Moderators: Elvis, DrVolin, Jeff
undead » Sun Apr 26, 2020 1:29 pm wrote:This is kind of unbelievable - such a vast majority with no symptoms... in prisons?
In four U.S. state prisons, nearly 3,300 inmates test positive for coronavirus -- 96% without symptoms
t's a tale only the best conspiracy theorist could dream up.
Eleven microbiologists mysteriously dead over the span of just five months. Some of them world leaders in developing weapons-grade biological plagues. Others the best in figuring out how to stop millions from dying because of biological weapons. Still others, experts in the theory of bioterrorism.
Throw in a few Russian defectors, a few nervy U.S. biotech companies, a deranged assassin or two, a bit of Elvis, a couple of Satanists, a subtle hint of espionage, a big whack of imagination, and the plot is complete, if a bit reminiscent of James Bond.
Grizzly » Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:49 pm wrote:
Just saying...
Saying what, though? What is the connective tissue here? How does that come to bear on our current situation?
The international body charged with policing bioweapons is the Biological Weapons Convention. Its annual budget is just €1.4m (£1.2m). As Ord points out with due derision, that sum is less than the turnover of the average McDonald’s restaurant.
If that’s food for thought, Ord has another gastronomic comparison that’s even harder to swallow. While he’s not sure exactly how much the world invests in measuring existential risk, he’s confident, he writes, that we spend “more on ice-cream every year than on ensuring that the technologies we develop don’t destroy us”.
Grizzly » Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:59 pm wrote:Saying what, though? What is the connective tissue here? How does that come to bear on our current situation?
Dr. Frank Plummer : A recent death in February 2020 of a Canadian microbiologist who was the head of Winnipeg level 4 bio lab and was working on HIV vaccine. https://gumshoenews.com/2020/02/09/death-of-dr-frank-plummer-and-the-bio-weapon-corona-virus/
This is the same level 4 bio lab that kicked out two top Chinese researchers and their Chinese student researchers in July :
Dr. Xiangguo Qiu, her husband Keding Cheng and an unknown number of her students from China were removed from Canada's only level-4 lab on July 5.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/chinese-researcher-escorted-from-infectious-disease-lab-amid-rcmp-investigation-1.5211567
In 2009, another Chinese researcher was arrested for smuggling Ebola and other samples from the same lab: https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/charged-with-smuggling-in-u-s-ex-winnipeg-researcher-cops-a-plea-1.820854
Additionally, another researcher has recently disappeared from the Winnipeg Lab, Geoff Soule.
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Geoff_Soule
Lots of curious events surrounding the same lab, I hope some people dig into this a bit more.
0_0 » Sat Apr 25, 2020 11:58 pm wrote:Elvis, while you stating that it's bullshit is certainly all the proof i would ever need, even more so when your best friend personally knows the scientists involved, still for the doubting thomases out there (how dare they!!!! grrrrr!!!) could you elaborate what in this video is wrong and why?
DrEvil wrote:3) It has Marc Morano in it.
The tiny minority of credentialed contrarians are propped up by an enormous web of denial blogs written by non-climate scientists and non-scientists, such as “ClimateDepot” (by the Washington DC conservative outfit CFACT), the conservative Heartland Institute, WattsUpWithThat (headed by conservative TV meteorologist Anthony Watts), “RealClimateScience” (not to be confused with RealClimate.org, a blog by real climate scientists), NoTricksZone (with writers such as Kenneth Richard who I have examined before), Tony Heller (a longtime conspiracy theorist who used to go by the alias Steve Goddard), JoNova, and “Friends of Science”. Even publications like Washington Post and Forbes have published articles from professional pseudo-skeptics like James Taylor (Heartland Institute), and the New York Times recently hired conservative pseudo-skeptic Bret Stephens.
https://www.skepticalscience.com/agw-de ... ained.html
The Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow (CFACT) is a Washington, D.C.-based 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization founded in 1985 that advocates for free-market solutions to environmental issues.
...
Staffers include communications director Marc Morano
...
In 2010, nearly half of CFACT's funding came from Donors Trust, a nonprofit donor-advised fund with the goal of "safeguarding the intent of libertarian and conservative donors".[9] .[10] In 2011, CFACT received a $1.2 million grant from Donors Trust, 40% of CFACT's revenue that year.[11] Peabody Energy funded CFACT before its bankruptcy as did Robert E. Murray's Murray Energy before its bankruptcy.[12][13]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee ... e_Tomorrow
Wombaticus Rex wrote:It sounds baffling indeed but it's likely related to the incentive structure of prison life, which is radically different from the outside. What happens if you admit to having symptoms? Are there reasons why you'd be better off refusing to admit you were having symptoms? Where do you get moved to?
