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Postby Belligerent Savant » Mon Feb 13, 2023 10:52 pm

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Since it hasn't yet been posted here, and to this point wholly ignored by Major News Outlets (far as I've been told so far -- I don't watch the news generally).

EDIT: sharing this here does not = I subscribe fully to this author's estimates/claims for harms to be caused by this. All remains TBD.

https://veryvirology.substack.com/p/rec ... derailment
Recap: East Palestine Derailment
As if things weren't bad enough already...

Adam Gaertner
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A freight train carrying hundreds of thousands of gallons of extremely toxic chemicals derailed in East Palestine, Ohio, on February 3rd, 2023, spilling its chemical contents, and was then detonated and burned off by local authorities working with Norfolk Southern rail. Media was near-silent about it in the first critical couple of days, an investigating reporter on the scene was arrested, and the only place anyone really seemed to care about it was Twitter. The ramifications of this are going to be felt for years. A large part of Ohio has been rendered temporarily uninhabitable - not that authorities are going to actually tell anybody that - and the impacts are going to be felt all the way down to Louisiana as the contamination spreads from the Ohio River to the Mississippi and into the surrounding farmland.

A quick recap of what’s just the very latest disaster to hit us …

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What was it carrying?

Most of the concern has been about vinyl chloride, which is an extraordinarily carcinogenic precursor to most of the plastics we use. Very tiny quantities, on the order of 1 ppm, are sufficient to cause extensive cancers and death within months; everybody in the path of the toxic cloud was exposed to concentrations up to 50ppm.

However - that’s not all it was carrying. In total, the train was loaded with:

Five tanks of vinyl chloride

One tank of ethylene glycol monobutyl ether

One tank of ethylhexyl acrylate

One tank of isobutylene

One tank of butyl acrylates

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It would be bad enough if it was all just released as-is. Of course, it gets worse: rather than try to clean it up, which would have been dangerous, expensive, and delayed reopening the rail line - they decided to burn it all. So, in addition to all of those chemicals - not all of which will have been “successfully” burned, many of which seeped into the groundwater, and will have been aerosolized into the air - we also now have the Midwest water table contaminated with the following:

Vinyl Chloride (VC):

Combustion product: hydrogen chloride (HCl)

Reacts with water vapor to form hydrochloric acid and phosgene

Health risks: cancer, respiratory irritation, central nervous system depression, death

Ethylene Glycol Monobutyl Ether (EGMBE):

Combustion product: acrolein

Health risks: cancer, respiratory irritation, central nervous system depression

Ethylhexyl Acrylate (EHAA):

Combustion product: formaldehyde

Health risks: cancer, respiratory irritation, headaches, nausea

Isobutylene (i-C4H8):

Combustion product: formaldehyde

Butyl Acrylates:

Combustion product: formaldehyde

Everybody in the path of the cloud, and anybody using or consuming contaminated groundwater, or water from the Ohio or (soon) Mississippi River, has been and is being exposed to a number of extremely potent carcinogens, and the World War I chemical weapon phosgene. These aren’t the “everything causes cancer” carcinogens; the State of California might have determined that coffee and bikinis “might” cause cancer, but these most certainly will, and at very, very low exposures. To make matters worse, these chemicals will not quickly degrade once they’re in the soil: while we’re not talking hundreds of years like Chernobyl, it will take at least a full year before the chemicals in the soil and water will degrade and become harmless.

Who’s affected?

Tens of millions of people.

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The first concern is the gigantic cloud of death that was, to the apparent surprise of local authorities, trapped in an inversion layer in the atmosphere; instead of dissipating, lingering, coherent and very densely concentrated. At first, the winds were blowing easterly, endangering PA; subsequently, they have shifted north-northwest-northeast, blanketing the rest of northern Ohio, parts of Michigan, and presently threatening Toronto.

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The skies of V̶e̶n̶u̶s East Palestine.

The thick, dark clouds are composed of hydrochloric acid and phosgene; you’ll find similar conditions on the surface of Venus. Cars driving through the affected areas have been reportedly showing signs of corrosion, and people outdoors have reported coughing fits, watering eyes, breathing difficulty and neurological effects. Everyone in the path of the cloud, or exposed to the contaminated groundwater, is very highly likely to suffer aggressive cancers over the coming months; wildlife and livestock have been dying en masse, within a 200 mile radius thus far, and rivers and streams are full of dead fish.

