by Dreams End » Sun Oct 02, 2005 12:43 pm
ALP, the opinion is that thumper posts this stuff to get everyone riled up. maybe we should have ignored it but I hate to let that kind of stuff go unchallenged when other readers come here looking for "truth" or at least get pointed in some directions on their search.<br><br>And here's a little clue for everyone. If you post something from an overtly fascist organization, like the British National Party, then it won't be too convincing when you later post anti-Semitic material and feign surprise when people react to you in a hostile manner.<br><br>Conspiracy theory, as is pursued on this site, is prime material for those with dark agendas. Because conspiracies, by definition, take place in the shadows and in secret, the slightest twist or spin can turn such theories into weapons to be used against some group or another. <br><br>I use Hitler as the example often not to compare some poster to that most evil of men, but to show where anti-Jewish conspiracy theory, taken to its extreme, ultimately leads. To Hitler, borrowing from anti-Jewish conspiracy theories that preceded him by hundreds of years, the Jews were not only responsible for the "banks" but also for communism and general moral decay. The natural remedy, therefore, was to rid the place of Jews.<br><br>Please...let's not all line up to defend ourselves: "but I'm not saying ALL Jews..." or whatever. My main point in the last few weeks (excepting thumper) is less about the poster and more about the sources of this material. When people claim to be exposing secret stuff that you have no way to verify then the only way you can decide whether that material is credible is the credibility of the writer. When that writer has a history of anti-Jewish conspiracy mongering, then even if they no longer say Jewish and now say Illuminati, Luciferians, bankers or lizards, you must proceed with EXTREME caution. And I have found many people to be unaware of these roots of many of the sources cited here. When I post this information, the usual response is "well, maybe they USED to have issues but they don't say that stuff anymore" or else, "yeah, they have some issues with jews but their information is good".<br><br>And the best lies and propaganda always include real information. I'm fascinated that Icke has a following because judging from his website articles (his books may be different) he offers no sources whatsoever for his information. So I'd dismiss him out right no matter what his theories, even if I agreed with him. Larouche, on the other hand, has fantastic researchers. The problem I had with Larouche is that he has a fascist history and will "insert" his spin into this information which is actually far harder to discern unless you go back and redo the research to verify. I also get very nervous when using information from the Washington Times, who happened to be the ones to break the Congressional call boy scandal. The Times is owned by Rev. Sun Myung Moon, who not only runs a large cult, but is very tied into the far right and may even be an agent of South Korea. Not only that, but he's got US Congressmen crowning him Messiah in a public ritual...so if I see something from the TIMES, I really want to find other sources to confirm.<br><br>And it works both ways, by the way. On the one hand, people who aren't careful end up believing myths that are used to support a dark agenda. On the other hand, I have dismissed information because it RESEMBLED information on sites that I knew were B.S. so it discredits information which may actually be true. Because so much stuff out there about the Illuminati, for example, is on websites that rather overtly connect Illuminati to Jews, I went a long time thinking the Illuminati had never even existed. This is clearly wrong. I was quite shocked to see that not only did they exist, they were actually rather well known. So while promoting anti-Semitism on the one hand, such sites discredit that same information for others. <br><br>I was fascinated to see the Bill Donovan papers uncovered by Watchful Citizen. One tactic that was mentioned for propaganda was to set up a radio station or newspaper that appears to be supportive of the enemy agenda, but then take positions that are so extreme that this agenda is discredited in the eyes of the populace. As someone who likes games, I find this brilliant. But I hate to remind folks that WE are now the enemy and this tactic is being used on us.<br><br>Here's one area where I'm REALLY concerned about this: mind control/ ritual abuse.<br><br>Kathleen Sullivan (I believe it was her) suggests that many of the cults involved in this activity are "Aryan" cults, meaning fascist/racist Nazi like cults. This makes some sense, I suppose, given the rather bizarre occult undercurrent to Nazism...and Jeff has educated me about a lot of this stuff.<br><br>And we are talking about techniques of mind control and deeper "levels" of programming. I'm still having trouble wrapping my mind around all of this in terms of how far it has gone, but in general terms this stuff has been acknowledged by the CIA publicly, so it's there...no doubt.<br><br>So when people come on this site who share that have been victims of this type of abuse and start linking to very clearly anti-Semitic sites (I don't mean one that used "code" for Jews, I mean one that was quite overt as happened in another thread) or starts making generalizations about how Israel is the real culprit behind the scenes, this rings my alarm bells twice. What's going on here? Is this programming kicking in? Are some of the people who are responsible for their care pushing an agenda? <br><br>I would invite all of you who may find yourself feeling angry at this last paragraph to do some research. Go on the web and rather than looking for the most reputable sites, do searches like "mind control, jews" or and see what I mean. I'm not going to link to any sites directly as it will attract unwanted attention to us. But do the search yourself and wade through some of the 292,000 hits that will be returned. One of the first one's I clicked on was an article on David Icke's website reviewing the movie Nurenberg and, naturally, talking about how the Nazis didn't get a fair shake. I kid you not. Now do a search on "illuminati/jews". Same deal.<br><br>Notice how many of the sites are "conspiracy" sites. See how prominently anti-Jewish rhetoric is featured on some of these sites. In Icke's case, I don't find too much of that linked directly on his site, but when I do google searches I still find this kind of material available on his site but not linked from the front page. <br><br>So this topic is THOROUGHLY contaminated. That has nothing to do with its veracity, but it is why I keep saying that the SOURCE of information is as important as the information itself. <br><br>So go do this search yourself. And then ask yourself honestly, do I, deep down, believe the idea that the Jews are running these mind control cults? Or am I just not being careful in my research? <br><br>If the answer is the former, we have nothing to say to each other. But if it is the latter...PLEASE take some time to think about how you go about researching and interpreting information. Some of this material is simply crude/racist material but some of it is sophisticated disinformation. I think Jeff is an example of someone who does a good job of paying attention to where information comes from. That's why I come to this site. I think it's a good example for all of us.<br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
