Investigating Saudi Government 9/11 Connection

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Re: Investigating Saudi Government 9/11 Connection

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:02 am

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As promising as these developments may appear, I'm troubled by the emphasis on 'Saudi govt', as it seems to deflect away from US govt complicity in this. This operation was a collaborative effort.

Indeed, even my reference to 'US govt' is inaccurate; reported references to government complicity is a misdirection (unintended or deliberate).

What we do have, however, are powerful factions at the top of the pyramid operating in concert. Factions that operate untethered by arbitrary (certainly to them) country boundaries/govt constraints. Untouchables, to this point.

I have little faith that any of this will turn out to be much more than more '911 truth' white noise.
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Re: Investigating Saudi Government 9/11 Connection

Postby seemslikeadream » Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:23 am

The 9/11 families will not ignore/forget this and I am thankful for that......

one can pretend or ignore what has happened or was is happening in this world or think it is foolish to follow what is happening ...not me
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Re: Investigating Saudi Government 9/11 Connection

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:25 am

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You are either misunderstanding, or misrepresenting, my point.
No one is suggesting to ignore this -- quite the contrary.

Of course the families won't forget. Nor will millions of others.

But what good is 'never forgetting' if those responsible remain free of consequence?
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Re: Investigating Saudi Government 9/11 Connection

Postby seemslikeadream » Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:27 am

I thought you were saying it was foolish

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never forgetting is never forgetting...not all are held responsible but that does not mean we should ignore
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Re: Investigating Saudi Government 9/11 Connection

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:33 am

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To repeat. I am not, and have not in any way, suggested this topic should be ignored.

As with most things that are happening in the world today -- and throughout history -- there is an unfortunate tendency for honest/genuine inquiry to fall prey to misdirection. Part of this is due to concerted efforts by those in power to actively misdirect those seeking answers/justice.

There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root.
- Thoreau.

Edited to add: searching for the truth is never a foolish endeavor. What's foolish is expecting answers from major media outlets, or accepting readily available media narratives at face value. More often than not -- and this is particularly true when there's 'reporting' on politically-themed topics -- additional due diligence and deeper digging will be required to glean a measure of truth from the avalanche of lies.
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Re: Investigating Saudi Government 9/11 Connection

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:36 pm

Adam Klasfeld

NEW: Judge sets the agenda for a hearing in the 9/11 liabilities suit against Saudi Arabia on Feb. 26.

Mostly discovery matters dominate, along with the kingdoms motion to seal and redact certain information.

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Re: Investigating Saudi Government 9/11 Connection

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:09 pm


Alleged 9/11 Mastermind Open to Helping Victims’ Lawsuit if U.S. Doesn’t Seek Death Penalty

Guantanamo detainee Khalid Sheikh Mohammed’s pending trial is still in flux

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is seen in these undated photos released by the FBI. PHOTO: GETTY IMAGES
By Jess Bravin and Andrew Restuccia
July 29, 2019 2:53 pm ET
WASHINGTON—Alleged Sept. 11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed has said he may be willing to help victims of the terrorist attacks in their lawsuit against Saudi Arabia if the U.S. government forgoes seeking the death penalty against him at a Guantanamo Bay military commission.

Mr. Mohammed’s offer was disclosed in a Friday filing in the victims’ federal lawsuit in New York, which accuses the Saudi government of helping coordinate the 2001 suicide attacks that claimed nearly 3,000 lives when terrorists crashed hijacked airliners into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and, after passengers resisted, a Pennsylvania field. Riyadh has denied complicity in the attacks.

Separately, President Trump signed legislation on Monday that funds medical claims from victims of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks for the rest of their lives.

In the lawsuit against Saudi Arabia, plaintiffs’ lawyers had contacted three of the five Guantanamo detainees accused in the Sept. 11 conspiracy to request depositions. In the Friday filing, a status letter to U.S. Magistrate Judge Sarah Netburn, the lawyers wrote that earlier Friday, Mr. Mohammed’s counsel told them their client wouldn’t consent to a deposition “at the present time.”

But the lawyer said that “the primary driver” of this decision is the “capital nature of the prosecution” and that “[i]n the absence of a potential death sentence much broader cooperation would be possible.”

A lawyer for the Saudi government, Michael Kellogg, declined to comment.

Mr. Mohammed, who also is suspected in the murder of Wall Street Journal correspondent Daniel Pearl, previously took a more defiant position.

At a June 2008 Guantanamo hearing, Mr. Mohammed interrupted when a military judge described the proceeding as “a death-penalty case.” It was a “martyr case,” the defendant said. “This is what I wish. I’ve been looking to be martyred for a long time,” he said.

“A lot has happened in the past 10 years,” said a person familiar with the Guantanamo proceedings. “The 9/11 defendants are not as interested as they once were in martyring themselves.”

In 2017, the Defense Department official overseeing the proceedings, Harvey Rishikof, began exploring a potential plea bargain with the Sept. 11 defendants that would exchange guilty pleas for life sentences.

Mr. Rishikof is said to have been concerned that the prosecution had been undermined by the torture inflicted upon Mr. Mohammed and other defendants at secret Central Intelligence Agency facilities overseas—an issue that has mired the case in years of pretrial hearings and raised the possibility that a military or federal court could sanction government misconduct by barring the death penalty.

After word spread of plea discussions, Mr. Rishikof was fired by then Defense Secretary Jim Mattis for what Mr. Mattis said were unrelated reasons.

One of the main goals of those now-scotched plea negotiations was obtaining cooperation from the defendants, the person familiar with the Guantanamo proceedings said.

“One of the main things that the 9/11 defendants have to offer is closure, particularly closure for the victims,” this person said. “With capital charges gone, there is an opportunity to tell the story of 9/11 once and for all.”

James Kreindler, a lawyer for the Sept. 11 victims suing Saudi Arabia, said his team contacted Mr. Mohammed and his co-defendants as part of wide-ranging discovery in the case.

“We’re trying to leave no stone unturned,” Mr. Kreindler said Monday. “But who knows whether they’ll ever testify or be honest or be cooperative?” He added that his clients take no position on the death penalty for Guantanamo defendants.

The legislation to fund victims’ medical claims, signed during a ceremony at the White House Rose Garden Monday, appropriates funds for all current and future approved claims made through the September 11th Victim Compensation Fund until 2090, at an estimated cost of $10.2 billion over the next 10 years.

“You have gone far beyond your duty to us, and today we strive to fulfill our sacred duty to you,” Mr. Trump told first responders, families of victims and survivors of the attacks who attended the White House event.

The legislation passed the Senate last week and the House earlier this month, both with overwhelming bipartisan support.

The fund was established to compensate the victims of the 2001 terrorist attacks as well as relatives of those who were killed and first responders who suffered health consequences from exposure to debris at the sites.
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