was delivering a speech when the assailant, 22-year-old policeman Altintas, opened fire on him.

The envoy's autopsy has been completed and his remains have been sent to Ankara’s Esenboga International Airport for a state ceremony before repatriation to Russia.

Deputy Prime Minister Tugrul Turkes, Interior Minister Suleyman Soylu and Justice Minister Bekir Bozdag attended the airport ceremony.

Karlov's family will also fly to Moscow.

Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu on Tuesday said Ankara’s Karyagdi Street, where the Russian embassy is located, will be renamed Karlov Street in memory of the slain diplomat.

Security has been tightened at Turkey's diplomatic missions in Russia following Monday’s shock assassination, according to the Russian Interior Ministry.

"Police stepped up security at Turkey’s diplomatic missions in the Russian Federation," ministry spokeswoman Irina Volk was quoted as saying by the official TASS news agency.

Volk said Turkey’s embassy in Moscow and consulates in Russian cities were now under "round-the-clock" protection.

Arrests

Six relatives and a roommate of the assassin were arrested by Turkish police early Tuesday; his uncle was released under judicial restrictions.

Hasan F., the uncle of slain assassin Mevlut Mert Altintas, is a former senior executive at a Fetullah Terrorist Organization (FETO)-linked private school shut down in an investigation following the July 15 defeated coup, which was blamed on the group.

Altintas’s parents, sister and two other relatives were arrested in the southwestern province of Aydin.

The relatives were taken to Aydin’s Security Directorate after questioning, said security sources on condition of anonymity.

His roommate in Ankara was also arrested.
http://aa.com.tr/en/todays-headlines/ru ... der/710636

Russians descend on Turkey after assassination of one of their own
John Bacon and Jane Onyanga-Omara , USA TODAY 9:19 a.m. EST December 20, 2016

The gunman who fatally shot the Russian ambassador to Turkey was trying to "drive a wedge" between the two countries and derail efforts toward a peaceful solution of the civil war in Syria, the Kremlin said Tuesday.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov spoke to reporters in Moscow as 18 investigators from Russia arrived in Turkey to investigate the fatal shooting of Andrei Karlov, who was shot multiple times by a Turkish police officer Monday while making a speech in Ankara. Gunman Mevlüt Mert Altıntaş, 22, shouted slogans related to the Syrian crisis before he was shot and killed by police.

Peskov said he expects the attack will bring Turkey and Russia closer together.

"Most likely the murder was aiming to derail the efforts toward a peaceful Syrian resolution," Peskov said. "However, it will not impede this process in any way."

Peskov said the investigators will determine whether the attack was the work of Altıntaş alone or a more complex conspiracy. Turkish authorities have detained seven people, and Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said Turkey and Russia will work together on the investigation.

The ambassador was attending the opening of an art exhibition in Ankara when he was shot. Video provided by Newsy Newslook

Cavusoglu said a street near the Russian Embassy will be renamed for Karlov.

"It is known how important the relations with Russia are for the region and not only for two countries," Cavusoglu said.

Altıntaş shouted slogans, mostly in Turkish, such as “Don’t forget Aleppo! Don’t forget Syria! As long as our brothers are not safe, you will not enjoy safety. ... Whoever has a share in this oppression will pay for it one-by-one. ... Only death will take me away from here..." witnesses said.

Russian Foreign Ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova described the attack as an "act of terrorism." Russian TV reported that Altıntaş had guarded the Russian embassy in Ankara earlier this month, when there were rallies at the building protesting Russian involvement in Syria and the situation in the city of Aleppo.

Gunman kills Russian ambassador to Turkey, shouts 'God is great'
Russia and Turkey have been key players in the almost 6-year-old civil war in Syria, with Russia supporting Syrian President Bashar Assad while Turkey supports some Western-backed rebel groups. Russia has provided support for Syrian troops that bombarded rebel-held areas of the northern city of Aleppo, creating a massive humanitarian crisis. Russia and Turkey countries have in recent days worked to allow rebels and civilians to evacuate rebel-held neighborhoods.

Cavusoglu, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif met in Moscow Tuesday to work on a peaceful solution in Syria. The ministers adopted a joint statement on coordinated actions aimed at reviving political process.

"It is our common view that there is no military solution to the Syrian crisis," Lavrov said at a joint press conference with Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu and Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/worl ... /95644568/