Whatreallyhappened at Columbine?

by **starviego** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 12:35 am

On April 20, 1999 the media and police told us that two students Eric Harris, 18, and Dylan Klebold, 17, went on a shooting rampage in which 15 people died. But they didn't mention that many were involved. The following are references are from the released evidence. ---------------------------- How many shooters were there? Acronyms TCM: trenchcoat mafia H&K: Harris & Klebold CHS: Columbine HS IO: Investigating Officers -------------- Channel 7 News at 12pm(noon) on 4-20, EP 21-244 "Reporter said that numerous witnesses he spoke to who were not named said they saw 3 gunmen." Joe Marshall(5735) Ramona Lee Madden says he observed 3 kids with guns. ACSO Nelson(8810) "... a list of 3 names that the 12 witnesses ID'd from a yearbook were turned over to ACSO investigators to foreward." Jon Curtis, janitor(2286) Saw 2 to 4 attackers, describes 3 of them. Eric Campbell(732) Walked out of school at 11:20am on 4-20 and saw Harris in the parking lot with 2 or 3 other guys, wearing a white T-shirt and a backward baseball cap. Matt Katzenmeier(5745) Saw 4 subjects carrying bags in, according to Darlene Mesch. Alicia Maes(22755) Saw 4 people with trenchcoats and guns, according to Rachel Nelson. Not mentioned in Maes' 11k interview. Trista Fogerty(23144) "Trista said she believes, as do most other students, that there were more than 4 people involved in shooting." Natalie Baker(2583) Told her mother there were 2 other shooters besides H&K. (2+2=4) Jennifer Tyndall(1226) Sees 2 suspects, neither of which is H&K. (2+2=4) Ryan Ezzie(2967) Saw 4 people outside with hats on backwards. On 20612, he says he "...saw at least 4 parties dressed in black standing calmly when others were running."(by the school library) Jordan Grimm(22432) According to Jordan's aunt, he saw H&K and 2 others together ouside school just before the incident began. Not mentioned in Grimm's own 11k interview(5760). DPD dispatch log(9219) "Male called from Canada and was talking with female student at Columbine and she told him there are 4 suspects not 2 but no further information." John Spahlinger(1176) Clement Park maintenance worker, "a majority of the students Spahlinger helped informed him there had been a trench coat mafia gang shooting over at the high school and that there were 4 shooters involved." Follow-up interview says "Spahlinger stated he had no further info to report and that he did not know where someone got that he had(sic) witnessed 5 individuals exit a black vehicle while working in the park." Camille Campbell(7446) Denies having CHS friends who told her about 4 shooters, 2 of whom discarded their trenchcoats and fled into the crowd. Thornton/NorthglennPD SWAT Team, EP 9-34 At 11:35pm on 4-20 the team enters CHS for another search. "We were advised that 2 suspects(shooters) might still be in the school." (2+2=4) Littleton PO Mike Eyman(8670) Advised that "there were possibly 4 suspects in the school." Dustin Gorton(10743) "He named 2 other individuals he believed to be involved as Nathan Dykeman, Chris Morris." (2+2=4) (8894) "Daphne Baca had listed 4 names of possible suspects. Those names included Eric Harris, Dylan Klebold, Chris Morris, and Robert Perry." Kristen Schoenhoff(4321) While being driven out of the senior lot, she hears fireworks outside. She turns around and sees 3 males at the top of the stairs. None of them are H&K. (3+2=5) J. Adams(7422) Construction worker near CHS; he refers to a black BMW and a small tan car drive down his cul-de-sac, followed five minutes later by the sound of bombs. A co-worker says the BMW was filled with 4 teenagers, the tan car which followed it had 2 people in it(7430). Mr. Talocco(8876) He says that the school roof repairman saw 3 people exit vehicle with H&K. Tan vehicle followed them into the lot. The repaiman(Clarke) denies it. Dick Strange(1194) "It was at approximately 11:45am(??) that Strange first observed 4 to 5 individuals, all dressed in black trench coats, standing alongside CHS in the vicinity of the gymnasium." (UFN) Vassar(4691) Sees 4-5 individuals at 11:15am dressed in black walk away from the school, all wearing trench coats, except one, who was wearing cami pants. Seth Biggi(2475) Was told by Courtney Shakowski she saw 4 to 5 TCMers enter cafeteria with a big, black duffel bag. Shakowski's interview itself(1157) only refers to 5 possible suspects in the parking lot. Devon Adams(10614) Names 3 (Redacted) names as being directly involved in the Columbine shooting--they are not H&K. (3+2=5) Boulder PD SWAT Timeline(8245) 2130 hours: "2 suspects believed dead inside, 1 arrest, 1-2 other supects/associates." Pat McDuffy(10786) A member of the TCM names 5 people in the attack group. Says another 5 helped plan the attack and helped provide guns and bombs. Barbara Karnkusis(7523) At about 7:30am on 4-20 she saw a group of 5 to 6 people, dressed in black, standing at the corner of Pierce and the first street south of the school. One of them looked older, in his mid 20s with short blond hair. Two of them sitting on a large black backpack. Nick Buhrer(2583) Was told by Sean Graves in a hospital visit that he saw 5 or 6 people throwing 'devices' in the cafeteria. Melissa Chavez(9023) Met H&K and 4 other boys at the mall. They showed her a map of where they would bomb the school. (2+4=6) Tim Kastle(3416) Tells IOs of 5 suspects. Rusty Schyler(4463) According to Lacey Smith, he told her that he had seen 6 shooters. Pam Wood(8902) Got call at work in Pennys at South West Plaza from students trapped in school. One saw 6 trenchcoats and that all were shooting handguns. Amy Terry(2207) Was told by friend Elisha Encinias that she was in the commons when trench coaters(2 or more presumably) with masks on came in shooting. Running upstairs, she sees 4 people in trenchcoats coming in through the glass doors at the west end of the main hallway.(2+4=6) Bryan Frye(806) Told the IOs that while crawling past the admin office(where he had just heard gunshots), he saw 5 or 6 persons all dressed in black. LFD Capt. Mike Gorman,. EP 1-335 "Capt. Gorman told me the only information was that there were 5 to 6 shooters from the Trench Coat Mafia." JCSO Kevin Walker, EP 1-223 "Dep. Walker related the communications center advised there were approximately 6 gunmen, dressed in black." JCSO Vincent DiManna, EP 1-363 At 11:35, JeffCo. Lt. Manwaring "advised him there were as many as 7 gunmen inside the cafeteria and commons area." CBSNews.com, 4-19-2001 "They(the cops) believed that they really had 6 to 8 armed individuals inside there." Joe Schallmoser, R-1 Security(17421) Dakota Ridge High students Jordana Spaven and Val Halle "are friends of Eric Harris. They know that eight(8 ) individuals were involved and that there will be another incident." Eric Campbell(732) Says fellow student Jessica Cave(1820) says she saw 10 shooters at the school(Jessica herself was not interviewed). Others: Andrew Lowry(5246) Said that "due to the volume of shots and explosions(in the first 20 minutes) he felt nobody would be left alive in the school." John Cook(755) and Lisa Forgen(3005) They see 2 shooters, and tell IOs that they could identify them if they had photos. Interview given days after 4-20; the implication is that they were not H&K. (2+2=4) DPO Depew(7999) "Depew stated he felt there were additional suspects hiding out in the outer perimeter communicating with the shooters on the hand-held radios." ------------------------ Others: Betty Shoels(DP 6-24-00) "...Duran was involved in a conspiracy.... Everyone in the world knows that conspirators were involved in the case. .... She claimed that law enforcement had not fully investigated the massacre....." "Let the Truth be out, and let the chips fall where they may" ---------------------------------------- SIMALTANEOUS What did the ear witnesses hear? Numerous students heard gunshots/explosions in different parts of the school simaltaneously. IOs generally ignored the implications of this: that two or more parties were attacking the school. Which of course probably meant more than two shooters, as H&K were officially together almost the entire time. To wit Sara Houy(380) Heard bombs in cafeteria below, while shooters were inside library, exploding bombs. Josh Lapp(480) Heard gunfire in other parts of the school while attack on library is going on. Holly Pinkham(1620) Says friend Don Goin had his shoe shot off while in middle hall, while gunshots were going off in cafeteria. Alex Babiner(1954) "He thought the explosions were coming from the level he was on and from downstairs at the same time." Doug Johnson(1947) Heard gunfire and explosions coming from library and commons areas. Drew Lagerborg(1999) Ran west down south hallway, there was a gunman at end of that hallway. Ran to north hallway, he heard a shooter down that hallway as well. Josh Brinkley(2528 ) Heard shots downstairs, then different shots upstairs(from two guns). Jay Gallantine(3086) Sees gunman by library then runs downstairs where he hears more gunshots "all this time hearing shots all around me and above me." Matt Katzenmeier(3424) Heard shots and explosions inside the school at the same time there are 2 suspects outside. Dan Lab(3495) Hears shots and explosions from library and cafeteria. Jesse Maddox(3610) Upon the entry of a gunman into the northwest entrance, he runs upstairs to the first landing, hears gunshots upstairs, then ran back down. Danae Pederson(4043) Hears simaltaneous shots in north and south hallways. Brandi Wiseman(4751) Caught in one of the rooms off the kitchen, hears gunshots, bombs and screaming coming from cafeteria and library. Lindsay Wyant(4799) Heard shots in cafeteria and library at same time. Ashley Egeland(5255) Fleeing from 2 gunmen in the upper main hallway, she hears shots coming from the commons. Ashley Burner(6022) Someone told her they were watching 2 dead suspects and could hear gunfire upstairs at the same time. Evan Todd(8826) Heard bombs in other parts of the building while H&K were in library. Diwata Perez and Jessica Holliday(9923) Heard gunshots elsewhere while shooters were in library. Time(12-20-99) "Students and teachers trapped in various parts of the school were flooding 911 dispatchers with calls reporting the shooters were, simaltaneously, inside the cafeteria, the library, and the front office." --------------- "We can't be that stupid to think it was just these two kids....two adults couldn't have done this." -Christian LaPlante(father of CHS student Jennifer), quoted in Extra Daily News.com 4-23-99

