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Agent Orange Cooper wrote:The vaccine industry is the only business in America where the manufacturers carry ZERO RISK if their product causes damages. They do not test vaccines for safety or efficacy because they don't have to. In the 1980s the insurance companies flat-out refused to insure vaccine manufacturers against damages because the risk was deemed too high (ie, vaccines are unavoidable unsafe).
So our friend the government stepped in and indemnified the manufacturers (the National Vaccine Safety Act). Guess what happened? A gold rush—I mean, here's a product that carries zero risk or liability, which the government itself will buy from you (the CDC itself buys 4 billion dollars worth of vaccines every year) to distribute. Why would you not make and sell as many as you can?
Elvis » Wed Jun 06, 2018 6:54 pm wrote:This seems an important aspect of this controversy. Whatever the case may be, I don't like to see suffering as a wellspring of profits, a "market" to be exploited for money. I don't trust the exploiters.
liminalOyster » Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:48 pm wrote:Elvis » Wed Jun 06, 2018 6:54 pm wrote:This seems an important aspect of this controversy. Whatever the case may be, I don't like to see suffering as a wellspring of profits, a "market" to be exploited for money. I don't trust the exploiters.
The vaccine companies would have left the market without those protections. Not defending them (I don't support the protection) but pointing out it's more ambiguous than just big pharma corruption/protection racket etc.
Blue » Wed Jun 06, 2018 7:16 pm wrote: ..... Almost all of the recent outbreaks of measles in the US occurred within an almost 100% vaccinated population.
How do you explain that? Either the vaccine does not work or the people vaccinated contracted it from the shot.
Blaming unvaccinated people who DID NOT HAVE THE MEASLES is one of those "Big Lies" I would say.
Sounder » Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:35 pm wrote:It's not easy being a both/and person in an either/or world.
Anyway, it's an easy bet that if an industry is shielded from liability, they will make hay while the getting is good.
Americans are having fewer kids.
Cordelia » Thu Jun 07, 2018 10:28 am wrote:Blue » Wed Jun 06, 2018 7:16 pm wrote: ..... Almost all of the recent outbreaks of measles in the US occurred within an almost 100% vaccinated population.
How do you explain that? Either the vaccine does not work or the people vaccinated contracted it from the shot.
Blaming unvaccinated people who DID NOT HAVE THE MEASLES is one of those "Big Lies" I would say.
^^^Bears repeating.
Blue » Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:16 pm wrote:DrEvil, please don't call me or anyone else an anti-vaxxer who calls into question the huge exponential growth in vaccinations (for profit not health) that are mandatory for kids in the US. Almost all of the recent outbreaks of measles in the US occurred within an almost 100% vaccinated population.
How do you explain that? Either the vaccine does not work or the people vaccinated contracted it from the shot.
Blaming unvaccinated people who DID NOT HAVE THE MEASLES is one of those "Big Lies" I would say.
When you bring up the Somali/Minnesota thing you are really feeding into, I hate to say this I like you, Corporate American Lies. How sick is it to say that the children of some singled out parents in the US got the measles because they were African immigrants dumb, worried about autism and didn't know vaccinations are good?
The kids got the fucking measles, not AIDS!!!
I'm going to link to Dr. Mercola now, who is a real doctor and always has footnotes/links to scientific studies in his articles. I admit it is a couple years old because I don't have much time right now to find a newer link. Excellent information on the history of measles in the US.
Summary of article:CDC reports that no one in the US has died of measles in the last 12 years. Meanwhile, 98 measles vaccine related deaths were reported to the US government since 2003.
During that time period, 694 measles vaccine-related disabilities were reported to the Vaccine Adverse Reporting System (VAERS).
Child mortality due to measles is 200 to 400 times greater in malnourished children in less developed countries than those in developed ones; as nutrition improves, complications and deaths radically diminish.
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/arti ... ccine.aspx
When evaluating data from VAERS, it is important to note that for any reported event, no cause-and-effect relationship has been established. Reports of all possible associations between vaccines and adverse events (possible side effects) are filed in VAERS. Therefore, VAERS collects data on any adverse event following vaccination, be it coincidental or truly caused by a vaccine. The report of an adverse event to VAERS is not documentation that a vaccine caused the event.
liminalOyster » Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:41 am wrote:In fairness, Humphries does not use Wakefield as a source and is not a homeopath. I saw that Medium takedown too but based on Humphries' response, it appears to be pretty wilfully obfuscatory, which never helps matter. http://drsuzanne.net/2015/10/why-dr-suz ... t-measles/
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