It gets worse.


The region of America fed by the Mississippi River stretches over 2300 miles, and constitutes America’s largest regions of fertile farmland. Huge quantities of toxic chemicals have leached into the river, which is used for both human drinking water and agricultural irrigation and livestock feed, across Indiana, Kentucky, Tennessee, Arkansas, Louisiana and Mississippi, downstream of the Ohio River, where the derailment occurred. These chemicals are also highly toxic to plant life. While authorities are taking some measures to contain the damage, the response has been lackluster and slow, with the government and the rail company apparently much more interested in covering it up, downplaying it, and getting the trains running again. By the way, there was another hazardous derailment today in Houston!

This disastrous situation is likely to have a devastating impact on the farmland in the region, potentially delivering yet another major blow to the food supply. As toxic chemicals continue seeping into the soil and groundwater, the loss of fertile land and the death of wildlife and livestock will have far-reaching consequences, further increasing food prices and emptying shelves. The Mississippi River Basin is used for the irrigation of a huge proportion of American food exports and locally consumed wheat and corn. The second-order effects on farming are likely to impact food production for at least the next couple of years.

What can we do?

Unfortunately, this isn’t one of those stories that comes with a happy ending. The toxic clouds are still moving around the Northeast, and the contamination of the Ohio River has likely already reached the Mississippi. While some local officials have begun installing a separate intake to avoid using Ohio River water, it’s already been ten days since the derailment, and four days since the burnoff began; too little, too late doesn’t even begin to cover it, and we should expect to see confirmation of Mississippi contamination in short order.

I did just release an article detailing several known cures for cancer, so that may be of some help to the millions of people in the path of this disaster. Even so, there’s only around 7000 oncologists in the US, and with so many millions of people likely to suffer rapidly progressing cancers in the coming months, expert advice and treatment is going to be in very short supply. Even the Three Mile Island meltdown can’t hold a candle to this. The EPA recommends high-quality water filters to remove vinyl chloride from drinking water, although they aren’t entirely effective; shower and washing water will likely be similarly contaminated in the affected areas for some time.

Local authorities did issue a temporary evacuation order; barely days after the burnoff began, they advised residents that they could return if they wanted. That abhorrently poor advice is surely going to cost thousands of lives. Don’t worry about the smell of chlorine in the air, either. The distance between conspiracy theory and reality is down to about a month these days; given that Netflix only just released a movie, filmed on location in East Palestine, about this precise scenario, does make one wonder if there was any premeditation precipitating these events. I suppose we’ll find out in short order.

My sympathies go out to anybody in the affected areas. There is a GoFundMe here to provide help to East Palestine locals via charities in the area.

I’ll be following developments as they happen on Twitter.

Local videos discussing the ramifications: One Two Three Four

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Postby Grizzly » Tue Feb 14, 2023 11:43 pm




"The best way to mitigate the toxic effects of vinyl chloride is to get vaccinated!"

Just like New Yorkers were told Ground Zero air was safe. It wasn't. Christine Todd Whitman lied. But damn if I can find any video's on yourube about it.
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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Wed Feb 15, 2023 5:31 am

This thing is an environmental nightmare. Are youse serious that it isn't being covered by the news?

I struggle to believe UFOs being shot down all over the world is just a distraction tho.
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Postby Harvey » Wed Feb 15, 2023 7:38 am

https://nypost.com/2023/02/14/deadly-ohio-train-derailment-eerily-predicted-on-netflix-scary/

Deadly Ohio train derailment eerily ‘predicted’ on Netflix: ‘Scary’
By Brooke Kato

Life imitates art.

It seems that the Netflix movie “White Noise” somehow eerily predicted the train derailment in Ohio earlier this month, as the fiery crash and fictional blockbuster share some of the same details.

East Palestine, Ohio, resident Ben Ratner, who also played an evacuee extra in “White Noise,” told People that the situation was “scary.”

“Talk about art imitating life,” the 37-year-old father-of-four told the outlet.

The 2022 film is set in a small town where Adam Driver’s character, Jack Gladney, is a Hitler studies professor. Husband to Babette, played by Greta Gerwig, he is forced to navigate his family through a toxic airborne event after a train derails mere miles away from their home.