by **starviego** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 12:41 am

Among the best evidence are eyewitnesses who saw and recognized other participants in the crime. The below lists contains most of those who saw and were able to name other attackers at Columbine, plus a few more whose descriptions of the shooter(s) cannot possibly be either Harris or Klebold. (Note: "Redacted" is someone other than H&K) The following eyewitnesses identified a 'Robert' or 'Robert Perry' as one of the attackers: 1) Cyrstal Archuleta(EP1-197) "...she did see one person throw a pipe bomb. .....She told me at the time she thought it was Robert Perry." 2) Seth Dubois(EP21-125) "...Seth told Katherine(Carlston) that Robert Perry was seen shooting a girl in the back while leaving the library." 3) Wade Allen Frank(EP1-91) "Mr. Frank told me that he thought origonally one of the individuals(shooting) was someone by the name of Robert..." "He stated that the person was tall, approximately 6'3" and kind of ackward(sic) and gangly." 4) Bryan Frye(EP25-69) "He stated that the person he had previously believed this shooter to be was Robert Perry. .....In a previous interview, after receiving his yearbook, he had told his father that he believed the shooter to be Robert Perry. He also stated that the gunman had bad acne." 5) Courtney Haulman(EP25-91) "There was three guys. The guy I remember most was the main guy. He's over 6' tall and has long curly dark-colored hair. He was wearing a trench coat. His name is Robert Perry." 6) Lacey Hohn(EP1-186) "...can you identify or descibe who was shooting? ....Ms. Hohn said that she does not believe it was Harris or Klebold. Ms. Hohn believes it was an individual named Robert." 7) Bijen Monty(EP1-110) "I asked her if she saw the source of the shooting. She told me she saw who she thought, at the time, was Robert Perry with a gun hanging around his neck. She said she never actually saw him shoot the weapon. "She asked me if I had any information in regards to Robert Perry. I informed her I did not." 8 ) Tessa Nelson(EP1-113) "I asked her if she saw the source of the shots. She said she saw a male, who she thought was Robert Perry, wearing boots, dark jeans with dark hair, walking down the stairs outside the cafeteria. She said the male suspect pulled a gun and started shooting." 9) Katelyn Sue Place(EP21-285) Kate said, "It was (Redacted). I'm almost positive of it. I remember looking him dead in the eye. He was in my debate class..... . ...Dylan kind of looked like Robert, but Dylan doesn't have the long face. Robert's teeth are messed up and he was smiling and I saw his teeth then. Kate said that she has since seen pictures of Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris, and she said, "It's not one of them."(Referring to the person she saw shooting out on the outside commons.) "She remembers him shooting Ann Marie(Hochalter). .... Robert was just randomly shooting. ...Robert was still shooting. ....Kate said that Robert shot Ann Marie before he smiled at Kate. ....She looked and saw Jason(Autenrieth) trying to help Ann Marie, dragging her away from Robert, to the side." 10) Lacey Smith(4470) "On the diagram she depicts (Redacted) as walking in through the doors, past where she was sitting, and going in about as far as they north end of the school store. It was at that time she heard the windows breaking and then realized she was hearing shots. "....she did not have any trouble indentifying PERRY when he walked past her. I asked SMITH how sure she was that the person she saw and spoke with was (Redacted). I asked, "90 percent sure? 50 percent sure?" Her response was "100 percent sure." I then showed SMITH a photo lineup which included a picture of Dylan KLEBOLD, and asked her if the person who walked past her was in the lineup. She stated he was NOT in the lineup. .....As (Redacted) passed her and was near the commons area of the cafeteria, she then explained that (Redacted) pulled a weapon out from under his trench coat and started firing into the cafeteria. 11) Brenton Hooker(16397) "....he turned around and observed an individual he thought was ROBERT PERRY(ex-student of Columbine High School) standing outside the door just to the north of the main entrance shooting a pistol in his direction...." ....HOOKER described the individual he thought was PERRY as 6'8" - 6'11" in height, very skinny, tight black pants, black trench coat..." 12) Tyler Chenoweth(1830) "A student named Jen Smull saw through the (science classroom)door during the incident and said that the tall suspect had curly hair and was the student who came to a Halloween party as a warlock. He thought of Robert Perry based on that description." The following eyewitnesses identified a (Redacted) as being the shooter, with the description fitting Perry's: 13) Tiffany Lien(968 ) "Lien stated she believed gunman number one was (Redacted).... ...Lien stated that she was approximately twenty to twenty-five feet away from gunman number one and looked at him face to face for approximately 25 seconds, frozen in her tracks." Tall male had long black trench coat, black jeans, dark brown hair. His hair was kind of long and had curls. He was skinny and his shoulders kind of hunched over. ...She also stated that the gunman had bad acne. 14) Kristen Long(20245) "Long said suspect definitely had dark hair and a large nose, thought it might be (Redacted)." 15) Rusty Shyler(5464) "The individual was very tall. ...Shyler saw his face partially and thought based upon his dress and size that it may have been (Redacted). He was a hundred percent sure it was (Redacted). He described (Redacted) as being 6'6" to 6'7" tall and having lots of zits." 16) Chris Thierren(1207) Saw a tall shooter with acne, large nose, shoulder-length hair. "He stated that the picture he saw was of (Redacted) and he was 'pretty sure' he was the shooter he saw that morning at CHS." 17) Erin Walton(4139) "Erin Walton said she knew one of the shooters, and that he not one of (the) two Eric and Dylan. ...he was a senior named (Redacted). and he was very tall, had bad acne scars on his cheeks.... " The following witnesses did not identify the shooter, but the descriptions fits Perry's: 18 ) Pat Caruso(2683 and EP17-13) "Thought the suspect looked like a trench coat student he has seen before who had bad acne, ....curly long dark brown hair, wearing black trenchcoat.... and a tie-dyed shirt, pink or yellow." 19) Justin Norman(3929) "Upon the hill we saw a tall guy with blond hair, acne, big nose and buck teeth.... the guy had a handgun and he shot one kid in the ankle and another who didn't move." (Note: Accoding to Norman in a later interview, this was Klebold, though the description is more indicative of Perry.) 20) Joanathan Ballard(1765) "One of the (trenchcoated)kids(who was walking the halls during the shooting-implied to be a shooter) was about 6'5" or 6'6",.... I later saw on channel 4 or 9 news, I'm almost positive, that same man or teen, on t.v., acting all worried." (Note: this can't be Harris or Klebold, as they died in the shooting.) Others: 21) Nathan Anema(2359) "....Anema identified (Redacted) as possibly being the person he saw throw a pipe bomb during the shooting at Columbine High School on 4-20-99. ...Anema stated that he initially thought the person that he saw throwing the pipe bomb was (Redacted)." 22) Katie Beer(6636) ".... when the incident began at Columbine High School, she initially tried to get out of the school by going toward the main doors on the east side of the school by the administrative offices, however, she said she saw a third shooter next to these offices and that this third shooter shot out windows at that location. ...Katy Beer told him this third shooter may have been (Redacted)." 23) Jason Brehm(719) One of the shooters had a very round face, shorter than 5'11". Not Harris or Klebold. 24) Leanne Clark(1422) "...Clark told her that she saw who did the shooting in the cafeteria, and that Clark identified (Redacted) as a gunman." 