Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Spook » Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:28 pm

Just to add a bit of weight, or perhaps further confusion as to who exactly had access to that second room.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3592780/posts

Brian Hodge also told the Sydney Morning Herald that he had stayed in Room 32134:

'Hardcore': Las Vegas shooter 'in hotel room next door', says Australian man Brian Hodge

Brian Hodge's room, Room 32-134, is the room that has a connecting door with the shooter's room, Room 32-135.

The door to Room 32-134 with the food cart placed in front of it was shown in the leaked video of the corridor:


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So it appears the SECOND BROKEN WINDOW was actually made in BRIAN HODGE's room 32-134, not in an adjoining room occupied by Paddock to the Vista Suite 32-135 also occupied by Paddock.

In other words, the adjoining room in this graphic was not hired by Paddock, but by Brian Hodge:
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Iamwhomiam » Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:40 pm

Thanks, smiles.

Spook, as elfis has stated, this graphic cannot be depended upon for accuracy. As the room adjoining the suite was not a rental unit, and if the Aussie's clams are true that he was in the room next door to Paddock's suite, he was probably across the hall, separated from Paddock's suite by the stairwell. The room to the left of that in the graphic numbered 32134 is most likely the room rented by the Aussie, imo. Maybe the room adjoining the suite is 32135A or something. The only pic we have of it, if any are believable, is the one showing the service cart, and the number is illegible in those photos.

I do remember a man claiming he was in a room on the floor below Paddock and that's who I thought the Aussie was, who complained about the racket upstairs. Perhaps we do have two different people on two different floors 31 and 32, with rooms in relatively close proximity to Paddock's.

Online I've not found one photograph showing the room numbers and their relationship to Paddock's suite. But either that graphic is incorrect and the Aussie's telling tall tales about being in the room next door to Paddock's. It is possible the Aussie was in the room to the left of the room adjoining the suite and he then would be correct in claiming he was next door to Paddock's room, if in fact he was.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Spook » Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:40 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8UCTlXdQn0&feature=youtu.be&t=36

The link above will open the video source for the room number image btw.
The room number and location relative to Paddock's suite is clear as day.

I'll step back from this now, and let others take it where they may.
I may be starting to indicate confirmation bias.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Burnt Hill » Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:46 pm

The serving cart picture was taken after the event.
It's possible it was relocated to that less cluttered doorway during or after the event.
If so, then that's not Paddocks door either, I think?
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Spook » Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:53 pm

OK, one more post then. Sorry guys.
And the USB lead running under the door to 32 134 suggests the table was not moved?
This lead can possibly be seen in the first frames of the video running along next to the weapon in room 32 135?

Who was renting 32 134?
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Brentos » Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:55 pm

Thanks elfismiles for that Hooters footage and information. It's possible that it might of been an E.R. staging area, where they put people in to treat, as well as dead bodies (despite it being about well over 1/2 mile away), but yet another witness not mentioned in that article, Kimberley Suchomel, talked about people fleeing Hooters as she was near, amid gunfire, which she also fled from. Rick, the gentleman mentioned in the article, is also yet someone else who said that they were running in circles, to keep away from gunmen, quit a distance away from the mic, PA system, and shooter and Mandalay.

At the very least we located some missing EMTs.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Burnt Hill » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:03 pm

Spook » Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:53 pm wrote:OK, one more post then. Sorry guys.
And the USB lead running under the door to 32 134 suggests the table was not moved?
This lead can possibly be seen in the first frames of the video running along next to the weapon in room 32 135?


That's right!
Its hard to see it in that picture, but I do remember seeing it clearly in the other.
There are two different photos available of the serving cart then?
Interesting...
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Iamwhomiam » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:19 pm

I doubt they'd move such important evidence, but anything is possible, BH.

I'd like to hear more from the Aussie and I'd like to see his room receipt.

Thanks for posting that video, Spook. I had only seen still shots.

