Moon landings---a partial 'hoax'?

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Re: Moon landings---a partial 'hoax'?

Postby Belligerent Savant » Mon Jan 19, 2026 12:55 pm

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I chortle at those that continue to subscribe to the Moon landings (and future Mars missions!) as presented to the masses.

If the last ~5 years in particular haven't woken you up to the extent of brazen (in some cases long-running) deceptions in play, nothing will.

At this point-- as with most topics raised in this current era of discord-- many (perhaps most) are not interested in true objective assessment, or an earnest re-assessment of their affirmed beliefs; they seek only to cite data that further legitimizes -- or appears to legitimize -- their entrenched positions. There remain a few here, and elsewhere, that are willing to challenge their beliefs (and or prevailing sentiments). One can argue that more are beginning to question prevailing dogmas of our age. But it appears there remain a sizable contingent that will simply never consider a re-calibration.


Remember: I was once a 'believer' in the moon landings (though i've always held an inquisitive mindset; 'curious/investigative by nature' has been my mindset from as early as I can remember).

The tendency here to present questions/themes that are essentially repeated every ~5 pages or so (rather than checking back on historical comments within threads, where many/most of the claims and counterpoints are already addressed) is quite a spectacle as well, though I believe part of this is due to the lack of efficient search function within this anachronistic board.

In any event, enjoy the fanciful narratives.
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Re: Moon landings---a partial 'hoax'?

Postby Harvey » Mon Jan 19, 2026 2:25 pm

Hey, BelSav, I take it you're saying the LROC site has already been discussed, my queries already posed, nothing addressed. Searching RI is almost as impossible as getting the page to load so...

In any case, BenDhyan, at this point I can only ask, are you now in, or have you ever been to Stepford?
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Re: Moon landings---a partial 'hoax'?

Postby Belligerent Savant » Mon Jan 19, 2026 5:10 pm

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Aactually the LROC-specific discussion is always worth revisiting, though the responses are what's usually predictable (from those in the "moon landings occurred as described" camp). Here's a couple other LROC-related postings other moon-related threads:

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=29514&p=673548&hilit=LROC#p673548

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=24231&p=275395&hilit=LROC#p275395
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Re: Moon landings---a partial 'hoax'?

Postby BenDhyan » Mon Jan 19, 2026 7:06 pm

Belligerent Savant » Tue Jan 20, 2026 2:55 am wrote:.
I chortle at those that continue to subscribe to the Moon landings (and future Mars missions!) as presented to the masses.

If the last ~5 years in particular haven't woken you up to the extent of brazen (in some cases long-running) deceptions in play, nothing will.

At this point-- as with most topics raised in this current era of discord-- many (perhaps most) are not interested in true objective assessment, or an earnest re-assessment of their affirmed beliefs; they seek only to cite data that further legitimizes -- or appears to legitimize -- their entrenched positions. There remain a few here, and elsewhere, that are willing to challenge their beliefs (and or prevailing sentiments). One can argue that more are beginning to question prevailing dogmas of our age. But it appears there remain a sizable contingent that will simply never consider a re-calibration.


Remember: I was once a 'believer' in the moon landings (though i've always held an inquisitive mindset; 'curious/investigative by nature' has been my mindset from as early as I can remember).

The tendency here to present questions/themes that are essentially repeated every ~5 pages or so (rather than checking back on historical comments within threads, where many/most of the claims and counterpoints are already addressed) is quite a spectacle as well, though I believe part of this is due to the lack of efficient search function within this anachronistic board.

In any event, enjoy the fanciful narratives.

Hmmm, Artemis is about to send three NASA astronauts through the Van Allen Belts in the same way the Apollo missions sent men to the Moon, how are they going to do it, and survive?
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Re: Moon landings---a partial 'hoax'?

Postby BenDhyan » Mon Jan 19, 2026 7:26 pm

Harvey » Tue Jan 20, 2026 4:25 am wrote:Hey, BelSav, I take it you're saying the LROC site has already been discussed, my queries already posed, nothing addressed. Searching RI is almost as impossible as getting the page to load so...