25) John Cook(756) A couple of weeks after the massacre, "Cook said he believed he could ID both of the suspects if he saw photos of them again." Since everybody had seen the photos of H&K in the media, and knew they had died in the incident, Cook is clearly not talking about Eric or Dylan here. 26) Frank DeAngelis, School Principle(8018 ) "I also assisted the principle of Columbine, who was having hard time giving the pictures of possible suspects to the command post and was present when he looked at and identified one of the suspects he was named.(sic) The male suspect was in the custody of, I believe, Jefferson Co. Sheriff's investigators." 27) David Eagle(1878 ) "The guy with the gun had black hair looked like it was spiked shaved on the sides.(sic) It was also blond on top. 5'9", about 18 years old. "He has since seen pictures of Harris and Klebold on television. ...David said that the person he saw did not look like the people he's seen on television." 28 ) Ashley Egelund(22671) "Ashley was in north corridor when she observed (Redacted) and Eric Harris coming around the corner from the library.... She said Chris Morris was armed with a handgun while Harris was armed with a shotgun.(5248 ) ....both started shooting at Ashley.... Ashley did not know (Redacted) at first but she saw his picture in the yearbook and is positive it was (Redacted). "... No photo lineup per Investigator Battan." 29) Amy Evans(22205) "....Amy Evans said there was a third shooter and it was (Redacted)." 30) Joel Hatfield(19277) "Joel Hatfield interviewed 4-29-99. Saw one shooter with excellent description of dress, physical, guns and movement. Could ID in lineup if needed." Once again, this cannot be H or K, as everybody was aware that H&K were in no position to stand in a lineup! 31) Mark Hengel(5901) "Hengel identified Klebold and (Redacted) from the photograph in the attached 1A envelope.... Also attached is a 1A envelope is a diagram of Columbine High School indicating the diection of Hengel and the two individuals dressed in black." Apparently the interviewing officer didn't like what he was hearing, and so the interviewer ends up telling the eyewitness what he saw: "I then advised Mark Hengel that the skinny person he saw standing and shooting was Dylan Klebold and the person he saw standing over the duffel bag was Eric Harris." 32) AnneMarie Hochalter, gunshot victim outside the cafeteria(18218 ) "Advised that Harris/Klebold did not shoot her. .... Has ID on shooters." 33) Leigh Kamens(1422) While in the 'green room' off of the science hall, she identified (Redacted) as one of the gunmen. 34) Tim Kastle(3416) "As far as I know the suspects are Dylan Klebold, Eric Harris, (Redacted) and I think there might have been two others." 35) Alicia Maes(3614) "Alicia stated that when she first observed the male in the black trench coat, she thought it was a person known to her as (Redacted)." 36) Lucas Milne "Saw (Redacted) in commons at 11am in a black trenchcoat and knows (Redacted). States that Dan Goin and Brandon Little and Bijen Monte saw (Redacted) shooting at school. Milne picked out (Redacted) in photo lineup. 37) Leiha Murphy(3828 ) In the cafeteria, notices commotion outside north-west door. "I saw a guy I recognized as (Redacted). He was running... Stair had his blond hair down. It's past his shoulders. He's about 6', tall, skinny, he was wearing a long black trench coat.... I saw nothing in his hands. He was observed a short distance from whatever was going on at the door. My thought was that (Redacted) was involved if there was a fight." Stair named in the cafeteria map(see page 3830). Leiha also immediately picked him out of a photo lineup. "I ask Leiha if she was certain that this individual was (Redacted). Leiha said "Oh yeah, I'm certain.... I saw his face full on. I remember seeing his face completely....(she said he stood in place for about 15 seconds)....I remember him graduating last year." She remembers him wearing 'makeup on his face and hand' and that because of that, he stood out from other students." (3836) Also, at least four ear- witnesses heard the suspects refer to one of their number as "Joe".(Encinas, 2943, Herivel, 1927, McKenna, 3525, and Salazar, EP21-224) 38 ) Mark Opfer(1064) "At the time, Opfer believed the taller person in the black tenchcoat who with(sic) the shooter was (Redacted)....." (25625) "CHS student Mark Opfer was interviewed on 4-27-99... In that interview Opfer stated that he believed (Redacted, wearing a trench coat) was standing next to a gunman and was involved in the shooting." 39) Josh Ortwein(1939) "...Josh Ortwein witnessed the shooting and he was telling everyone he saw (Redacted) shooting a gun." 40) Bree Pasquale(18018 ) Library eyewitness, was made to beg for her life. Says the gunman lived down the street from her and played the character "Morgan" in a school play. She knew him, and he knew her. Definitely not H or K! 41) Jessica Rusch(2143) "...she identified one of the gunmen at the Columbine High School as being an individual known as (Redacted)." 42) Cara Sander(EP25-203) Describes gunman as pudgy, overweight, very full face, thick bushy eyebrows. IDs him as (Redacted), who is heavy-set with a round face, short dark hair and dark eyebrows. A copy of the CHS yearbook page with Brian Sargent's photo is included in her interview. [John Ungerland(1701) says Brian Sargent has a round chubby face and is a big guy with bushy eyebrows. He saw him that morning at school; Sargent was wearing a short sleeve white button-up shirt-a polo type.] 43) Mindy Pollock(10009) Sees one gunman outside west entrance, holding a gun on the fence. ...Dressed in a "white dress-type shirt", short brown hair, with a "little bit of a gut". "POLLOCK stated she recognized the lower, #1 gunman as (Redacted)."(1095) 44) Trent Karnes(912) Says one suspect... had on a white dress shirt or a white sleeve shirt, he was holding a rifle on fence, shooting at people outside of cafeteria. [Note: Officially, both H&K were wearing T-shirts during the assault.] 45) Jen Smull(2182) In science hall, sees Klebold and an older suspect, 25-30, blond with short, spiky, buzz-cut hair. 46) Valeen Schnurr, gunshot victim in library(18969) "Per Valeen's mother, Shari Schnurr, Valeen possibly identified her shooter as (Redacted)." 47) Jennifer Tindall(1226) "....insisted that neither suspect she saw was Eric Harris or Dylan Klebold. ...Tindall picked out (Redacted) photograph as possibly being the male in the black trench coat." 48 ) Adam Thompson(21039) "....he had seen a gunman shooting inside the school. Does not think it is the same as gunmen in the media." 49) John Vandemark(2216) In the science hall, sees older shooter with dark hair, spiky with blond tips. 50) Erin Walton(2243) In th science hall, sees suspect with short blond hair-"like he was going bald"-older, in his 30s. 51) Emily Wyant(641) A week after 4-20, says to the interviewing officer "...she would recognize them again if she saw them again." 52) Chris Wisher(9832) "....he recognized one of the shooters--the other shooter was the kid wearing black that was arrested and placed in cuffs and put inside a black police car. He said that he is 100% positive that he was the male that shot at him." (EP6-265) "Thought he recognized Chris Morris as being one of the shooters.... ...on the west side of the cafeteria." 53) Aaron Welsh(610) Can ID both suspects(on 4-22). 54&55) According to Hilary Snyder, Rachel Danford and Janel Phiebolt saw (Redacted) in school on 4-20. He was wearing a tye-dye shirt. Rachel alter sees (Redacted) down at Columbine Public Library. 56) Terry Lawson(10020) ID other than H&K. 57) Monica Schuster(19470) "Schuster saw gunman but did not believe it was Harris and Klebold." 58 ) Lisa Forgen(3005) She sees 2 shooters, and tells IOs that she could identify them if she had photos. Interview given days after 4-20; the implication is that they were not H&K. (2+2=4) 59) Arthur Curtis(19444) Saw two shooters, can ID them. (interview given on 4-28-99, the implication once again is that they were not HorK. (DRMN 5-14-99) "...people have reported that they saw others carry stuff into the building." "Let the Truth be out, and let the chips fall where they may" ------------------------------------------ Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=starviego>starviego</A> at: 7/19/05 10:43 pm