I don't know what to think about Hooters. I noticed it was prominent in the video the man took from his second story apartment and then I went looking for that same building using G-Maps and found more than one Hooters and none appeared to be the same building shown in the night-time video. I was running all over the place and still couldn't id the Hooters building in the photo. That Hooters had it name in lights across the top floor and all the maps are daytime images. It also seemed farther away from the venue, located behind the Mandalay Bay and directly across from the fellow's apartment, with the venue far to his left.

Hooters was a safe place to stage emergency vehicles and certainly some wounded could have made it that far, but why would they, when other cover was closer and more quickly available.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Hooters+Casino+Hotel/@36.0990443,-115.1699443,16.58z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x80c8c5ca3747e1a5:0xb0a4318600822139!8m2!3d36.100506!4d-115.1677344
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Iamwhomiam » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:40 pm

Burnt Hill » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:03 pm wrote:
Spook » Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:53 pm wrote:OK, one more post then. Sorry guys.
And the USB lead running under the door to 32 134 suggests the table was not moved?
This lead can possibly be seen in the first frames of the video running along next to the weapon in room 32 135?


That's right!
Its hard to see it in that picture, but I do remember seeing it clearly in the other.
There are two different photos available of the serving cart then?
Interesting...


I believe it was reported earlier in the thread, Spook, but the hotel said that room is not available to rent - it is part and parcel to the suite and that suite was reserve for comping preferred customers and that how and why Paddock had access to it. (If there is a Paddock!)

Find the source of the article reporting the Aussie was in room 32134, find the reporter and question him, I guess. Or locate the Aussie and have him prove his claim of renting 32134 considering the hotel claims to not rent that particular room. Conversely, find another renter of that room prior to this event and prove the hotel is lying about never renting room 32134 because it is part of the complimentary suite.

Just to note, there is no mistaking room 32134 with another across the hall, as the video clearly shows it and its location in relationship to the suite. The stills we saw earlier seem to have been taken from that video.

Edited to add corrected typo in room number given as 32143 by transposing 4 with 3. Correctly, the room adjoining Paddock's suite is room 32134. Hence, Spook's comment below.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Spook » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:58 pm

Whats 32143 got to do with anything?
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Brentos » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:11 pm

The hooters, is the one right in front of Hooters Casino

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The only one in the immediate area.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby km artlu » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:16 pm

..on Mack and I's show


I apologize in advance, I know this irritates most people. I refrain from saying this shit daily and, I'm alarmed to say, ever more frequently. The premise is that language matters.

"I's" is not a word. If it was a word, it would contract "I is", which would be, you know, wrong. Or I guess that the above was meant as "belonging to me". There's a word for that, and the word is - "my".

The shortcut to get it right is to drop the other person and use what would apply if it were singular. You wouldn't say (I'm guessing here) "I's show". Presto, you'd have "Mack and my show."
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Karmamatterz » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:31 pm

Once I yelled at my girlfriend with little provocation after drinking two margaritas. Have margaritas been ruled out as Paddock's motive for becoming a carefully premeditated mass shooter of strangers?


Or maybe the shooter(s) just didn't like country music. The sappy love songs pushed him over the edge.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Iamwhomiam » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:55 pm

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Las+Vegas,+NV/@36.0917335,-115.1721584,726m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x80beb782a4f57dd1:0x3accd5e6d5b379a3!8m2!3d36.1699412!4d-115.1398296

It seems I got turned around somehow. Only the Tropicana is in between the venue and Hooters with Hooters only a block away from the venue. It would be logical to either seek shelter at the Tropicana or Hooters especially, because the emergency vehicles were queued there.

I know you're trying your best, elfis, and offering info on another shooter, but I've not seen any evidence to convince me another shooter or shooters were active during the few minutes the alleged shooter, Paddock, was firing his weapon or anytime after. No other audio or photos of another shooting elsewhere, with tens of thousands of people present? Not a person reported wounded at another site. Not a bullet hole or broken glass anywhere else.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Spook » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:59 pm

This could all be fake. So read at your discretion.
Allegedly Hodges claiming he was staying in 32134 and also stated he saw there were multiple shooters on a social media post .
I don't know what to believe at this stage.
It's all so messed up.

https://twitter.com/MikeTokes/status/920165730821193728
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