In any case, BenDhyan, at this point I can only ask, are you now in, or have you ever been to Stepford?

If you ever find the old pages on Apollo, you will note that I worked in the space industry at that time of the Apollo, and played a humble part in the process of NASA Apollo program, relaying voice, video, and data to/fro Apollo astronauts on the moon. It was pretty exciting to work at the satellite coms station during the Apollo missions with the speakers relaying all voice communications between the astronauts and Goddard Space Center day and night 24/7.

To suggest that the 4 Nasa tracking stations in Australia, 2 satellite coms stations, and the Parkes Radio Telescope, plus all the staff, we are talking about 300 plus employees including many highly degreed scientists and engineers, and technicians were all deceived is beyond stupid.
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Re: Moon landings---a partial 'hoax'?

Postby Belligerent Savant » Mon Jan 19, 2026 8:15 pm

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It's actually quite simple in practice. Relaying voice, video and data can be made to appear as if it is coming from astronauts on the moon but there was no way for you -- and/or all those smart people physically located on earth -- to verify any of it (as far as actual location of the transmissions). Also: an unmanned probe can replicate coordinates while others can mimic the rest from anywhere. All it requires is a very small handful of individuals -- including the astronauts -- to be involved.
And in this current era of deepfakes and AI-generated content (along with NASA's prominent use of CGI, for years now), even if a moon landing -- or a traversing of the Van Allen Belts, etc -- actually does occur in the near or distant future, it will be scrutinized (astutely or not) by those that will claim fakery based on current and past manipulations of images, data, and presentations of reality, or otherwise, doubted simply because we now live in a timeframe when any moving or still image can appear almost as real as "reality" -- and such fakery is only getting better at fakery/mimicry.
(An ideal time to re-launch the Moon program, eh?)

(The mere fact that all original Apollo-era content -- telemetry data, original footage, etc. -- has all been "lost"/"erased" should be a red flag for anyone that values discernment. This topic has been raised numerous times already, and discussed, in prior threads here. No way to verify anything from the Apollo missions. Most unfortunate, eh? It's absurd to believe for an instant there wouldn't be multiple copies of this data saved/stored across multiple disparate locations. The most monumental human achievement -- reportedly -- and we are to believe all original Apollo data simply got "lost"/"erased" with no available backups stored anywhere. Even small-sized companies have data retention policies that require the retention/preservation of data offsite for business continuity/redundancy purposes. Yet NASA just "lost"/"inadvertently erased" the data. Laughable)

As it turns out, however, NASA doesn’t actually have all of that Moonwalking footage anymore. Truth be told, they don’t have any of it. According to the agency, all the tapes were lost back in the late 1970s. All 700 cartons of them. As Reuters reported on August 15, 2006, “The U.S. government has misplaced the original recording of the first moon landing, including astronaut Neil Armstrong’s famous ‘one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind’ … Armstrong’s famous moonwalk, seen by millions of viewers on July 20, 1969, is among transmissions that NASA has failed to turn up in a year of searching, spokesman Grey Hautaluoma said. ‘We haven’t seen them for quite a while. We’ve been looking for over a year, and they haven’t turned up,’ Hautaluoma said … In all, some 700 boxes of transmissions from the Apollo lunar missions are missing.”

Given that these tapes allegedly documented an unprecedented and unduplicated historical event, one that is said to be the greatest technological achievement of the twentieth century, how in the world would it be possible to, uhmm, ‘lose’ 700 cartons of them? Would not an irreplaceable national treasure such as that be very carefully inventoried and locked away in a secure film vault? And would not copies have been made, and would not those copies also be securely tucked away somewhere? Come to think of it, would not multiple copies have been made for study by the scientific and academic communities?