by **starviego** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 12:47 am

Trench Coat Mafia associate Pat McDuffee was interviewed the evening of 4-20. Beginning on page 10786 of the 11K there is a list of redacted names and a short synopsis of his version of their involvement in the events of that day. On pages 10784 to 10785 there is an unredacted list of 'subjects'. By matching the two in the order they were listed we come up with the following: (Redacted)(Dutro): Helped with the planning of the attack. Uses drugs like meth. Drives a white Toyota car or minivan. Klebold(Klebold): At school with a handgun. (Redacted)(Stair): Was at school with gun by library outside stairs. Helped plan the attack. Drinks and smokes dope. Has many different types of guns, sweep guns, shotguns. (Redacted)(Phillips): Helped build the bombs, tested them at his house. Drives a '94 blue Honda Accord. Dope smoker most of the time. (Redacted)(Beachum): Helped build the bombs and tested them with Phillips. Was part of the planning of the attack. ("Redacted")("Eric" LNU): Part of the planning of the attack. Stored most of the weapons. He transported most of the stuff to the school for the attack. Was at school outside during the attack. Drives a WHITE FORD BRONCO parked in the lot. Harris(Harris): Was inside of school during the attack and had many different types of guns. Had said "I will kill jocks and blow up a school." (Redacted)(Morris): Was inside of school during the attack. Helped plan it. Wrote letters and made videos about violence. (Redacted)(Ault): Was part of the planning for the attack. Likes guns and violent movies. (Redacted)(Perry): Was at the school with an automatic gun downstairs by a door shooting outside. Helped with the planning of the attack. He also told IOs there were up to four students at both Chatfield High and Bear Creek High who were "part of the group"(and thereby implying foreknowledge on their part). In a final interview a week later he backpedals furiously from his initial IDs. This interview is important in that someone on the inside confirms what many eyewitnesses saw--namely the involvement of many other active participants, and hence further destroy the official version of what happened.

by **starviego** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 12:55 am

Gunshots/suspects in the school after 12:08pm ------------------------------------------------ According to the Final Report put out by the Sheriff's Department, Harris and Klebold died approximately at 12:08pm. Officially there were no more gunshots after this time with the exception of up to six to eight 'shock-lock' rounds fired from shotguns in order to breech locked doors. But like the Energizer Bunny, this thing kept going, and going, and going.... Witnesses reported many more gunshots were fired after this time, far too many to be accounted for by the shock lock rounds alone. Naturally, when JeffCo bothered to address the issue, it implied this was just 'covering fire' and not worthy of further investigation. Clearly, the incident was not over at 12:08pm. One has to conclude other shooters were still active inside the school after this time. To wit: --12:11pm Littleton Fire Departmant radio traffic log: "Shots still being fired."(EP 10-4) --12:15pm Around 12:15 Jen Smull hears gunfire outside of Mr. Peterson's science class. She recognized Dylan Klebold "attempting to get into the science class next door to her."(16399) --12:16pm "Suspect at front doors with a hostage" (From the timeline prepared by JCSO Valbert, pg25167) --12:23pm "more shots fired" (timeline, Dep Valbert, pg25167) --12:30pm Science hall witness Pam Karakusis hears two to four gunshots(1979). --12:30 -12:45pm Science hall witness Elizabeth Schneider said the shots lasted until 12:30 or 12:45pm(2163). --12:35 to12:39pm A group of three Denver policemen fire into west entrance and north library door. Lt. Manwaring saw the sillouette of an 'aggressor' inside double doors and fired two rounds from an AR-15 at the 'veiled' person. Sgt. O'Shea saw a muzzle flash and said a suspect threw an Improvised Explosive Device(IED) at him from the north library door. He fired his 9mm at least three times into the door of the library. Capt. Vince DiManna felt 'a concussive heat' as he passed the library door. DPDO Depew, observing from a distance, said the officers were getting fired upon and saw debris coming of out of the west doors toward them(7996). George Gray fired 16-18 rounds of 'suppression' fire at the west doors, though he claims not to have seen any gunmen. (Pages 68-69, Governor's Commission Report) --12:43pm CHS Command Post Log reveals "A report of more shots fired on the north side of the school."(9640) --12:45pm DPDO Lietz, in phone contact with student Matt Depew downstairs, hears shooting, 20 minutes of silence, then more shooting. Heard gunshots over the phone from 11:20am to 12:45pm(2837). --12:45pm Accoding to Mr. DeAngelis, "...Harris and Klebold died at approximately 12:45pm"(of gunshots, presumably).(EP1-283) --12:45 to 1pm Science hall witnesses James Bisgard, Steve Broden, Elisha Encinas, Travis Meason, Melissa Phillips, and Johnathan Vandermark all hear gunshots for the first 30 to 60 minutes, then 30-45 minutes of silence, then more gunshots for 10-30 minutes. --12:51pm "Shots fired on south side/possibly friendly fire" (pg25167) --1pm Hiding in a cabinet, library witness Patricia Neilson says she hears a small, short burst of gunfire in the library. "She looked at her watch." (page 76 in the 11K) --1pm Teacher Marlene Nederman hiding in one of the closets off the kitchen, hears three to four shots upstairs(3891). --1pm Science hall witness Mike Rotole says he heard five or six shots from the library(1954). --1:09pm Local station KUSA, also broadcast on CNN, gets a live report from a "James"* inside the school who reports hearing gunshots about 1:09pm. --1pm- 1:15pm Matt Depew hiding in the kitchen storage room with others hears the suspects in the kitchen and cafeteria until about 1 to 1:15pm(2826) Richard Green, also in that room, heard gunfire until about 1pm(3196). Shannon Ryan said the last shots were fired from about 1 to 2pm(4268 ). Brandi Wiseman heard the gunmen shooting appliances in the kitchen at 12:30pm. "She looked at her watch."!! --1:15pm Peter Forsberg, from the language hallway, hears last shots after 1:15pm near the science rooms(5370). --1:20pm Kyle Hayes, science hall: "Over the next two hours(1120-1320), he heard numerous gunshots and explosions which he believed were coming from inside the building."(3280) --1:25pm "James" sees gunmen in hall, both wearing black masks, as reported on local TV station KUSA. --About 1:30pm Student Mark Opfer, hiding in the foreign language hall, says he heard the last gunshots and explosions about 1:30pm(1063). --About 1:30pm Kitchen worker Laverne Helms: "Helms still thought she heard shots until about 10 minutes before she was rescued by the SWAT team (at about 1:40pm)(3297). --About 1:30pm Librarian Lois Kean, hiding in RNN sound booth, says "Last shots heard around 1:30hours."(22537) --1:30pm Kent Foncannon, rescued by SWAT around 1:30pm. "Foncannon believed that he heard shots during this time"(2999). --1:30pm "A man approached CP with cellular phone in contact with son in school, and could hear the suspects firing their weapons."(9644) --1:35pm Jen Smull, in one of the science rooms, heard a loud boom around 1:35pm(2185). --1:50pm Unnamed janitor hiding in the kitchen freezer: "He recalled looking at his watch at 1:50pm and around that time recalls hearing shooting."(page 66 of FBI report) --2pm Jonathan Ballard in the science hall heard gunfire until 2pm(1765). --2pm Father of student in contact with his son in the "band room or music area" via cell phone can hear gunshots in the background. DeAngelis tells him its probably SWAT. (EP 1-283) --2pm Patricia Neilson hiding in the library's kitchen area, says she still heard 'sporadic explosions'(of bombs, presumably) after 2pm(080). --2:30pm Amy Terry heard no more gunshots after 2:30pm(2207).. --2:36pm DPD dispatch log says "Suspect has been looking out windows near fire truck on west side."(9220) --3pm Jacquelyn Baker in Sci 7: "Did hear somebody say 'You will not hurt those kids'(man's voice)"(25053) This sounds like a confrontation with remaining suspects. --3:30pm "Flurry" of shots reported from the gym area.(USFA/FEMA Report, pg 31) --3:42pm Handwritten note reads "Student in gym just shot 5 minutes ago."(9160) --3:45pm "As late as 3:45, news crews report shots can be heard inside the school." Columbia Journalism Review, May '99 --3:50pm Science hall witness Sarah Olejniczak hears two gunshots, followed by the entry of SWAT 15 minutes later.(2078 ) -------------------------------------- "Let the Truth be out, and let the chips fall where they may"