“And you can just about drive yourself crazy thinking about how uncanny the similarities are between what’s happening now and in that movie,” Ratner said.

Created as fiction, the flick, based on the 1985 book of the same title, strikes haunting similarities to the East Palestine, Ohio, disaster that occurred less than two weeks ago...
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Postby Pele'sDaughter » Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:21 am

They told residents yesterday that it's safe to return. This is a disaster of monumental proportions happening in the breadbasket of our country with contaminated rivers and tributaries carrying it through a huge area. Horrifying doesn't come close to describing it.
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Postby Harvey » Wed Feb 15, 2023 2:12 pm

Apparently EPA is telling residents the water is safe to drink despite everything in it being dead.
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Postby stickdog99 » Wed Feb 15, 2023 5:22 pm

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/igniti ... ry-13-2023

Government experts came up with a plan to blow up millions of gallons of poisonous chemicals after a train wreck. I've gathered up all the reliable news in one place for you.

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While we were all focused on corporate media coverage of military press briefings about the United States’ new war on unidentified weather balloons, which I will cover in more depth tomorrow, another more important story was quietly exploding in a small Ohio town. There’s little substantive media coverage of the alarming ecological disaster unfolding right now in Biblically-named East Palestine,

Ohio. It’s been happening for over a week and you are probably just finding out about it.

To set the table, I searched the Wall Street Journal and found a series of bland articles covering the unfolding disaster that abruptly stopped three days ago. It sure looks like the Journal received orders to forget the story or something.

The WSJ’s first story published on February 5th, headlined, “Ohio Train Derailment, Fire Battle Rural Town.” The sub-headline reassured that “Officials say water and air are safe so far, but urge people to ‘stay away from East Palestine.’”

So far! Remember that, about the air and water. The Journal’s February 5th article described the accident like this:

Fifty cars on a Norfolk Southern Corp. train derailed Friday night about 9 p.m., causing a chemical fire. The National Transportation Safety Board said the eastbound train included 141 load cars, nine empty cars and three locomotives. It departed Madison, Ill., and was headed to Conway, Pa., when it derailed.

Mr. Conaway and Fire Chief Keith Drabick said emergency-response officials are aware of 14 cars carrying vinyl chloride, a colorless gas that can easily burn and is used to make polyvinyl chloride hard plastic resin. Because of the smoldering fire, emergency responders haven’t been able to access the derailed cars.

Kurt Kollar, with the Ohio Environmental Protection Agency’s office of emergency response, said officials were monitoring chemicals that reached some nearby streams, but said there is no current risk to the area’s drinking water.


Each of the fourteen chemical cars carried 25,000 to 33,000 gallons of vinyl chloride. That’s close to a half million gallons, or millions and millions of pounds of the chemical. From Encyclopedia Brittanica:

Vinyl chloride, also called chloroethylene, [is] a colourless, flammable, toxic gas belonging to the family of organohalogen compounds and used principally in making polyvinyl chloride, or PVC, a widely used plastic with numerous applications… Vinyl chloride can cause liver damage, and it is classified as a known human carcinogen.


A spill of carcinogens would be remarkably bad timing if a population had somehow injured their cancer-fighting immune responses. Just spitballing.

OSHA considers vinyl chloride dangerous at 1 part per million (PPM). Here is the NJ Department of Health emergency responder reference for vinyl chloride spills, which says burning the chemical can cause an explosion, among other alarming facts.

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So, reading between the lines of the Journal’s February 5th article, we can visualize baffled, gas-masked EPA bureaucrats standing there in East Palestine, peering dazedly at 141 derailed train cars, watching the chemicals gushing into local streams and, presumably, soaking into the town’s ground water, and wondering what to do. They knew East Palestine’s streams connect to the Ohio River, which feeds the Mississippi River, which dumps into the Gulf of Mexico through a vast delta system.

The bureaucrats almost certainly felt a keen sense of urgency to do … something. But what? A massive cleanup operation, as described in New Jersey’s Emergency Responder Quick Reference, would have been expensive, time-consuming, and even more damning, would have gotten a lot of bad media coverage of something you’d expect to see in the Third World, not in America’s breadbasket. No. They needed something … quicker.

