American Arrested in Bolivian Bombings

by **Nemysyssss** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 9:53 pm

Before I waste any more of my time trying to give you “my side of the story” to try and keep this discussion “fair and balanced”, and not a soap box for you to try and advocate your agenda, answer just these simple questions for me. 1. What actual personal experience have you had inside of the Youth Authority (Preston) which gave you this authority to speak out against the Youth Authority Personnel such as you do? It is one thing to attack the System which is responsible for the lack of positive results in a program, but to viciously and without merit attack individuals, whom you have never met or observed in this working environment, is very troubling to me. <blockquote>Quote:<hr> “Sorry. I don't trust nemysysss too much. CYA facilities are not good places. Abuse is common. They create as many "lestats" as they cure, I'm sure. In fact, they provide no decent mental health care to speak of. Be curious about Vacaville type programs in there.”<hr></blockquote> 2. Have you personally seen with your very own eyes, in real time, (not an edited video) a widespread prevalent abuse of wards (physical, sexual, etc…) within Preston by the Staff who have been placed in charge of them? <blockquote>Quote:<hr>“Wards have had their heads slammed against walls and rails and have been beaten and burned by tear gas canisters and Maced for no reason. ... Staff often use chemical agents on wards who either do not require restraining or who are already restrained. ... Wards are simply locked in their rooms for weeks or months with no programming and no constructive release for their frustration, tension and fear. ... In addition to their failure to prevent ward-on-ward violence, CYA staff have actually encouraged, permitted and/or provided wards with the opportunity to fight each other,” says the suit. Clearly, the allegations showed inhumane treatment for California teenagers.”<hr></blockquote> “You will never discover the truth and the solutions to your problems if only faults are what you seek” 3. Have you ever seen or read about a Staff member (in video, photo, or any other way) after they had been brutally attacked by one or more of your precious, innocent, disenfranchised, and victimized young children? 4. For that matter, have you ever seen, personally, a victim of your precious charges which you so valiantly advocate for? 5. Do you feel that it was the fault of the “victims” of your charges attacks against them, for not understanding or caring about their situation or their abusive upbringing? 6. Are the criminal actions of your charges justified because of their unfortunate upbringing and or abusive treatments? 7. Do you feel that the faults of your charges lie directly on the State of California who houses them after they have committed their crimes? 8. Do you place any responsibility on the “family unit” which brought and raised, in one way or another, these disadvantaged individuals into the world? 9. Do you feel that it is, wholly, the responsibility of the State of California to provide for support and opportunity for parolees? 10. Have you ever volunteered in any California Youth Authority facility, so as to, offer help and guidance to these troubled Youth, to make a difference where others couldn’t? 11. Have you ever participated in any of the Church volunteer programs which minister to these Youth within the confines of the Institutions of the Youth Authority, looking for an answer? 12. Are you in any way, concerned for the health and safety of the Line Staff within the California Youth Authority, who are actively trying to make positive changes in these lives that have been dealt a “bad” card from the deck of life? 13. Do you feel that convicted criminals or youthful offenders should take responsibility for their actions, or should they continue to act out negatively and blame the State and their alleged CYA abusers for their criminal behaviors? 14. Do you have any proven or tested methods with which to implement into the dysfunctional CYA rehabilitation system which will help all of these troubled youth searching for answers to their antisocial and predatory behaviors? 15. Can you guarantee with no uncertainties that your proposed programs of change can and will affect all of the youthful offenders within the CYA in a more successful and measurable result without placing Staff or wards in dangerous situations? 16. What is your definition of the word nemysyssss? In closing, I would like to add, that the State of California is ultimately responsible for the housing, rehabilitation, and re-integration of these Youthful Offenders. I, like you, also feel that those responsible for administering these directives have done a very poor job giving the Line Staff working within these facilities the proper tools, support, and environment, with which to work. To attack individual Staff whose only wrong is in trying to help these Youthful offenders in a failing system is inexcusable and irresponsible. The Politicians also must not be removed from this responsibility, for it is ultimately their support, legislation and financial backing which make possible all that is, or is not, available to these Institutions, to implement a successful program which can be measured in terms of a productive citizen being released back into society vs. a recidivism rate which is inherently high. As I stated previously: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>“I am not absolving the State of California, nor the Directors office of the Youth Authority of any wrong doing. In fact, I blame them for much of the problems the CYA faced over the last 10 years. So much has been taken from the CYA in terms of funding and program cuts that the rehabilitation system with which the CYA staff could utilize left a lot to be desired. It was minimal at best. At Preston, all of the shop classes such as Refrigeration air, Masonry, Landscape gardening ect.. were cut as a result of budget cuts and restraints. This left nothing but academic classes for the wards. Unfortunately for a large majority of wards a simple GED would not afford them a good paying job or any real hopes of getting a job which would help them cope with all of the temptations that crime and the allure that quick money through crime presented to them.”<hr></blockquote> That said, I would also like to add that it was not the State which raised these Youthful Offenders from birth to incarceration. It was the “family unit”; whatever socio/economic condition it happened to be subjected to. For the most part, in my experiences with these troubled youth, the “family unit” was not in existence or was severely disabled due to a lack of a positive Father figure or both parents missing and the responsibility fell into the lap of the Grandparent(s) or foster care (which is a whole different story). In many cases criminal activities were in so many words “a family affair”. It was a business or occupation of several generations within this unit, and this lifestyle of victimizing the weak and innocent was the only learned behavior this child knew. To state one of the most obvious faults of this defunct system which is failing miserably (also in my opinion) is the fact that these youth were active or inherently aware of this criminal or disadvantaged lifestyle from the ages of, let’s say, 6 up to adulthood or the time of their incarceration. Given the incarceration (counseling and rehabilitation) time within the States system (CYA) of approximately 2 years, it is easy to see that the actual “hands on” rehabilitation efforts are greatly disproportional to the amount of time these Youth had to learn their negative behaviors. Then to parole them back into the same conditions and environments, which had a definite negative impact on their lives in the first place, seems utterly counterproductive and self defeating.