by **starviego** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 1:12 am

Ring Around Columbine There were a lot of strange things going on in schools around the same time as Columbine: THE INNER RING ------------------ --Prior to 4-20-99 Chief of Police, McComb, Mississippi said a local trench coater--"carbon copy of Harris and Klebold"--"was doing planning"(of a school shooting?) Chief said the youth was in custody. "It is believed by the chief that there many be some connection."(21111) ------------------------- --4-17-99 "West Metro Fire Investigator Dave Green advised Pomona High School (metro Denver) students (Redacted) and (Redacted) arrested on April 17, 1999 with explosives. Also within past month (Redacted) contacted in early AM hours at Pomona High School in fatigues. Claimed to be on maneuvers..... There is no connection with this investigation."(17824) Note: the "splatter punks", those three guys in black jackets and camo pants seen on national TV being arrested in Clement Park(next to CHS) were initially accused of a planned attack on Pomona High School(same school district as CHS) "based on numerous tips the police received". A 'phony" bomb threat would cause Pomona HS to be evacuated about a week later. ------------------------- --4-19-99 There was a probable planned attack with many similarities to Columbine in far-off Evans High School in Georgia. The Columbia County Seriff's Department in Appling, Georgia questioned two students(Michael Buckner, 15, and an unk youth) on April 19, 1999(the day before Columbine) regarding death threats they reportedly had made at Evans High. Police seized guns at both boys homes as well as computers, and "Excalibur and Samurai-type swords". They both were believed to practice some type of witchcraft, and they participated in LARP war games. They wore trench coats over their all-black outfits with combat boots. {Note that all of these characteristics were shared with the TCM in Colorado.} The Georgia authorities said there was no connection to the events in Colorado, which was "contrary to many news reports fueled by roumor, that are currently circulating throughout the region." Early local media reports, however, said the two groups were in internet contact or were visiting the same web site. [FBI Report on Columbine, pg 8] ---------------------- --4-19-99 Employee at Stein Elementary School got voice mail message on 4-19 that she saved for the cops: "Yes, I'm one of the trench coat robbers, so you idiots and(sic) if you don't give up $10million we're going to kill everybody in the school. You have my warning." The Stein Elementary Security Office says "It is believed to be young children." (17977) --------------------------- --7:30am on 4-20-99 Bomb found at Highlands Ranch High School(neighboring Douglas County)(7962) "The sheriff's office also made two arrests in connection with a bomb hoax April 20 at Highlands Park Ranch School. "Four days after the incident, the sheriff's office charged Ben A. Bennett, 18, and Jonathan Reich, 18, with the possession, use or removal of explosives or incendiary devices--a felony. "One teen is a student at the high school and the other is a former classmate.... "As new of the shootings at Columbine High School began to spread, rumors began to circulate that the fake bomb was in fact legitimate. "The bomb was not real" Deputy Kim Stuckenschneider of the sheriff's office said. "It just happened at the wrong time. That had absolutely no connection whatsoever with Columbine. It's just a rumor." [Douglas County News Press, 4-22-99] Cops said it was a "hoax". ========== --11:15am on 4-20 Columbine Massacre begins ========== --At 1:30pm on 4-20 A gun with ammo is found in the trunk of a student's car at Kiowa High School(Denver metro area). The owner, 17, tried to run away. Cops also said he may have threatened others, and that he vowed revenge. [DP.com 4-22, see "How tragedy unfolded"] ---------------------- --8:50pm on 4-20 A theft of four handguns occurs from the Jumbo Sports Store in the town of Lone Tree in Douglas County using smash-and-grab techniques. Arrested later was 18yr old Joel David Freiboth, ex-CHS student at 7700 South Garrison Street and an unidentified 17yr old in the 5800 block of South Garland Way. Four handguns were recovered. "...the suspects do live in the area and have ties to Columbine High School" according to the Douglas County Sheriff's spokesperson. "No motive has been established, but one possibility is that they were arming themselves because they were scared and wanted to protect themselves. "With Freiboth was a 14yr old boy, a student at Columbine who claimed to be a witness to the shooting, authorities said." [DP.com(DenverPost online) for 4-22-99. Header: "Two CHS students arrested"] Cops implied it was a "hoax". ------------------------------------ --4-21 In Colorado Springs(70 miles south of Denver), one Shannon Waltz and three other teenagers dressed "as gothics in black trench coats and masks were charged with trespassing after a disturbance wedesday afternoon at Coronado High School." Another report had them armed with 'firecrackers'. Three were students at another high school and one was a dropout. [DP.com for 4-22, see "Notes from somber days"] Cops said it was a "hoax". ------------------------- --4-21 Shutdown of Kennedy High(near CHS) Manager of a 7-11 near Kennedy High School, she sees 3 males, including one wearing TC(tall, slender, long blonde hair, shoulder length) enter her store at 1:55pm on 4-20, acting 'strange' and 'nervous'. They deny any knowledge of what's going on at CHS. Dana Baylis(8912) Manager of 7/11 at South Wadsworth and Yukon has video of TCMers from Kennedy High wearing trenchcoats on 4-20-99. Other kids say there will be an incident at Kennedy High on 4-21-99.(19680) "A 'potential link' to students responsible for the massacre at Columbine High School triggered the shutdown Wedesday(4-21) of Denver's Kennedy High School .... the boundaries of the two schools are adjacent.... However, they said it wasn't a bomb or bomb threat that prompted the school's closure, along with the closure of all ten Denver high schools....denver Lt. Frank Conner said Kennedy was closed primarily because of its proximity to Columbine."--Denver Post, 4-22-99 Kennedy High School student Aaron Ratliff's journal entry dated 2-22- titled "56 days to classified information". (56 days after 2-22 is 4-20-99) He said it referred to pot smoking.--(17854) -A 15-year-old Kennedy High School freshman was arrested(5-14-99) for allegedly threatening to kill classmates and a teacher and blow up the Denver school. † The youth allegedly told two students about detailed plans to handcuff those on a hit list to desks and "blow their hands off or shoot them in the head," police said. "He also said he was going to go in the hallways and start shooting other students. He said it was going to be Columbine all over again." --------------------- --4-22-99 Chesterfield, VA, VirginiaRichmond Times-Dispatch, 4/23/99 Two Manchester High School students were charged yesterday with conspiracy offenses in an alleged scheme to manufacture explosive devices and detonate them inside the 2,400-student school with the intent "to kill more than one person." The students, ages 14 and 15, each were charged with conspiracy to manufacture explosive devices and conspiracy to commit capital murder. They're charged with conspiracy to commit capital murder and manufacture explosive devices. Chesterfield County Police said the stolen key and alleged bombing scheme at Manchester High School were not intended to copy the Colorado crimes, instead, the two teens charged were making plans to manufacture bombs long before the Littleton massacre. -------------------- 4-22-99 R.E. Lee High School, Staunton, Virginia, Richmond Times-Dispatch of 4/24/99 Police arrested a 14-year-old high school student Thursday on a bomb- making charge after a tipster alerted them to an apparent parallel with the deadly Colorado school shooting. Prompted by news reports of the Littleton, Colo., massacre, someone in the Staunton area directed authorities to a Web page the local teen allegedly had set up, the city prosecutor said. R.E. Lee High School shut down for two days in Staunton, VA area because a student had threatened bombing. He was arrested after a home search turned up a pipe bomb and a floor plan for the school. After the arrest, the rumors were so wild that the school was shut down while it was searched. 