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by **thoughtographer** » Fri May 19, 2006 6:37 pm

DSP can be in hardware, software, firmware -- you name it. It's a pretty generic term. Do you want to start talking about specific hardware devices that are employed by the various providers of this "eFax" service? I don't. Have at it if you want, but you've been arguing against points that I never made this whole time, and I'm just getting bored now. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>I'm treating you like sh*t, because you treat others like sh*t. It's an eye for an eye, loser.<hr></blockquote> Thanks, Hammurabi -- you "rule". Are you too pious, too young or too immature to just type "shit"? Sticking in a wildcard for one letter doesn't change the meaning, or the sentiment. "A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=thoughtographer>thoughtographer</A> at: 5/19/06 4:38 pm

by **havanagilla** » Fri May 19, 2006 6:49 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>I'm wondering if I'm actually the victim of an inside joke here<hr></blockquote><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"> Fax disinfo, could stlil remain as the "term of the year". I love it. OK, DE, just to calm you suspicions..this is how it went here- 1. i have all my connections at home on Cable technology. 2. hooked to my cable landphone is a regular (very old partly functioning fax machine). 3. I want to fax directly from my PC to the "world". 4. when I had a regular landphone (not cable) I was able to to dial-up faxing. However, when I hooked my internet to Cable broadband, I was told by EVERYONE that my dialup modem is USELESS. So I uninstalled the fax software. 5. a few days ago, my cable phone line was inoperative for a while, so having an alternative fax became more pressing. 6. by then it turnes out that i cannot fax from PC cause I have broadband Cable and NO regular phone where the old faxmodem would normally go. I was not sure whether the regular fax/modem hooks to a CABLE PHONE line. 7. TOday, I found out it should work with the CABLE PHONE LINE, provided my equipment is suitable, and I will have to check it out tomorrow. No CONSPIRACY. Not many people have both cable broadband AND cable landline. in facts its highly unusual, and so not enough info about it. Perhaps I shouldn't have placed the question here. But it is a good illustration of something, for sure. (the dumb woman asking for help with "how to replace a light bulb", and the savvy gentlemen are nearly killing each other on the way...). Meanwhile, I learnt there is something called the Church of SubGenius and the Discordian religion. Fascinating, and otherwise I would never know it exists. Rick Ross has nothing on SubGenius, but there is an "ex cult survivors website". This led me to read some more in Rick Ross, about Madona, Cruise, and Satchivananda (whom I visited for a week). Interesting stuff.

by **thoughtographer** » Fri May 19, 2006 6:56 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>However, when I hooked my internet to Cable broadband, I was told by EVERYONE that my dialup modem is USELESS. So I uninstalled the fax software.<hr></blockquote> It seems you have a history of listening to incorrect advice at your own expense. Had you not listened to "EVERYONE" about what is or isn't "USELESS", then you would have been able to just plug your modem into the POTS jack on your cable equipment and stuck the busted old fax machine in the closet. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Meanwhile, I learnt there is something called the Church of SubGenius and the Discordian religion. Fascinating, and otherwise I would never know it exists.<hr></blockquote> Well, that's somewhat encouraging. "A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=thoughtographer>thoughtographer</A> at: 5/19/06 5:01 pm

by **havanagilla** » Fri May 19, 2006 7:00 pm

thought. the official websites of the cable internet corp specifically state that the fax will not work.

by **thoughtographer** » Fri May 19, 2006 7:04 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>thought. the official websites of the cable internet corp specifically state that the fax will not work.<hr></blockquote> Oh -- okay. I suspect that I know why, but I'm even less interested than everyone in seeing further arguing about the subject. <a href="http://www.voxgratia.net/blog/archives/2005/08/fax_facts.html">www.voxgratia.net/blog/archives/2005/08/fax_facts.html</a> "A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."

by **johnny nemo** » Fri May 19, 2006 7:11 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>DSP can be in hardware, software, firmware -- you name it. It's a pretty generic term.<hr></blockquote> Ummm....no it isn't. You just have no FUCKING clue what you're talking about, again. Digital Signal Processors are microprocessors. They are physical chips on a circuit board, whether they be from a PC 's sound card, on a modem, on a router, or on a Speak and Spell, it's not a "generic term", it's hardware. How the hell could you have a digital signal, without something electronic physically creating it? <blockquote>Quote:<hr>This isn't a pissing contest. It's about giving the correct information, which you aren't.<hr></blockquote> Everything that you've written so far has been wrong ! You are the Lord of Disinfo ! Your ego just won't let you admit that you have no clue. It's highly amusing, but kinda sad.

