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Re: Reverse Speech Experts prove Americans murdered Berg

Postby jingofever » Fri Oct 13, 2006 4:56 am

"the phenomenon of the beheadings seems to have stopped for no discernable reason"<br><br>It could have something to do with Zarqawi being killed. But actually the beheadings have not stopped. I still read about Iraqi corpses being found without heads. There just have not been any high profile beheadings lately and any "normal" beheadings are just "same old same old". <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Reverse Speech Experts prove Americans murdered Berg

Postby monster » Fri Oct 13, 2006 5:57 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I'm sure Freud would have cracked you up back in the 1800's with his theories of the subconscious too, monster. And they weren't teaching psychology in universities at that time either.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Reverse Speech and Psychology? Really? Seems like apples and oranges. <br><br>(I think I even said "I'm not judging the phenomenon")<br><br>But on second thought, "Reverse Speech Experts" wasn't actually funny. <br><br>Not compared to the word "prove". That's the funniest part. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Reverse Speech Experts prove Americans murdered Berg

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Fri Oct 13, 2006 5:59 am

Looks like pretty thick disinfo on 9/11 and other hot topics.<br>Here are Mr. Welch's 'reverse speech' revelations from listening to the 9/11 Omission Panel-<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.ken-welch.com/ReversedSpeech.html">www.ken-welch.com/ReversedSpeech.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Question: WHY DID THE 9/11 PERPETRATORS DO WHAT THEY DID?<br><br>I believe they feel                 <br>a sense of outrage         CHER DROPPED THE MISSILE         [about speaking:]<br>against the United States.         [about Cher:]         SHIT, NOW YOU TAKE IT<br>They identify,         A DAME         <br>uh,                 [about questioner:]<br>with uh the Palestinian                 WE TALKED ABOUT YOU<br>problem. They                 <br>They identify         A DATE         <br>uh                 <br>with                 NO (Perps do not identify with opposing repression...)<br>people who oppose         SHE WALKED OGLEBY         [answering the question:]<br>repressive                 GOOF US UP<br>uh, regimes                 TO MEASURE IRAQ<br>and I believe they                 W WAS SCOUTIN' IT<br>tend to focus                 TIP OFF THE NET<br>their anger on the                 ALREADY HAVE IT<br>IGNORE IT<br>United States.         YES (Anger focused on U.S.)         IT STANK<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Reverse Speech Experts prove Americans murdered Berg

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:08 am

Man, this is site is funny. One for my collection. Typical sewage salad and I'm not referring to the ecoli outbreak.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.ken-welch.com/index.html">www.ken-welch.com/index.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>In a world that makes no sense at all,<br>You must know what to focus on to see...<br>.....<br>RUSSIAN NUKE TRACED TO TEXAS<br><br>Read the report that saved a city. In late January a Russian-made nuclear weapon entered Galveston Bay aboard a non-descript freighter. Thanks to an intense effort <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>by reversed speech experts,</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> the involvement of the Bush administration and details including the Easter target date were revealed to the world - in time to stop disaster.<br>.....<br><br>White House Response to Nuke Bust<br><br>All hell broke loose at the White House when their false terror op was exposed. Listen to the response that had <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>the Reversed Speech Nuke Team</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> reviewing their security arrangements. If you're not sure the nuke was real, this will convince you. You'll also learn the reason behind a grotesque capitol charade that had everyone else completely baffled.<br>.....<br> THE GREAT 9-11 HOAX<br><br>Well wouldn't you just know it! Turns out those World Trade Center buildings were dynamited after all. Right there in front of God and CNN.<br><br>Listen in as Larry Silverstein, Osama bin Laden's right hand man in the Hoax of the Century, reveals his dirty little secret...<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong> in Reversed Speech. </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>.....<br>CURRENT EVENTS<br>AND<br>PROJECT STATUS<br><br>BUSH'S FAILED ARMEGEDDON PLOT!<br><br>NASA ENCOUNTER WITH ALIEN SPACECRAFT<br><br>BUSTING THE DISINFORMATION PUSHERS<br><br>NEW: MISSILE USED IN 9/11 ATTACKS<br><br>What really happened when Ken-Welch.Com went live?<br><br>Did we find the nuke ship? Photo tour: Port of Texas City.<br><br>Find out what <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>the RS Nuke team</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> is working on now.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Reverse Speech Experts prove Americans murdered Berg

Postby Avalon » Fri Oct 13, 2006 8:30 am

So if we've developed this ability, we receive it and understand what's being said in the reversals. Because we evolved the tape recorder in the past century to let us know what we'd always known. What would have been the point of being able to do it if we couldn't ever have understood it?<br><br>Welch says that normally people speaking in a foreign language reverse meanings in their own language. But 98% of this guy's reversals from the Arabic were in American English.<br><br>"There is really only one way this could happen and there are absolutely no exceptions to the rule. The man who killed Nick Berg, and was now calling himself Zarqawi, was one hundred percent American. His thoughts and mental processes continued in his native English while he read foreign sentences from the paper in front of him."<br><br>What a multi-tasker! <br><br>"Why had I not done this before? Just stupid, I guess! Brain dead!" Welch said it all. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Reverse Speech Experts prove Americans murdered Berg

