Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Iamwhomiam » Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:44 pm

Glad to see the suite floor plan posted and that his wife is supposedly married to two men at the same time. The flashes from the 4th floor seemed to continue after the report ceased, so maybe it was just a flashing light and not gunfire.

But the wife may be an agent of, yes, MILF. The Moro Islamic Liberation Front. Which means we'll soon be hearing news of her "turning" him to become sympathetic to the Muslim cause.

Then again, Paddock might just be exactly the sort of man whom Jeffery Lash wished to become - too spooky for words.

The good news is that gun stocks are up again, as Trump might say.

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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby PufPuf93 » Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:04 pm

Thank you Elfismile for the floor plan of the suite and adjacent room. Another post said that the suite was 1450 sq ft which is pretty large, the same size of a small house.

Spent nearly an hour watching the taxi video and this most recent video interview with brother Eric Paddock. Eric appears genuine and genuinely confused and troubled. He did mention the hope that the acts could be explained by a brain tumor or that there was a problem in relations with "Mary Lou". He also stressed that Stephen Paddock was intelligent and competent. Also that Stephen and Mary Lou had an apparently close and loving relationship.

The intelligence and competence are reflected in that obviously the act was pre-planned, had to be in order to collect and prepare the guns and other material, move into place, and chose the time and place that was unique to maximize the mayhem. Eric said that probably his brother paid a bellboy to carry the materials to the room on a cart, that simple. He also stressed how Stephen was well known in the casinos.

Eric Paddock did not satisfy my interest in how Stephen came by his wealth (that apparently he also freely provided such to enhance the lifestyle of Eric and his family and their mother). He downplayed the recent $100,000 to the Philippines as not that much money.

I am surprised that Mary Lou returned to the USA from abroad already if ever. She has to know more than zero about the dark sides of Stephen Paddock.

IMO it is still open to question as to whether Stephen Paddock was a lone shooter or a solitary actor. A more complex relationship if revealed would maybe allow more understanding than Stephen Paddock being and angry and efficient in mass murder.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby MacCruiskeen » Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:05 pm

Iamwhomiam wrote:Glad to see the suite floor plan posted and that his wife is supposedly married to two men at the same time.


"Supposedly", but not really. I followed elfismile's link and the yarn has since been retracted:

RETRACTED: Paddock's Girlfriend Used Two Social Security Numbers and Was Married to Two Men at the Same Time

By Newsweek Staff On 10/3/17 at 7:00 PM

Newsweek has retracted its story that reviewed the public records of Marilou Danley, the girlfriend of Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock.

The initial report was based on many public records, but included an error that came to light after publication when a family member came forward.

Danley remains a "person of interest" in the shooting investigation of 59 people, including the gunman, Sunday night in Las Vegas.

http://www.newsweek.com/marilou-danley- ... ber-677033


Of course Newsweek provides not a hint of an apology, to her or her family, to accompany that retraction. What shameless hacks. He's dead and she's a foreigner, so anything goes. They can blacken her name as a fraudulent old bigamist, be forced to admit an "error", and then whine "but she's still a person of interest..."

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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Iamwhomiam » Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:17 pm

The floor plan is accurate, regardless elfis' link.

Very well planned.

Que Bono?

The five star joint Luna's amigo worked at, Mandalay Bay's competitor?

Gun stocks are soaring.

Or is this not the right time to discuss profiteering from mass murder?
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby MacCruiskeen » Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:27 pm

Iamwhomiam » Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:17 pm wrote:The floor plan is accurate, regardless elfis' link.

Very well planned.

Que Bono?

The five star joint Luna's amigo worked at, Mandalay Bay's competitor?

Gun stocks are soaring.

Or is this not the right time to discuss profiteering from mass murder?


As a response to the information just posted, that is simply shameless. You know perfectly well that the floorplan was never the point at issue, you say not one single goddam word about the fact that the Dead Designated Culprit's wife was libelled by Newsweek without apology (a libel that you explicitly said you were "glad to see" [sic]), and the rest of your post is just blather and padding.

No wonder the US corporate media have such an easy time of it. They know that all they have to do is throw meat to the slavering crowd.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:28 pm

Iamwhomiam » Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:46 pm wrote:Robert, she was under another part of the building that muffled the gunshots, which became much louder when she emerged and drove around and in front of the hotel.