04/30/99 10:03:12 PDT [Although the arrest occured on 4-22, the fact that the suspect had a website setup may indicate it was created before 4-20. And what was the "apparent parallel" with Columbine?] ------------------------ Petersburg, Newport News, and Culpeper, VARichmond Times-Dispatch, 4/24/99 Students have been arrested on a variety of charges in Petersburg, Newport News and Culpeper in the wake of the deadly shooting in Colorado that has focused attention on school safety. -freerepublic Five students arrested in Richmond VA and charged with conspiracy for contemplating a Columbine style attack. 04/30/99 10:03:12 PDT In the Richmond, Virginia, area, at least 13 students have been arrested in recent days for making various threats. One police official said: "I've never seen anything that's quite taken on the hysteria that this has. Rumors are just feeding on themselves ..." -------------------------- --4-25-99 "Two 16-year old males were arrested Thursday(4-22-99) for making bomb threats to Douglas County High School(on 4-21) in Castle Rock(Colorado), according to county officials. They claimed to be members of the Trench Coat Mafia, officials said."(Denver Post, 4-25-99 and FBI-1619) "Someone called the school about 11am Wedesday and stated: "This is the Trench Coat Mafia and there is a bomb in the building; detonation time three minutes." Investigators got tips from numerous parents and students implicating two boys, a student and a former student, Stuckenschneider said. They were charged Thursday with making false reports of explosives and conspiracy, which are both felonies,...." "The reason we're pushing so hard for felony coviction on this is so we won't get so many hoaxes," Stuckenschneider said."(Denver Post 4-23-99 and FBI-1619) Cops think it was a "hoax". ---------------------- --4-27-99(or before) "Student found with pipe bomb at Dakota Ridge High School"(18665). Same student arrested a couple of weeks later. Also, --Shane Neuhouse "provided information on (Redacted's) criminal activity and (his)plans to attack Englewood High School."(21154) --------------------- -4-30-99 Faye "Rae" Holt, 34, of Westminster(Colorado), the mother of a former Pomona High School student, was arrested(4-30-99) on false reporting and felony menacing charges for bomb scare that forced the evacuation of the school. She is suspected of calling the school on 4-28-99, claiming there were bombs in backpacks and saying "There goes your students. There goes your school. This is not a Joke." Witness accounts led police to Holt, Arvada police spokeswoman Susan Rossi said. The task force investigating the Columbine shootings was called in to determine if the threat was connected to the events at Columbine, but police have discounted that, Rossi said. Authorities believe she was just unhappy with the school. "She had ongoing dealings with the school ... and felt her son did not get treated fairly,'' District Attorney Dave Thomas said. ----------------------- --1-1-01 Rampart Range- Proving ground for teen killers? Unless there's another Rampart Range in the Denver area, this shooting range was also used by another group of Colorado teen killers- the "Operation and Reconnaissance Agents" who in Jan 1, 2001 killed three people in rural Park County. The three teens involved were students at Palmer High School in Colorado Springs, and reportedly used the range to test automatic weapons. This case has many interesting parallels to the Columbine shootings: satanism, study of military tactics, accusations of mind control, a charismatic leader, facsination with knives and swords, etc, etc. I wonder if they closed the range to prevent it from becoming some kind of tourist attraction to conspiracy theorists. ================= From the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office Final Report-"Findings of the Threats Team"-we read "IMMEDIATELY after the shooting on April 20, the command post received NUMEROUS reports of additional attacks that were to occur at other schools in the metro area as well as schools outside the state."(emphasis mine) Based upon the sheer number of these incidents happening on or very near to 4-20, I'd have to say there is a probable connection--and that what was being planned was far more horrific than what actually happened. THE OUTER RING Following the Shooting at Columbine High School: -Denver police Lt. Frank Conner said the city has averaged four to five bomb threats a week, about half of which were school-related, but since Columbine the city has averaged 10 bomb threats per week, with about 75 percent of them school-related, he said. DP.com 5-1-99 and 5-18-99 --4-23-99 Bellaire, Michigan police are investigating threats against students at Bellaire High School by students referred to as the Trench Coat Mafia. Police searched for computer equipment, firearms and explosives, said Charles Koop, Antrim County prosecutor. Some kind of reference was made to somebody going out in a flash, Koop said. The term Trench Coat Mafia was used by people providing the information, Koop said. Whether a connection exists between this and the group in Littleton, Colo., is part of the investigation. Police hope to determine if the alleged group in Bellaire had contact via computers with the Littleton group. Koop said references to the trench coat group in Bellaire were made prior to last week's massacre in Littleton, Colo., where 15 people died including the two gunmen. Schools Superintendent Barb Atkins said an assembly was conducted in school Monday for middle and high school students to reduce their fear in the wake of the events in Littleton. www.record-eagle.com/1999...threat.htm ---------------------- --4/24/99 Wimberly, TX Austin (TX) American-Statesman, Five juveniles were arrested Friday(4-23-99) on charges of planning an attack on Danforth Junior High School in Wimberley. The five 14-year-old boys had planned the assault well before Tuesday's massacre that left 15 dead at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colo., Hays County Sheriff Don Montague said. The Wimberley boys had been planning the attack since the first of the year and intended to kill fellow students and teachers, the sheriff said. A search of the school turned up nothing out of the ordinary, said authorities in this town of 3,000 people about 40 miles southwest of Austin. Montague said of the alleged plot that was similar to the Colorado high school rampage. Sgt Allen Bridges said the five had already identified the classmates and teachers they planned to kill(hitlist). A search of the suspects' homes turned up crude explosive devices and gunpowder, Montague said, as well as computer disks and Internet documents about bomb-making. "Based on the statements given, it is clear that these young men were serious about targeting fellow students and teachers," --In addition to the bomb parts, deputies and agents from the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms found how-to instructions downloaded from the Internet, officials said. --Rumors flew around the school Thursday(4-22-99) about a possible bombing incident. Police said although the studentís plans were in the works, there was no date set for the bombing. Classmates described them as "good kids" who played football and ran track. On Sunday(4-25-99), Gov. George W. Bush came to a gathering of 900 people at the school and urged parents to teach their children to value life. He also applauded officials' prompt response. ``When it comes to the lives of our