Had NASA claimed that a few tapes, or even a few cartons of tapes, had been misplaced, then maybe we could give them the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps some careless NASA employee, for example, absent-mindedly taped a Super Bowl game over one of them. Or maybe some home porn. But does it really seem at all credible to claim that the entire collection of tapes has gone missing – all 700 cartons of them, the entire film record of the alleged Moon landings? In what alternative reality would that happen ‘accidentally’?

Some of you are probably thinking that everyone has already seen the footage anyway, when it was allegedly broadcast live back in the late 1960s and early 1970s, or on NASA’s website, or on YouTube, or on numerous television documentaries. But you would be mistaken. The truth is that the original footage has never been aired, anytime or anywhere – and now, since the tapes seem to have conveniently gone missing, it quite obviously never will be.

The fact that the tapes are missing (and according to NASA, have been for over three decades), amazingly enough, was not even the most compelling information that the Reuters article had to offer. Also to be found was an explanation of how the alleged Moonwalk tapes that we all know and love were created: “Because NASA’s equipment was not compatible with TV technology of the day, the original transmissions had to be displayed on a monitor and re-shot by a TV camera for broadcast.”

So what we saw then, and what we have seen in all the footage ever released by NASA since then, were not in fact live transmissions. To the contrary, it was footage shot off a television monitor, and a tiny black-and-white monitor at that. That monitor may have been running live footage, I suppose, but it seems far more likely that it was running taped footage. NASA of course has never explained why, even if it were true that the original broadcasts had to be ‘re-shot,’ they never subsequently released any of the actual ‘live’ footage. But I guess that’s a moot point now, what with the tapes having gone missing.

https://centerforaninformedamerica.com/moondoggie-1/


For those that subscribe to whatever NASA reports, this update's for you:

July 16, 2009

An exhaustive, three-year search for some tapes that contained the original footage of the Apollo 11 moonwalk has concluded that they were probably destroyed during a period when NASA was erasing old magnetic tapes and reusing them to record satellite data.

"We're all saddened that they're not there. We all wish we had 20-20 hindsight," says Dick Nafzger, a TV specialist at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland, who helped lead the search team.

"I don't think anyone in the NASA organization did anything wrong," Nafzger says. "I think it slipped through the cracks, and nobody's happy about it."

NASA has, however, offered up a consolation prize for the 40th anniversary of the Apollo 11 mission — the agency has taken the best available broadcast television footage and contracted with a digital restoration firm to enhance it, so that the public can see the first moonwalk in more detail than ever before.

https://www.npr.org/2009/07/16/10663706 ... o-11-tapes
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Re: Moon landings---a partial 'hoax'?

Postby BenDhyan » Mon Jan 19, 2026 9:47 pm

Belligerent Savant » Tue Jan 20, 2026 10:15 am wrote:.
It's actually quite simple in practice. Relaying voice, video and data can be made to appear as if it is coming from astronauts on the moon but there was no way for you -- and/or all those smart people physically located on earth -- to verify any of it (as far as actual location of the transmissions). Also: an unmanned probe can replicate coordinates while others can mimic the rest from anywhere. All it requires is a very small handful of individuals -- including the astronauts -- to be involved.
And in this current era of deepfakes and AI-generated content (along with NASA's prominent use of CGI, for years now), even if a moon landing -- or a traversing of the Van Allen Belts, etc -- actually does occur in the near or distant future, it will be scrutinized (astutely or not) by those that will claim fakery based on current and past manipulations of images, data, and presentations of reality, or otherwise, doubted simply because we now live in a timeframe when any moving or still image can appear almost as real as "reality" -- and such fakery is only getting better at fakery/mimicry.
(An ideal time to re-launch the Moon program, eh?)