by **Dreams End** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:44 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> Nemesis (from dictionary.com) 1. A source of harm or ruin: Uncritical trust is my nemesis. 2. Retributive justice in its execution or outcome: To follow the proposed course of action is to invite nemesis. 3. An opponent that cannot be beaten or overcome. 4. One that inflicts retribution or vengeance. 5. Nemesis Greek Mythology. The goddess of retributive justice or vengeance. (How does that help your point?) <hr></blockquote> If you really want answers to your other questions, repost them on another thread (just copy and paste) as I think I got this one off track. I probably won't get to it tonight but don't consider that lack of interest...just lack of time. I think the conversation is worth having, so if you haven't reposted in a day or two, when I get some time, I'll grab all the comments off of here about CYA and repost them and we can continue from there. For now, I'd like to bow out of this thread so the original discussion can get back on track. And in that spirit, I will suggest that anyone interested in this line of thought as perhaps relevant to Lestat might look up Vacaville and the whole Patty Hearst connection. Courtesy of another fine Stanford institution.

by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 11:23 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> Before I waste any more of my time trying to give you “my side of the story”<hr></blockquote> Nemysyss, I think we would all admit that there are good people in bad institutions even as I share Dreams End's outrage at the CYA. I'm also horrified by what passes for public schooling but realize that most teachers are better than the institution they work in. In fact, if it weren't for their (mostly) benevalent attitudes, it would be even worse. And many of them don't realize that public schools weren't designed to make students succeed at anything beyond being drones and fodder. In fact, schools and spook-controlled media are designed to produce a baseline of tension, chaos, and violence as predictable social controls. And prisons even more so with heaps of salt for the psychically wounded. And that seems to be the soil which 'Amero/Lestat' grew in. Thanks for confirming this.