children, every threat must be taken seriously,'' he said. --------------------- --4-27-99 Taber, Alberta, W.R. Myers HS, shooter unnamed, 2 wounded and 17-year-old Jason Lang dead --A home-made bomb was left behind on his bedroom dresser along with notebook sketchings of dead bodies, devil symbols and a scribbled note. --The boy left W.R. Myers in September 1998 -- eight months before the shooting --He had his own Web page .... . He enjoyed role-playing video games... the teen was a 'whiz kid' who built a pinball machine and invented computer games. ...he designed computer games featuring animated characters shooting and killing each other. ------------------------- --4-29-99 Police say Enid High School in Enid, Okla. was evacuated (Thursday 4-29) after a teacher found a "suspicious device in a box" sitting inside a boys' restroom. Police Capt. Nathan Morris says the box was "rendered safe" by state bomb experts and turned over to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms for examination. In Enid, Oklahoma, a school employee found a pipe bomb in a restroom of a high school on Thursday. Classes were canceled for the 1,400 students and state troopers disabled the device. --------------------- 4-29-99 In California, A 13-year-old boy with a loaded handgun and a hit list of 30 names was arrested at school on Thursday. Authorities pulled the boy out of class at Sierra Middle School in Bakersfield after classmates said they saw a gun under his shirt and saw him loading it outside. A .40-caliber semiautomatic handgun and 13 rounds of ammunition were found on the boy. 'We certainly have a clear picture of what was in his mind and there was no denial'' of his intentions, Kern County sheriff's Cmdr. Don Youngblood said. In the boy's backpack were 30 pieces of paper, each one with the name of a classmate or teacher, a drawing and the words ''because they deserved to die'' scrawled at the bottom, Youngblood said. The boy's father was arrested for allegedly leaving the weapon on the floor of his closet where the boy had access to it, Youngblood said. ------------------------ before 5-3-99 In Fairport, New York, near Rochester, police confiscated gunpowder, propane and bomb-making books at the home of a 12-year-old sixth grader that they said was plotting to blow up his middle school. ----------------------- 5-3-99 Southcoast Early Childhood Learning Center, Costa Mesa, California, Steven Allen Abrams, 39, intentionallly plowed into a crowd of children outside a day care center, killing a 4-year-old girl and a 3-year-old boy, as well as injuring five more. He believed government agencies had devised machines ..that "may even insert thoughts of killing" In interviews with psychiatrists appointed by the court, Steven Allen Abrams repeatedly expresses disbelief at his own actions while justifying them as the only way to stop the "brain waves" that flooded his mind. "I still don't believe I did it, that I could possibly do what I did," Abrams said. "I'm not a killer. . . . I love kids." In his interview with psychiatrist Sheffner, Abrams described dressing in military fatigues during psychotic episodes. The government was trying to reach him through television, radio, books and magazines, he said. Their message: Kill. --"They're going to kill me, the brain wave people. They're assassins," Abrams said, according to the reports. "No matter what happens at the trial, I'll have to deal with them in the end." ----------------------- --5-8-99 Four former or current Adams High School(less than 30 miles northeast of Columbine High School) students were charged(5-14-99) as adult with six felony counts each, including attempted first-degree murder, for allegedly plotting a copycat attack on the school. They had detailed plans and drawings, plus a map of the school, authorities said. "Police uncovered the alleged plot while investigating the teens in connection with a string of burglaries in Commerce City(Denver metro area)." David Robert Deering, 16; Derrick Helquist, 15; Steven E. Goldsberry, 16; and Kenneth Jacobitz, 15. The plans and map were discovered after what police and school officials believe was an unrelated bomb threat made during a traffic altercation early Friday. During that incident, a man threatened a motorist by saying a nearby elementary school would be blown up. That triggered a state of high alert throughout the school district. Police patrolled the grounds and roof. Meanwhile, an unrelated investigation into a series of burglaries in Commerce City yielded the plans of an attack. After school shootings began a couple of years ago elsewhere in the U.S., the school district started "Intruder Alert Drills,'' with students locked into their classrooms and cameras sweeping hallways to identify any movement, Lange said. [Note: the most suspicious thing about this incident is how the media covered it up, considering the proximity to Columbine. I am unable to find out the disposition of the legal cases. Described as being modeled on the Columbine shooting, so it is unlikely it could have been planned before 4-20. But the fact the burglaries may have been an attempt to obtain guns is another sign of the seriousness of the plans.] --------------------- --5-16-99 West Palm Beach and federal authorities on Sunday were investigating a pipe bomb found at a Florida hotel where hundreds of students were arriving for their high school prom. A "real nasty" bomb was discovered Saturday at the entrance to a ballroom at the Sheraton Hotel in West Palm Beach, authorities said. Police defused the bomb, but its discovery prompted officials to immediately cancel the year-end dance. About 400 students from Palm Beach Lakes High had been expected to attend. U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms Agent Dale Armstrong said a "very alert security guard" at the hotel found the bomb as high schoolers were beginning to arrive. The guard became suspicious when he saw a shopping bag near the entrance to the ballroom about 8:30 p.m., Armstrong said. The pipe bomb was inside the shopping bag. "It was a real nasty one," Armstrong said. He said the pipe bomb was filled with nails and other debris that could have inflicted serious injury had it gone off. ATF agents sent the device to a federal laboratory for further analysis. There was no bomb threat called in to alert authorities of the potential danger, Armstrong added. Authorities had no suspects in custody Sunday morning. CNN bomb was found hidden inside an indoor tree planter by the hotel's ballroom entrance. ---------------------------- --5-20-99 T.J. Solomon, Conyers, GA Heritage High, 6 wounded --He had written about "planning it for a year.' --Upon handing the gun over(a teacher had convinced T.J. not to kill himself--the barrel was in his mouth)he started crying hysterically and said repeatedly "I don't know why I did this." --"I did this because, well, I'm not sure..... Ever since the shooting at Columbine in Colorado all I've been able to think about is doing this." "One big question I leave behind for you to find is why," said the note, read by Nicholson during a juvenile court hearing for Solomon. "But for the sake of my brothers and sisters related to the Trench Coat Mafia, those answers will have to remain out of the public eye." The point is this: On the early morning of 4-20-99 there were at least 10-15 serious attacks on schools being planned in the US and Canada(non-serious and copycats being excluded). Now either all this is entirely coincidental, or there may a connection amonst many of these incidents. Both options are frightening. ----------------------- Others: --4-19-99 A report released in Canada says (Monday) children in several African countries are being used as ``instruments of war,'' and are becoming ``killing machines.'' --"On April 20, 1996, ....President Clinton signed the Anti-terrorism Act("for the protection of the people and the state")Vanity fair, Sept 2001 "Let the Truth be out, and let the chips fall where they may"