(The mere fact that all original Apollo-era content -- telemetry data, original footage, etc. -- has all been "lost"/"erased" should be a red flag for anyone that values discernment. This topic has been raised numerous times already, and discussed, in prior threads here. No way to verify anything from the Apollo missions. Most unfortunate, eh? It's absurd to believe for an instant there wouldn't be multiple copies of this data saved/stored across multiple disparate locations. The most monumental human achievement -- reportedly -- and we are to believe all original Apollo data simply got "lost"/"erased" with no available backups stored anywhere. Even small-sized companies have data retention policies that require the retention/preservation of data offsite for business continuity/redundancy purposes. Yet NASA just "lost"/"inadvertently erased" the data. Laughable)

As it turns out, however, NASA doesn’t actually have all of that Moonwalking footage anymore. Truth be told, they don’t have any of it. According to the agency, all the tapes were lost back in the late 1970s. All 700 cartons of them. As Reuters reported on August 15, 2006, “The U.S. government has misplaced the original recording of the first moon landing, including astronaut Neil Armstrong’s famous ‘one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind’ … Armstrong’s famous moonwalk, seen by millions of viewers on July 20, 1969, is among transmissions that NASA has failed to turn up in a year of searching, spokesman Grey Hautaluoma said. ‘We haven’t seen them for quite a while. We’ve been looking for over a year, and they haven’t turned up,’ Hautaluoma said … In all, some 700 boxes of transmissions from the Apollo lunar missions are missing.”

Given that these tapes allegedly documented an unprecedented and unduplicated historical event, one that is said to be the greatest technological achievement of the twentieth century, how in the world would it be possible to, uhmm, ‘lose’ 700 cartons of them? Would not an irreplaceable national treasure such as that be very carefully inventoried and locked away in a secure film vault? And would not copies have been made, and would not those copies also be securely tucked away somewhere? Come to think of it, would not multiple copies have been made for study by the scientific and academic communities?

Had NASA claimed that a few tapes, or even a few cartons of tapes, had been misplaced, then maybe we could give them the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps some careless NASA employee, for example, absent-mindedly taped a Super Bowl game over one of them. Or maybe some home porn. But does it really seem at all credible to claim that the entire collection of tapes has gone missing – all 700 cartons of them, the entire film record of the alleged Moon landings? In what alternative reality would that happen ‘accidentally’?

Some of you are probably thinking that everyone has already seen the footage anyway, when it was allegedly broadcast live back in the late 1960s and early 1970s, or on NASA’s website, or on YouTube, or on numerous television documentaries. But you would be mistaken. The truth is that the original footage has never been aired, anytime or anywhere – and now, since the tapes seem to have conveniently gone missing, it quite obviously never will be.

The fact that the tapes are missing (and according to NASA, have been for over three decades), amazingly enough, was not even the most compelling information that the Reuters article had to offer. Also to be found was an explanation of how the alleged Moonwalk tapes that we all know and love were created: “Because NASA’s equipment was not compatible with TV technology of the day, the original transmissions had to be displayed on a monitor and re-shot by a TV camera for broadcast.”

So what we saw then, and what we have seen in all the footage ever released by NASA since then, were not in fact live transmissions. To the contrary, it was footage shot off a television monitor, and a tiny black-and-white monitor at that. That monitor may have been running live footage, I suppose, but it seems far more likely that it was running taped footage. NASA of course has never explained why, even if it were true that the original broadcasts had to be ‘re-shot,’ they never subsequently released any of the actual ‘live’ footage. But I guess that’s a moot point now, what with the tapes having gone missing.

https://centerforaninformedamerica.com/moondoggie-1/


For those that subscribe to whatever NASA reports, this update's for you:

July 16, 2009

An exhaustive, three-year search for some tapes that contained the original footage of the Apollo 11 moonwalk has concluded that they were probably destroyed during a period when NASA was erasing old magnetic tapes and reusing them to record satellite data.

"We're all saddened that they're not there. We all wish we had 20-20 hindsight," says Dick Nafzger, a TV specialist at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland, who helped lead the search team.

"I don't think anyone in the NASA organization did anything wrong," Nafzger says. "I think it slipped through the cracks, and nobody's happy about it."