In a lot of ways this prisoner's dilemma structure is close kin to the predicament of my friends in NYC last month who figured they were probably sick but didn't want to make the pilgrimage to a hospital to get tested. Because after waiting for hours in cramped conditions surrounded by infected people, equipment, surfaces and air, "probably" would get upgraded to "definitely."
The same logic probably holds true for prisoners who don't want to get moved to solitary wings or special temporary facilities where they'd be crowded in with severely afflicted prisoners who are definitely infected -- all while being monitored by poorly paid, poorly trained medical staff who don't give a fuck about you and would prefer to avoid you altogether and just make it to the end of another shift.
Grizzly » Mon Apr 27, 2020 12:49 am wrote:Within 5 months between 11/2001 and 03/2002, 11 of the world's leading microbiologists died suspiciously.
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/g8g9zg/within_5_months_between_112001_and_032002_11_of/
much more info in the commentst's a tale only the best conspiracy theorist could dream up.
Eleven microbiologists mysteriously dead over the span of just five months. Some of them world leaders in developing weapons-grade biological plagues. Others the best in figuring out how to stop millions from dying because of biological weapons. Still others, experts in the theory of bioterrorism.
Throw in a few Russian defectors, a few nervy U.S. biotech companies, a deranged assassin or two, a bit of Elvis, a couple of Satanists, a subtle hint of espionage, a big whack of imagination, and the plot is complete, if a bit reminiscent of James Bond.
What Happened to Don Wiley? - Boston Magazine
https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2006/05/15/what-happened-to-don-wiley/
Just saying...
Wombaticus Rex wrote:In a lot of ways this prisoner's dilemma structure is close kin to the predicament of my friends in NYC last month who figured they were probably sick but didn't want to make the pilgrimage to a hospital to get tested. Because after waiting for hours in cramped conditions surrounded by infected people, equipment, surfaces and air, "probably" would get upgraded to "definitely."
Recommendations for international trafic
WHO continues to advise against the application of travel or trade restrictions to countries experiencing COVID-19 outbreaks.
In general, evidence shows that restricting the movement of people and goods during public health emergencies is ineffective in most situations and may divert resources from other interventions. Furthermore, restrictions may interrupt needed aid and technical support, may disrupt businesses, and may have negative social and economic effects on the affected countries. However, in certain circumstances, measures that restrict the movement of people may prove temporarily useful, such as in settings with few international connections and limited response capacities.
Travel measures that significantly interfere with international traffic may only be justified at the beginning of an outbreak, as they may allow countries to gain time, even if only a few days, to rapidly implement effective preparedness measures. Such restrictions must be based on a careful risk assessment, be proportionate to the public health risk, be short in duration, and be reconsidered regularly as the situation evolves.
Travel bans to affected areas or denial of entry to passengers coming from affected areas are usually not effective in preventing the importation of cases but may have a significant economic and social impact.
"Prof Babak Javid, Principal Investigator, Tsinghua University School of Medicine, Beijing, and Consultant in infectious diseases at Cambridge University Hospitals, said:
“The initial WHO statement was very confusing and highlights how technically precise language such as ‘no evidence to support’ can have very different meanings to scientists and the general public. In the clarification, the WHO acknowledges that although it is true that we just don’t know whether natural infection provides long-lasting immunity, or to what degree of protection (i.e. ‘no evidence’), this does NOT mean they do not expect some degree of immunity to be afforded by natural infection, quite the opposite.
“In fact, we know from experiments performed in the UK in the 1970s and 1980s that there is immunity to common-cold coronaviruses, that this immunity is highly correlated with antibody responses, and that the immunity is not long-lasting. So given that we know that the majority of people that have had COVID-19 develop neutralising antibody responses, it is reasonable to assume that they will develop at least short-term immunity from re-infection. The critical questions are how robust that immunity would be, and for how long it would last. These questions can be reasonably addressed by performing longitudinal studies in people known to have been infected: i.e. test their antibody responses over time, especially if they are in high-risk groups (such as healthcare workers); and monitor whether antibodies are associated with protection from re-infection in the light of an ongoing pandemic.”
“On a more general note, the high degree of anxiety provoked by the WHO’s message, and their rapid correction of their intended meaning emphasises the need for scientists and science organisations not to hide behind precise terms that may be misleading to a general audience.”
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 7 guests