by **Dreams End** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 2:51 am

Okay, hmmm.... To honor your great research and to apologize for getting this thread off track (sort of) I reposted the dialogue between me and nemysysss <a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showMessage?topicID=3922.topic">here.</a> I couldn't sleep so decided to go ahead and do it. Folks can check there if you want to participate, though with his sixteen questions it gets a bit tedious.

by **Nemysyssss** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 4:03 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Nemesis (from dictionary.com) 1. A source of harm or ruin: Uncritical trust is my nemesis. 2. Retributive justice in its execution or outcome: To follow the proposed course of action is to invite nemesis. 3. An opponent that cannot be beaten or overcome. 4. One that inflicts retribution or vengeance. 5. Nemesis Greek Mythology. The goddess of retributive justice or vengeance. (How does that help your point?)<hr></blockquote> Opponent... as in an opponent in a debate or discussion, such as this one. How can that be contrived as something so terrible as you previously alluded too. Could you not have asked me what I meant to portray myself as with this screen name before coming to a negative conclusion or assuming the worst? <blockquote>Quote:<hr>You are aware, Nemysysss, (and I feel real good about someone in charge of our youth who goes by THAT screen name)<hr></blockquote> Just as in all of your previous articles which you so often refer too, there are many definitions or "explanations" or "points of view" which could be used to define the situations within Preston or any CYA facility. There may or may not be truth to them, but would it not be wise and prudent to look at all sides of the story and study them diligently before coming to a foregone conclusion which may or may not be the facts? Unfortunately, there are those who would "pick" only one of those "explanations" which would best suit their needs to establish a message which they want to portray. Then make accusations and allegations against those whom they want to attack or weaken, as if the allegations were already true, without any desire to know what the real truth is. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>You will never discover the truth and the solutions to your problems if only faults are what you seek<hr></blockquote> Dreams End..... it is very fitting that you choose to only answer on this discussion board the one question which you thought would make me look bad or discredit my input, as well as my integrity, as I now believe that this was your intention all along. To all of you who have been unnecessarily subjected to this chain of discussions which are most definitely "off topic" I apoligize, but I will not allow (without rebuttal) my integrity to be attacked or allow anyone to say that I am a part of the problem rather than the solution to the problem, especially if they have NO actual facts to back up their ACCUSATIONS. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>I can go on and on...this is well documented and agreed on by just about everyone except, evidently, you and your "colleagues". It's time to stop being part of the problem.<hr></blockquote> For over 20 years I have tried to help those who wanted the help to rehabilitate. I have given up much to try and help those youthful offenders, including my physical health, which many of those youthful offenders, which you are trying to portray as poor innocent victims, inflicted upon me. I am playing the game and not just watching from the sidelines yelling "foul" as many people are doing today. Hence the questions! Before I make my judgements about your character Dreams End. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Finally, people were accepting nemysysss'ssss word about the guy and I think this is unwise, as he did not acknowledge the abuse at the prison in which he works.<hr></blockquote> EXCUSE ME..........? <blockquote>Quote:<hr>I will not say that there were not situations which justified scrutiny and review, but the general mentality of all the CYA bashers, seems to be that anyone who worked in CYA is a brute and or predatory animal who seeks out the "poor and helpless youth" caught up in this violent system called the CYA. A very large majority of CYA staff wanted to help these youthful offenders, but could only do as much as the system allowed them to do. Those staff who did violate the rules were investigated and dealt with accordingly. Sometimes I questioned the decisions and actions taken against some individuals, but for the most part we were kept in the dark about any investigation unless we were a part of it.<hr></blockquote> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>2 The treatment they were given by Staff that I saw was fair and just. If Staff was alleged to have done anything outside of the guidelines established by the Laws of California and the CYA, they were dealt with if found guilty and if found not guilty were absolved. Staff did the best that they could given the time, funding by State officials, and programs available.<hr></blockquote> What more must I say??? I will not make up stories to make you happy. As far as carrying on this conversation with you is concerned, I have no interests in having it with anyone who does not wish to look at all aspects and all sides or perspectives of it. It is a waste of my time, just as this discussion seems to have been. Again I apoligize to all, but hope that some may understand my concerns. Not everyone is "evil" in the CYA. Some actually want to help, as hard as that may seem to some individuals.