NASA has, however, offered up a consolation prize for the 40th anniversary of the Apollo 11 mission — the agency has taken the best available broadcast television footage and contracted with a digital restoration firm to enhance it, so that the public can see the first moonwalk in more detail than ever before.

https://www.npr.org/2009/07/16/10663706 ... o-11-tapes

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Re: Moon landings---a partial 'hoax'?

Postby Belligerent Savant » Mon Jan 19, 2026 10:29 pm

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So any scrutiny of moon landings/space-related narratives = flat earther by default?

I for one have my doubts about the narratives conveyed to us about what's really 'out there' (which in turn is related to inquiries Re: the nature of consciousness/our shared reality, etc.) in a number of respects, but "flat earth" theories are limited hangout/misdirection variants.
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Re: Moon landings---a partial 'hoax'?

Postby BenDhyan » Mon Jan 19, 2026 11:21 pm

Belligerent Savant » Tue Jan 20, 2026 12:29 pm wrote:.
So any scrutiny of moon landings/space-related narratives = flat earther by default?

I for one have my doubts about the narratives conveyed to us about what's really 'out there' (which in turn is related to inquiries Re: the nature of consciousness/our shared reality, etc.) in a number of respects, but "flat earth" theories are limited hangout/misdirection variants.

It is my understanding that conspiracies usually involve power plays by competing global entities, eg., intelligence agencies, financial entities, religious, etc. What was to gain by America to be first on the moon, just the technological progress development, to fake it would not even get that, it would achieve nothing for the huge cost of deceiving the world with a pretense space achievement.
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Re: Moon landings---a partial 'hoax'?

Postby BenDhyan » Wed Jan 21, 2026 7:50 am

Forget about NASA, what is a hoax imho, is the Big Bang theory of the beginning of the universe, yet there seems little push back.
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Re: Moon landings---a partial 'hoax'?

Postby DrEvil » Wed Jan 21, 2026 3:55 pm

And in this current era of deepfakes and AI-generated content (along with NASA's prominent use of CGI, for years now), even if a moon landing -- or a traversing of the Van Allen Belts, etc -- actually does occur in the near or distant future, it will be scrutinized (astutely or not) by those that will claim fakery based on current and past manipulations of images, data, and presentations of reality, or otherwise, doubted simply because we now live in a timeframe when any moving or still image can appear almost as real as "reality" -- and such fakery is only getting better at fakery/mimicry.


Just say it - you're talking about yourself. You've already decided if it happens it's fake.

What you failed to mention is that none of this tech was available during the first landings, yet they somehow managed to fake it with vfx decades ahead of what was possible at the time, and in a way that didn't set off the Soviets, who had every reason to want them to fail. There's hundreds of hours of flawless footage (not to mention a person right here in this very forum who was there and worked on it and is telling you you're wrong), but yeah, it's all fake.

Also - assuming it was all fake and they're hiding something - what are they hiding? Unless it's something like "Cthulhu is sleeping on the moon and we don't want to wake him", what secret is so terrible/important that they decided the best course of action was to fake it all (and then keep faking it over and over again), and then get the Soviet Union to go along with it at the height of the cold war?

Oh, another thing that just occurred to me: if they were faking it, and doing it so well that "no one" noticed, why did they stop for fifty years? Why isn't there a fake moon base with fake astronauts there right now? Shouldn't be a problem for this all-powerful cabal pulling the strings on every major event, right?
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Re: Moon landings---a partial 'hoax'?

Postby BenDhyan » Wed Jan 21, 2026 7:28 pm

DrEvil » Thu Jan 22, 2026 5:55 am wrote:
And in this current era of deepfakes and AI-generated content (along with NASA's prominent use of CGI, for years now), even if a moon landing -- or a traversing of the Van Allen Belts, etc -- actually does occur in the near or distant future, it will be scrutinized (astutely or not) by those that will claim fakery based on current and past manipulations of images, data, and presentations of reality, or otherwise, doubted simply because we now live in a timeframe when any moving or still image can appear almost as real as "reality" -- and such fakery is only getting better at fakery/mimicry.