On February 6th, the Journal’s headline read “Ohio Train Derailment Prompts Explosion Concerns, Evacuation Order.” The headline suggests the train could have spontaneously exploded, but the more nuanced truth appears in the sub-headline: “Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine on Monday instructed residents of East Palestine, Ohio, to stay away from their homes as officials planned to release chemical gas from five derailed tanker cars.”

Ah. So, before it all “exploded,” they planned to deliberately release the chemicals. Why?

The answer appears in an “update” on Norfolk Southern’s website and in a second article about the chemical train derailment published in the Journal on the same day, February 6th, which included this initial paragraph:

A team of experts released a chemical from five tanker cars and ignited it Monday afternoon to prevent a potentially catastrophic explosion following a train derailment Friday along the border of Ohio and Pennsylvania.


They “ignited it.” In contrast, the Norfolk Southern update said they planned to ‘vent’ the chemicals, and admitted they knew it would catch on fire:

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The Journal cited the use of “experts.” They called in the experts! Thank goodness experts were on the scene. I bet knowing the government’s experts were working the job made those fretful East Palestinians feel a lot better. And so the experts came up with a carefully-designed plan with a lot of moving parts: lighting the chemicals on fire, “to prevent a POTENTIALLY catastrophic explosion.”

It was a plan my military-obsessed 12-year old son would come up with on his first try.

The plan must have been terrific, since experts designed it. So what do you suppose happened next? Remember: the GOVERNMENT’S experts were deciding what to do. Ohio’s EPA is packed with diversity hires and nepotistic appointments. And they were being advised by FEDERAL experts and officials as well as the chemical industry’s public relations damage-control team. So we are NOT talking the country’s best and brightest, who were all laid off for not taking the jabs anyway.

As the headline explained, the plan to stop the chemicals from quickly draining into the Ohio river, sorry, I mean to “PREVENT a catastrophic explosion,” the government’s bumbling, industry-captured experts wound up CAUSING a catastrophic explosion.

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New Jersey’s Fact Sheet says burning vinyl chloride makes it into hydrogen chloride, which easily binds with water to make hydrochloric acid, and phosgene, a deadly gas, the use of which is a war crime. Hydrogen chloride is not much fun either, as the Encyclopedia Brittanica points out:

Exposure to 0.1 percent by volume hydrogen chloride gas in the atmosphere may cause death in a few minutes. Concentrated hydrochloric acid causes burns and inflammation of the skin.


On February 6th, the same day the experts detonated the chemicals, CBS News ran a story reporting dead fish appearing in creeks up to five miles away. The sub-headline read, “A couple who live about five miles from where the train derailed spotted dead fish in Leslie Run on Sunday night and Monday morning; KDKA’s Erica Mokay reports.”

The Ohio River is only fifteen miles from the site of the accident.

On February 7th, two days after experts blew up the vinyl chloride, the Journal reported a mandatory evacuation in East Palestine was underway. Note that they didn’t evacuate folks BEFORE they blew up the chemicals.* In other words, they didn’t

predict the fallout.

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UPDATE: A commenter who lives in the area said there was a pre-venting evacuation within a one-mile radius. Officials failed to foresee the need for the larger evacuation.

On February 8th, the Pennsylvania Department of Health published a fact sheet reassuring residents there was no danger to them or to their animals:

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On February 9th, the Journal reported residents had been cleared to return home and start baking casseroles and making hot chocolate. Nothing to worry about. It’s fine.

Meanwhile, social media posts by locals were telling a completely different, much more dramatic, and wildly alarming story. Locals have been reporting a massive wildlife die off. Fish dying in streams, flocks of birds falling out of the sky, chickens and cows dying on farms, pets dying in people’s yards. Reports of animal deaths up to 100 miles away were appearing as of this morning.

I couldn’t confirm any of those animal deaths except for the fish kills. There’re no local media reports of dead animals, and I found no credible first-hand posts or video on social media. So for now, all we know for sure is that a LOT of fish died.

On the fourth day following the explosion, the corporate media narrative started mutating. The Journal ran its final story on the derailment on February 10th, three days ago, and the headline read, “Train Axle Was On Fire Before Derailment, Video Shows.”

It was already burning? Oh. Okay. So … I guess it would have exploded anyway, is that right? That’s what we’re supposed to conclude? They couldn’t put the fire out somehow?