by **starviego** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 5:40 pm

Here are numerous quotes that testify to the general satanic/occult orientation of the trenchcoat mafia, which may indicate that they were being controlled by others higher-up in the organization: 1) TCMer Eric Dutro walking around the school cafeteria telling people that "Satan loves you"(Kelly Beer, 6106) in the spring of '98. 2) Courtney van Dell, aka 'devil girl,' wore barettes in her hair to make it look like she had horns. Said to be a 'wikken'(sic) or a devil worshipper(Kristi Mohrbacher(1010), Jessica Lucero(1508 ), Leigh Ann Clark(2723)). 3) The students seeking shelter with Clement Park worker Steve Ogle(1056) told him the perpetrators were TCM and were "satanists". 4) Jecoa Catt(1364) told IO that the TCM were satanic. 5) Jason Jones(1474) observed the TCM playing 'magic' cards in the cafeteria, which were about the devil and about power. 6) Lacey Shotts(1651) said she believed the TCM students were 'devil worshippers.' 7) Jen Smull saw Robert Perry at a halloween party dressed as a worlock(1827). 8 ) Student Perlman(4054) said Joe Stair used to come to woodshop class with a book he called 'the devil's bible'. 9) Prior to 4th hour on 4-20, Nicole Ray(4144) saw a male TCMer in the science hall, with his hair fashioned ino devil's horns. 10) TCM associate Nathan Dykeman's bedroom wall was supposedly covered with devil posters(4630). 11) Nathan Dykeman says Harris called him 'devil man'.(10710) 12) Daniel Burg(5838 ) told the IO that "...the TCM--they're like satanists." 13) TCM leader Chris Morris told Mark Hengel(5899) "I don't believe in God. I follow Satan's Commandmants." 14) Sara Lutes(6821) says the TCM were satanic, and that they wore satanic symbols on their shirts, underneath their trenchcoats. 15) Chris Hooker, 18, said they were "satanic individuals." "We'd see them every day. They've threatened to kill people ... but nobody thought that was serious," Hooker said. 16) Library Intern Mary Ziccardi(13647) spent one week at CHS in November of '98. Says Eric Harris "looked like the devil" and may have worn black lipstick. 17) Teacher Mr. Long(EP24-17) said he kicked TCM associate Joe Stair out the computer class for accessing satanic sights. This happened last year.(1998 ) 18 ) TCM associate Eric Ault(10645) told the IOs that "they were into satanic worship." 19) Jennfer Harmon(8835): "...one of their friends-'Becka'-was waiting for the devil to take over the soul." 20) Brooks Brown(USAToday.com): "They're(TCM) all big on anti-God Satanism. They are really just 'pure hate'." 21) What kind of music did the TCM like? 'Devil' music according to Brandi Wiseman(4751). 22) Trista Fogerty(1420): TCM were satanic, when she first got to CHS friends told her to avoid the group. 23) Nicole Markham(8794): "Harris was into...heavy satanic music." 24) Nicole Lawson, sophomore(3526): (TCM associates)"Stephanie(Kinny) and Kelly(Schwab) would draw "fnords" on the black board. Fnords are little symbols that were servants of the devil. They would draw a whole bunch of them. They did it when no one was looking." ['fnord' is thought to stand for 'for no other reason, discord'] 25) TCM associate Chuckie Phillips(10866) internet code(Puterfnord@...) name was meant to represent a servant of the devil. ---------------- Relevant qoutes "organized" Satanic ritual abuse homicide is two or more Satanic cult members conspiring to commit murder "The victim thought he was involved in one level of activity and became an unwilling participant in another" Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=starviego>starviego</A> at: 11/18/05 2:41 pm

by **lilorphant** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 4:23 pm

Good question- The nly information that i have, that culd throw some light on this is that the father of Harris was and officer in the USAF, very involved in his sons life at least until the moved to Colorado, (his dad was a little league coach).something happened when they moved to Colorado. What I remember (from bits and pieces I read in local papers) is that they moved there for a job in a high tech industry, possibly a military contractor. I also remember there being a problem with Harris making friends at his new school.

by **Mentalgongfu** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 4:15 pm

An excellent essay on some of the lesser known facts of Columbine can be found in the book "You are being lied to: The Disinformation Guide to Media Distortion." Edited by Russ Kick,also known for thememoryhole.org I cant recall the essay's author, but one of the interesting notes was the HUNDREDS of bombs supposedly found in the school, which would have taken a long time for just two people to place. Regarding the Satanist ties - be careful. There are lot of hints that something dark and occult is involved here, but I think its unwise to put too much stock in statements from high school students about satanic posters and music, black lip stick, and the like. When I was in high school I listened to heavy metal music, had some white zombie and Metallica posters on the wall, had a dark sense of humor,sometimes painted my fingernails black. I played guitar in a band. Dressed weird. Some naive preppy kids probably thought I was a satanist at some point. I can name dozens of kids who listened to what some might call "satanic music" and wore black lip stick, but none of them worshipped the devil.

by **galilei** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:03 am

I read You Are Being Lied To also, and I seem to remember that one of the TCM was the son of the investigating (FBI?) officer. The article had quotes and evidence pointing to five shooters. The article was strongly speculative that this was a government operation aimed at the frog boiling of the US public into accepting a police state, and that it's not alone. I remember from media reports that the entire compendium of investigation files were destroyed by court order in 2003, "To protect the families of the dead and wounded". I'm glad I found this forum. Interesting place. I'll see if I can find that article online. oo... found it: <a href="http://www.whale.to/b/gowan1.html">www.whale.to/b/gowan1.html</a> Not exactly as I remembered, but pretty close.. gotta start taking the Biloba..

by **thoughtographer** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 11:23 pm

Since I don't see it being discussed; what does everyone think about the Plattsburgh AFB connection? It's a leap in logic, to be sure, but I think it's largely ignored because of Montauk disinformation and other associated noise. People like Al Bielek sure know how to create a smokescreen, in spite of his own apparent ineptitude -- and it's seemingly insignificant things like the so-called "Montauk Project" and it's authors which cast a pall over the real information. Yeah, I know it's seeming unrelated, but meanwhile -- Laura Knight-Jadczyk and others continue to fuck up the data to make a buck.

by **starviego** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 3:20 pm

lilorphant, Eric's dad worked for some defense industry contractor, though exactly what he was doing is unknown. He retired from the Air Force with the rank of major before that. Mentalgongfu, I mentioned the 'satanic' angle as it might point toward a possible motive. At least one of the victims was asked "Do you believe in God?" before being shot. Because no believeable motive for the massacre was ever put forward by the investigators, these references are certainly relevant. Though of course these leads were ignored by the police. Other school shootings also seem to have references to occult/satanic involvement. galilei, The head of the FBI part of the investigation was special agent Dwayne Fuselier. He had one son in the school when the attackers struck. Another son had graduated from Columbine two years before, and had helped make a school video that featured trench-coated gunmen shooting in the hallways of the school. Despite the eerie similarity with what occured two years later, SA Fuselier did not recuse himself from the case. thoughtographer, Plattsburgh is where the Harris family lived before moving to Littleton. There is a lot of speculation that Eric was the subject of brutal mind-control experimentation at the Air Force base there. Interesting, but purely speculative. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=starviego>starviego</A> at: 4/12/06 1:23 pm

by **thoughtographer** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 11:08 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Plattsburgh is where the Harris family lived before moving to Littleton. There is a lot of speculation that Eric was the subject of brutal mind-control experimentation at the Air Force base there. Interesting, but purely speculative.<hr></blockquote> Yeah, that's what I was getting at. Sorry, I guess my previous post assumed that people are already aware of the information you posted. It is purely speculative, and the fact that such stories dovetail so nicely with various other myths like the ones I specified above makes me wonder who's doing the speculating, and why. That's all. "A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=thoughtographer>thoughtographer</A> at: 4/12/06 11:40 pm

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