by **Dreams End** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 3:26 am

nemysysss, I started a whole other thread on this and even reprinted everything that was written here. And I posted the link above, but since you obviously didn't see it, I'll post it again. <a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showMessage?topicID=3922.topic">LINK</a>

by **Gouda** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 2:24 pm

Well, there certainly is an overwhelming amount of available documentation, reporting and testimony regarding the problems (at best) and the horrid systemic abuses (at worst) within the CYA system, at Preston particularly. I happen to agree with DE that the criminal detention and rehabilitation system is part of a greater societal problem - and within this context, it looks increasingly bad for the role Preston may have played in our man Lestat's juvenile development and present career as a world citizen bomber. Apart from the google indictment of Preston, Nemysysss' contribution suggests to me that a very dangerous adversarial dynamic existed between wards and staff, whether intentionally malicious, or one of mutual self-defense in good faith. It is understandable that staff inevitably take one side and the Ameros take the other - but it could be argued that in this environment, staff are also wards, or become wards in a system which abuses humanity in general by pitting them as adversaries in a cage. I am not sure if Nemysysss is still working within this system, but I know it takes time on the outside to step back and gain new perspective on the dynamic and the larger societal forces. Past events take on new light. Anyway, with regard to Amero, to me it is clear that he was most likely abused even before he attended Preston academy (in lieu of primary, middle or high school). To know that he was suicidal at the age of seven and was looking for books on childhood sexual abuse ought to cast a new light on his "attitude" at Preston, perhaps, and for me, would warrant a more compassionate and careful approach to this kid. Nemysysss has stated that he was not aware of Amero's pre-Preston past or his psychological diagnosis; that he was not directly working with Amero; but he was threatened directly by Amero - thus Nemysysss provides us with his own diagnosis based on that limited, dangerous context. Fine, but this is biased in its own way (and made more evident in the above discussion) - and so I think that this board and this discussion can help round out our perspective on the case. Close observers and researchers of deeply organized childhood abuse, mind control, and mil-gov involvement in altering vulnerable psychologies for their own purposes have no reason to give the benefit of the doubt to the "government" or to the "authorities" when cases like this erupt explosively onto the parapolitical world stage. Amero may have been a 'lone wolf' in his own mind, but I am afraid his mind was not his own - that he was at the mercy of greater forces whether he knew it or not.

by **Dreams End** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 2:34 pm

Thanks, Gouda. Well put.

by **wsduncanbinns** » Wed Apr 26, 2006 6:10 pm

Yaaawn! Okay, okay. If given this zip code 79922, you must ask, "What comes between The SEVEN and NINE?" Yeeeooow! Comrades, Filter this through your Sinister imagination-ings: The bullet was SILVER. The filter dirty, n-yet...

by **hmm** » Wed Apr 26, 2006 7:08 pm

Hi, as i bear some responsibility for bringing up your contact with triston jay amero, i hope it wasn't to disturbing to find yourself being discussed. That said, i am curious as to your thoughts on this whole matter, concerning this young man, as you seem to have known him in a way i doubt many other "outsiders" have.

by **anotherdrew** » Wed Apr 26, 2006 9:39 pm

but what is the question?

by **abraxas** » Mon May 08, 2006 3:35 pm

If you still care, I modified the initial Wiki articles on Dr. Roslik and San Javier. I did it because the initial ones were just a Russophobic bullshit. I know nothing about Amero and other stuff, but I guess I know enough about Roslik and his hometown to contribute a few phrases to the Wiki. I may add some more info soon.

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