My audio is working so I watched it again to make sure it went down like I thought it did. At the 45 second mark, the muffled gunfire is audible and at the 49 second mark, the taxi driver says, "Now it sounds like it's coming from farther away." This lead me to presume she was hearing gunfire much closer prior to the start of the video. Then at the 1:07 mark, we hear a car honk behind the taxi. At 1:08, just as she starts to move the taxi, but while the four-pronged streetlight is still visible from the taxi window, I heard BAM!BAM!BAM!BAM!BAM! gunfire at the loudest decibels. That the driver didn't even comment on this sudden shift in volume lead me to believe this is the closer gunfire she heard prior to filming. I'm not saying I'm right and you're wrong, Iamwhomiam; I'm not even stating there definitely were two shooters. But after looking at the pictures and the layout that elfismiles provided, I find it difficult to buy the argument that Paddock switching weapons or switching windows could account for such a huge difference in volume. They sound like they're coming from two different floors, maybe even two different buildings.

Considering what a horrific tragedy this was, it's a little disconcerting to read the "crisis actors" comments on the youtube link. I suppose I should be use to it by now, but I get a little sick of reading some random couch potato critiquing whether the behavior of the passengers is normal and from that deducing that the whole event is a hoax. Grow a heart and soul, you empty shits.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:49 pm

NEWS LAS VEGAS SHOOTING OCT 4 2017, 4:11 AM ET
Las Vegas Gunman Meticulously Planned Shooting, Sheriff Says
by ALEX JOHNSON

Sunday night's shooting spree in Las Vegas was so meticulously planned that the gunman set up cameras in and around his luxury hotel room, the Clark County sheriff's office said Tuesday.

The apparent attempts at surveillance by the gunman, whom authorities have identified as Stephen Paddock, were part of extensive preparations that included stockpiling nearly two dozen guns in his room before opening fire on the concert below, said police.

The cameras included one in the peephole and two in the hallway, according to Clark County Undersheriff Kevin McMahill.


So you can install your own security cameras in the hallway of a 5 star Vegas trip hotel without their already installed security cameras catching anything?
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:50 pm

Between the whirling blades of CNN Would Never Lie and All Mass Shootings Are Staged Fakes, well....you could do a lot.

Been watching /pol/ tear into Paddock's flight records, it's pretty interesting. Might be some cartel / fast and furious ties. (Eric Holder's PR nightmare, not the franchise that Hugh Manatee Wins tried to warn us about.)

More likely, some mundane but illegal urban surveillance operations.

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Also, the multiple rooms angle is gun dealer behavior -- not the OTC kind, either.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby MacCruiskeen » Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:01 pm

stickdog99 » Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:49 pm wrote:
NEWS LAS VEGAS SHOOTING OCT 4 2017, 4:11 AM ET
Las Vegas Gunman Meticulously Planned Shooting, Sheriff Says
by ALEX JOHNSON

Sunday night's shooting spree in Las Vegas was so meticulously planned that the gunman set up cameras in and around his luxury hotel room, the Clark County sheriff's office said Tuesday.

The apparent attempts at surveillance by the gunman, whom authorities have identified as Stephen Paddock, were part of extensive preparations that included stockpiling nearly two dozen guns in his room before opening fire on the concert below, said police.

The cameras included one in the peephole and two in the hallway, according to Clark County Undersheriff Kevin McMahill.


So you can install your own security cameras in the hallway of a 5 star Vegas trip hotel without their already installed security cameras catching anything?


And it's not just a 5 star Vegas trip hotel, it's also a casino. Casinos don't mind when you attach cameras to their doors and to their chambermaids' trolleys in the hallway. They like it when guests let their hair down.

Presumably they also let him bring his own cards to the poker table and his own screwdriver to the slot machines. They're famously generous that way, Vegas casinos. The Customer is King.

Did he also wallpaper his own room while he was at it? I think we should be told.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Iamwhomiam » Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:02 pm

Yes Robert, I should have mentioned I reviewed the video again and concur the first shots were very loud before becoming more muted as she moved her car. Not knowing her beginning position and exact route further complicates understanding why the gunshot reports sounded differently.

However, I hadn't mentioned Paddock and never suggested he went from room to room, but that would be easily accomplished as the rooms were directly connected with a door, aside the hallway entrance. There was more than one prolonged lull that would allow for moving from room to room.

I (almost) always avoid reading readers comments. The surface facts are enough of a horror.

Mac, your opinions hold little of value to me.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby PufPuf93 » Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:05 pm

stillrobertpaulsen » Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:28 pm wrote:
Iamwhomiam » Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:46 pm wrote:Robert, she was under another part of the building that muffled the gunshots, which became much louder when she emerged and drove around and in front of the hotel.