Just say it - you're talking about yourself. You've already decided if it happens it's fake.

What you failed to mention is that none of this tech was available during the first landings, yet they somehow managed to fake it with vfx decades ahead of what was possible at the time, and in a way that didn't set off the Soviets, who had every reason to want them to fail. There's hundreds of hours of flawless footage (not to mention a person right here in this very forum who was there and worked on it and is telling you you're wrong), but yeah, it's all fake.

Also - assuming it was all fake and they're hiding something - what are they hiding? Unless it's something like "Cthulhu is sleeping on the moon and we don't want to wake him", what secret is so terrible/important that they decided the best course of action was to fake it all (and then keep faking it over and over again), and then get the Soviet Union to go along with it at the height of the cold war?

Oh, another thing that just occurred to me: if they were faking it, and doing it so well that "no one" noticed, why did they stop for fifty years? Why isn't there a fake moon base with fake astronauts there right now? Shouldn't be a problem for this all-powerful cabal pulling the strings on every major event, right?
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Re: Moon landings---a partial 'hoax'?

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sat Jan 31, 2026 8:02 pm

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All these years, you two -- never wavering, dutifully in alignment with the establishment narratives on this (and a couple other long-running topics), despite the fact that -- particularly since the onset of the 21st century and particularly the last ~7 yrs -- almost all establishment narratives have been exposed as either partially misleading if not outright fraudulent. No matter: you remain loyal to the (faulty, at best) narratives.

And always relatively responsive here -- an achronistic, now largely vacant message board. Quite a feat. Almost like a job, eh?

Well done.
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Re: Moon landings---a partial 'hoax'?

Postby Belligerent Savant » Mon Feb 02, 2026 10:07 am

*anachronistic* (typo correction)
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Re: Moon landings---a partial 'hoax'?

Postby Elihu » Tue Feb 03, 2026 1:30 pm

Belligerent Savant wrote:.
All these years, you two -- never wavering, dutifully in alignment with the establishment narratives on this (and a couple other long-running topics), despite the fact that -- particularly since the onset of the 21st century and particularly the last ~7 yrs -- almost all establishment narratives have been exposed as either partially misleading if not outright fraudulent. No matter: you remain loyal to the (faulty, at best) narratives.

And always relatively responsive here -- an anachronistic, now largely vacant message board. Quite a feat. Almost like a job, eh?

Well done.


this is correct. the question should be "which came first: your opinion?, or a government opinion?" it should be "are you a ball earther"? it should never be are you a flat earther? the former is a question with a staked out answer. there must be something anti-social about skeptics.

as on the climate thread, after years of round n round, dr e throws out some statement like "such n such having been proven beyond a doubt" (when it hasn't). that's fine as long as you don't have the government backing you up, which they do.

which should illuminate the most important part of any controversy : does the state have skin in the game? all they do is collect taxes and bring arbitrary force. that's not a solution to any problem no matter what it is.

which speaks to the issue of relentless lowest-common-denominator character assassination in "arguments". if they are not outright employees then they are not nature lovers or ball earthers. they are statists first and last. oh the sanctimony they have thrown out regarding saving the world and guarding right thinking and yet where is the tenderness in their solutions? in the end "you %!%@#*$ are going to pay up and do what we say and oh by the way you can thank us for saving you" a state must grow to survive since all their attempts at fixing anything always fail: war on drugs, poverty, illiteracy, bad health, bad weather, racism, and on an on and on. does a fool really believe another government tax and crime program is going to save the human species from climate change? what joke. they can choke humanity out with more and more misery. now that i do believe.

that's what they really want: power. the sanctimony or patriotism or paid for science is their cognitive justification (or not, we can't judge other peoples hearts). but if they get their way we can predict with 100% certainty what will happen and i don't want any part of that.
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