by **thoughtographer** » Fri May 19, 2006 7:21 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Digital Signal Processors are microprocessors. They are physical chips on a circuit board, whether they be from a PC 's sound card, on a modem, on a router, or on a Speak and Spell, it's not a "generic term", it's hardware.<hr></blockquote> Yes, you're right -- it is hardware. However Digital Signal Processing is often implemented in software or firmware, or offloaded to a more powerful processor on the host. I tend to confuse initialisms, and in this case I was conflating "HSP" with "DSP". Sorry. Anyway, my point was that a Digital Signal Processor still needs an ADC on one end, and a DAC on the other, which makes it analogous to a modem by performing the same task. See: this stuff can be abstracted until the cows come home, or they're mutilated by reptilian aliens working for the "PTB" on their way there. P.S. - I'm proud of you for uncensoring yourself for my sake. Doesn't it feel good? <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Everything that you've written so far has been wrong ! You are the Lord of Disinfo ! Your ego just won't let you admit that you have no clue. It's highly amusing, but kinda sad.<hr></blockquote> Now, even someone like you must admit that we're both variously "right" and "wrong" on this thread at any given point. To say that I have "no clue" and that "everything" I've written so far is "wrong" is a sinister exaggeration resulting from that large axe you're grinding. "A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=thoughtographer>thoughtographer</A> at: 5/19/06 5:30 pm

by **Dreams End** » Fri May 19, 2006 7:38 pm

hava, I don't mean that you shouldn't solicit tech help on this site under USUAL circumstances....these are just unusual circumstances, weird acrimony about digital signal processing vs digital signal processors. Somehow, in various ways, your document will be transformed into something that a fax, hooked to a phone line, will be able to understand. Somehow, the online folks have a way to hook send signals over phone lines. Evidently, the fate of the world depends on whether you call any device or process that allows this "a modem" or only a subset of such devices. Meanwhile, for the edification of all, a list of things DSP can stand for: <blockquote>Quote:<hr> * The sterilisation process Dry Sterilisation Process for the cold and fast sterilisation of surfaces. * The science and engineering discipline of digital signal processing. * The microprocessor class of digital signal processors. * Dylan Server Pages is a template engine for providing dynamic web site content using the Dylan language. * The U.S. Air Force Defense Support Program early-warning satellites. * The Democratic Left Party (Turkey) (Demokratik Sol Parti) * The German State Party (Deutsche Staatspartei), a minor political party of the Weimar Republic period. * One of several (unrelated) political parties called the Democratic Socialist Party: o Democratic Socialist Party (Australia), now the Democratic Socialist Perspective o Democratic Socialist Party (Japan) o Democratic Socialist Party (Prabodh Chandra) (India) * Deputy Superintendent in the Singapore Police Force * The Deutscher Spiele Preis, a board games award <hr></blockquote> I think the implications are clear. The wrong choice could imperil our very souls. You have been warned.

by **thoughtographer** » Fri May 19, 2006 7:50 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Somehow, in various ways, your document will be transformed into something that a fax, hooked to a phone line, will be able to understand.<hr></blockquote> That's pretty much the only real point that I've been trying to make here, and since this hypothetical fax machine contains a modem as one of its critical components which are often replaced by their computer peripheral counterparts (modem and scanner), the two things can be considered interchangeable in this context. People still use fax machines and fax modems, so while they may be "obsolete" in the sense that they're growing less and less fashionable -- they are still in use. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Obsolescence is when a person or object is no longer wanted even though it is still in good working order.<hr></blockquote> From Wikipedia, for whatever that's worth -- but it seems to be the motivation behind johnny nemo's reasoning, and THAT is what I take issue with. "A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=thoughtographer>thoughtographer</A> at: 5/19/06 5:51 pm

by **Sepka** » Fri May 19, 2006 7:50 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>However, when I hooked my internet to Cable broadband, I was told by EVERYONE that my dialup modem is USELESS. <hr></blockquote> That's because you're not a techie. Every one that I know of has, within minutes of getting a VoIP connection, said to himself how incredibly cool it would be to make a 56k connection run encapsulated inside a 1.5M connection. It's cool to do because it's stupid <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> -Sepka the Space Weasel

by **thoughtographer** » Fri May 19, 2006 7:53 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Every one that I know of has, within minutes of getting a VoIP connection, said to himself how incredibly cool it would be to make a 56k connection run encapsulated inside a 1.5M connection.<hr></blockquote> That is pretty stupid (and funny), but I was talking about using the modem to send faxes through the POTS adapter -- just to be clear. "A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."

by **Mentalgongfu** » Fri May 19, 2006 8:37 pm

IMHO, DSP can also mean Diabolic Satanic Practices Demonic School Plays Dead Sexy Prostitutes FWIW, it could be interpreted as Djibouti Sounds Perfect Dark Skinned People Dormitory Shower Problem AAMOF, I can even imagine Despotic Social Policies Depraved Scary Politicians Darwinian Swimming Pools BTW, Dreams End, thanks for making me chuckle.

by **Dreams End** » Fri May 19, 2006 8:39 pm

Metalgongfu... Don't Stop Posting.

by **thoughtographer** » Fri May 19, 2006 10:15 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Metalgongfu... Don't Stop Posting.<hr></blockquote> For real. "A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."

by **anotherdrew** » Sun May 21, 2006 3:09 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Everything that you've written so far has been wrong ! You are the Lord of Disinfo !<hr></blockquote> and we have a line crossed and that's not the only one. Johnny you've earned a banning such a sad little man you must be to use such outragous language on someone else trying to help. If anyone's never seen cult like actions in practice Nemo has just provided a great demonstration. your pathetic name calling really is beyond belief. I've not seen the like here, maybe I missed it, but wow- what a dick. ps - you get what you give as far as I'm concerned so I see no problem with calling you the ass you are. wanna-be alpha freak. btw I don't think one thing you said actually helped. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/ohwell.gif ALT=":\"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/tired.gif ALT="|I"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"> Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=anotherdrew>anotherdrew</A> at: 5/21/06 1:10 pm

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