Since that pathetic excuse for a story ran, there’s not been a single article in the Journal about the crash, the chemicals, the ecological impact, the response, the cleanup, or anything else related to the derailment after that. There’s absolutely nothing after the February 10th’s lame attempt to make it sound like the train was going to detonate anyway. I had to find other sources to continue the timeline. ...

While some online pundits already consider the derailment story “old news,” the story continues to develop. Yesterday, local WKBN news ran a story headlined, “3 Additional Chemicals Discovered on East Palestine Train Derailment.” Oh. According to the story, the U.S. EPA said ethylene glycol monobutyl ether, ethylhexyl acrylate and isobutylene were also in the rail cars that were “derailed, breached and/or on fire.”

Now they tell us! There was no reference to the experts’ intentional venting, burning and exploding. And we can also safely conclude that they have no idea what the environmental impact will be yet.

Yesterday, Reuters ran a story on the derailment quoting Judith Enck, a former EPA regional administrator, who said it was “unconscionable” that the EPA hadn’t publicly listed ALL the chemicals that were in the trains. The agency, she said, should launch a website showing local water and air test results “in a way that is easy for the public to understand.”

Then late yesterday the U.S. EPA posted the full manifest. There were lots of chemicals on that train, not just four. ...

I’m not the only one who’s skeptical of the evolving narrative. Local WKBN quoted Silverado Caggiano, a hazardous materials specialist, who explained “We basically nuked a town with chemicals so we could get a railroad open.” The specialist recommended that everyone in East Palestine should immediately get a health check-up, to make a record of where their health stands now, so that moving forward, they can document any injuries possibly related to the train derailment.

Norfolk Southern, the railway operator responsible for the accident, posted a long FAQ. They are offering financial assistance and home testing to anyone in the area:

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My guess is that, to receive financial assistance, folks will probably have to sign something. If so, people should read the fine print carefully, and make 100% sure they aren’t releasing the railway from liability.

Norfolk Southern acknowledged the fish kill, but told residents not to worry about that:

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I reviewed Norfolk Southern’s other FAQs. The answers include way too many lawyer weasel words, like “probably” and “as far as we know.” For example, in response to the question “Is my drinking water safe?”, Norfolk Southern provided this answer:

Due to the location of the derailment, it is improbable that substances from the derailment will impact the groundwater or drinking water wells in the area.


“Improbable.” That’s a weasel word. The right answer should have been that they’ve installed permanent testing wells and are posting the test results online in real time. Or they should have top railway officials go down to East Palestine and drink the water on camera. How about that?

Although corporate media isn’t covering it, a regional cleanup operation appears to be underway. One example is in this Twitter video, apparently showing environmental mitigation workers painstakingly collecting dead fish from streams, one slippery deceased minnow at a time.

Here’s a video explainer posted to TikTok by someone who seems to know what they’re talking about. But I couldn’t confirm his identity.

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Postby stickdog99 » Wed Feb 15, 2023 6:47 pm

This 2022 movie was filmed on location in East Palestine, Ohio

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Postby Harvey » Wed Feb 15, 2023 9:03 pm

I know that nobody wants to hear it.

We're dealing with mass murderers with limited imagination, unlimited ambition and unlimited resources. You're all fucked. Unless you realise that. You and your families and all the perpetrators you work for are almost identical in culpability to me and everyone else. That is to say we're all innocents compared to the bastards controlling all of this. The real shit heads own the joint, and none of the 99.9% of the rest of us are anything like them, despite the fact that many of us are shitheads also. Unite or die. Learn who your real enemy is or continue to hate all the wrong targets and die. I've said more than a few times, we're at war, but those we are at war against have the power to declare war to disguise the fact of their war crimes against all of us. Russians are not at war with Ukrainians. Nor are Israeli's at war with Palestinians. We are at war with ourselves because the bastards with power designed it that way.

Please. Sleepwalkers. Wake up. I'm so tired of trying to see it all for you. Many others are also tired. Wake up. It's too late not to. Please.
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Postby DrEvil » Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:21 pm

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Postby drstrangelove » Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:49 pm

It would be interesting to look into which areas of the united states corporate outfits and the likes of bill gates bought up farmland. I'd assume the Amish weren't interested in selling.
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