My audio is working so I watched it again to make sure it went down like I thought it did. At the 45 second mark, the muffled gunfire is audible and at the 49 second mark, the taxi driver says, "Now it sounds like it's coming from farther away." This lead me to presume she was hearing gunfire much closer prior to the start of the video. Then at the 1:07 mark, we hear a car honk behind the taxi. At 1:08, just as she starts to move the taxi, but while the four-pronged streetlight is still visible from the taxi window, I heard BAM!BAM!BAM!BAM!BAM! gunfire at the loudest decibels. That the driver didn't even comment on this sudden shift in volume lead me to believe this is the closer gunfire she heard prior to filming. I'm not saying I'm right and you're wrong, Iamwhomiam; I'm not even stating there definitely were two shooters. But after looking at the pictures and the layout that elfismiles provided, I find it difficult to buy the argument that Paddock switching weapons or switching windows could account for such a huge difference in volume. They sound like they're coming from two different floors, maybe even two different buildings.

Considering what a horrific tragedy this was, it's a little disconcerting to read the "crisis actors" comments on the youtube link. I suppose I should be use to it by now, but I get a little sick of reading some random couch potato critiquing whether the behavior of the passengers is normal and from that deducing that the whole event is a hoax. Grow a heart and soul, you empty shits.


The gun fire at the beginning of the taxi video was confusing as some was muffled and appeared to be from far away and other gun fire was loud and sounded much closer.

Perhaps some of the gun fire was from the window around the corner of the suite? But one could easily use that taxi video to imply a cross fire with multiple firing sites.

Also I watched another short video that appeared to show the flashes of muzzle fire occurring from a much lower floor. The video was unclear.

In my post above when I called Stephen Paddock an "actor" I specifically did not mean so in a "crisis actor" sense, so used a poor choice of word for RI.

Obviously this event was not a hoax, many people have died or been hurt. Whether Paddock was a lone shooter or operated in general as a lone wolf is open to question.

I was surprised to see the Lash thread bumped up in recent days. Similar situation in that Lash collected vast quantities of arms with questionable source of funding and motivation except weirdness. Paddock is characterized as intelligent and competent and nary a mention of aliens despite being so near Area 51.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby PufPuf93 » Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:09 pm

Iamwhomiam » Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:02 pm wrote:Yes Robert, I should have mentioned I reviewed the video again and concur the first shots were very loud before becoming more muted as she moved her car. Not knowing her beginning position and exact route further complicates understanding why the gunshot reports sounded differently.

However, I hadn't mentioned Paddock and never suggested he went from room to room, but that would be easily accomplished as the rooms were directly connected with a door, aside the hallway entrance. There was more than one prolonged lull that would allow for moving from room to room.

I (almost) always avoid reading readers comments. The surface facts are enough of a horror.

Mac, your opinions hold little of value to me.


I am not going to watch the long taxi video again but I thought the sounds of gun fire cycled several times from loud to muffled and back to muffled and then back to loud again.

The floor plan helped understanding because the distance between the two broken windows suggested the possibility that there were rooms in between and not a room adjacent to the very large it turns out suite.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby MacCruiskeen » Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:12 pm

Iamwhomiam » Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:02 pm wrote:
Mac, your opinions hold little of value to me.


It's not my opinion that Newsweek libelled her and then retracted the libel without apology; it is a demonstrable fact. Jaysus, you are even more shameless than those hacks are. They at least admitted it! All you have ever done is ignore it, like now, because it hurts your vanity to admit a mistake.

Facts are of no value to you, that's your problem. And god knows you have form on this, especially when it comes to Dead Designated Culprits (and their molls). You just love to swallow that meat.

This is how seriously you take the whole issue:

Iamwhomiam » Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:44 pm wrote:...
But the wife may be an agent of, yes, MILF. The Moro Islamic Liberation Front. Which means we'll soon be hearing news of her "turning" him to become sympathetic to the Muslim cause.
...


Ho ho ho. She is nothing but grist to your mill.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:15 pm

stickdog99 » Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:49 pm wrote:So you can install your own security cameras in the hallway of a 5 star Vegas trip hotel without their already installed security cameras catching anything?


Right? That definitely makes me wonder if Paddock was LEO doing what he thought was a sting.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby PufPuf93 » Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:18 pm

MacCruiskeen » Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:12 pm wrote:
Iamwhomiam » Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:02 pm wrote:
Mac, your opinions hold little of value to me.


It's not my opinion that Newsweek libelled her and then retracted the libel without apology; it is a demonstrable fact. Jaysus, you are even more shameless than those hacks are. They at least admitted it! All you have ever done is ignore it, like now, because it hurts your vanity to admit a mistake.

Facts are of no value to you, that's your problem. And god knows you have form on this, especially when it comes to Dead Designated Culprits. You just lve to swallow that meat.


In any case glad that the story of multiple SSN has been retracted. One has to wonder about the whys of some stories being put in the media; in this case of Las Vegas for example the initial claims that it was an ISIS operation. Knee jerk BS helps and promotes the CT "swirl". Bet we haven't heard the end of possible ties to SE Asian Islamic terrorist groups despite the extreme likelihood of home grown mayhem.
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