Postby professorpan » Fri Oct 13, 2006 11:57 am

Utter bullshit.<br><br>Reminds me of the sweet old lady who studies EVP. She heard her husband talking to her through the television.<br><br>But the circumstances surrounding Berg's murder are very bizarre. He was like a parapolitical Zelig.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/5/15/22827/0477">www.kuro5hin.org/story/20...22827/0477</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>The "white chair" story suckered me in, too, until I realized those white plastic chairs are ubiquitous -- they are literally<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em> everywhere.<br></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br>I was trying to capture as much of the story as possible on my blog at the time -- there are still some good links on this page:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.charm.net/~profpan/2004_05_01_archive.html">www.charm.net/~profpan/20...chive.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Reverse Speech Experts prove Americans murdered Berg

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Fri Oct 13, 2006 2:57 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>But the circumstances surrounding Berg's murder are very bizarre. He was like a parapolitical Zelig.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Yup. Berg's life and death was common junction for many high-level government crimes involving lots of money.<br><br>Berg + Moussoui + Berg's computer?<br><br>Berg + Iraq telecommunications contracts?<br><br>Berg + repairing antennae at Abu Ghraib?<br><br>Berg + ghost prisoners in US judicial system computers?<br><br>Berg + false-flag beheading? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: NO! NO! NO!

Postby AlicetheCurious » Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:49 pm

The Berg beheading tape is bogus because:<br><br>1) The "Islamic extremist" Abu Musab al Zarqawi was wearing a gold ring, and Muslim men are prohibited from wearing gold;<br><br>2) The "Arabs" in the video spoke in a very odd accent, with alien inflections that marked them as foreigners;<br><br>2) Nick Berg was last known to be in American custody in Iraq, and indeed was wearing an orange jumpsuit in the video, such as those worn by prisoners in Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo;<br><br>3) The actual beheading did not result in the geiser of blood that would have occurred if he had been alive at the time;<br><br>4) There were serious anomalies in the video's soundtrack and timer;<br><br>5) The timing of the video release, and its shock value, served to deflect attention from world-wide shock and outrage from the Abu Ghraib torture photos that had just been released;<br><br>6) The terrorists were big, buff, and moved like marines, unlike any pictures of "Abu Musab al-Zarqawi" or indeed, of any insurgents seen since;<br><br>7) Their kaffiyehs were thrown haphazardly on their heads, as though by foreigners who don't know that there are specific ways that kaffiyeh's are draped to indicate regional and tribal affiliations.<br><br>I'm sure there's other stuff, but that's all I remember right now. This is not about a plastic chair, or about reverse speech.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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50 fishy things about the Berg story

Postby professorpan » Fri Oct 13, 2006 4:23 pm

This was a good summary, though it may be a little outdated:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/5/15/22827/0477">www.kuro5hin.org/story/20...22827/0477</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Reverse Speech Experts prove Americans murdered Berg

Postby AlanStrangis » Fri Oct 13, 2006 4:34 pm

And let's not forget the words from the horse's mouth...<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt, (the U.S. military's chief spokesman when the propaganda campaign began in 2004) had concluded that, "The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date."<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/09/AR2006040900890_pf.html">WaPo</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Fri Oct 13, 2006 4:50 pm

I'm very interested in the topic of 'reverse speech' also called 'backwards masking.'<br><br>This is either bogus science used for psy-ops or a suppressed technology and I think the former to discredit the very idea of subliminal media manipulation.<br><br>Wikipedia has an entry for it, of course -<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backward_message">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backward_message</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Backmasking (also incorrectly[1] known as backward masking) is an audio technique in which sounds are recorded backwards onto a track that is meant to be played forwards. Backmasking is a deliberate process, whereas a backward message may be unintentional. Backmasking has been a source of much controversy, especially related to supposed subliminal messages in rock music.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>So this 'reverse speech Saves America' disinfo website may actually be highlighting the very idea of 'backwards masking.' <br><br>Remember the joke about the guy with a covered wheelbarrow who every day goes out the palace gate after being checked by the guard?<br>One day the guard says "Every day there is nothing in your wheelbarrow when I look but I know you are stealing. What is it you're stealing?"<br><br>"Wheelbarrows."<br><br>'Backwards masking' was at the center of a big media court case involving the rock band Judas Priest and their CBS record label (CBS=CIA) vs the families of two young men who shot themselves one depressed Christmas season after listening to Judas Priest records that allegedly had subliminal messages on them.<br><br>The judge ordered that the master tapes of the record be turned over but they weren't. A specialist in subliminal messaging and the subconscious named Eldon Taylor who now sells self-help hypnotism tapes was an expert witness for the prosecution against CBS.<br><br>Taylor cites another court case about laws regarding subliminal messages that brought corporate heavies out of the wood work and suggests keen interest at elite levels of the media.<br><br>So I have many questions about this like -<br><br>Was this Judas Priest/CBS vs suicide kids case a show trial to draw attention to a sensationalist concept of media mind management and thereby protect all the other methods of mind control through pre-emptive discrediting of the topic? (Remember how Clinton's Whitewater saga protected him from Mena Airport.)<br><br>OR<br><br>Is the science of 'backwards masking' really cutting edge science around the integration of left brain/right brain functions suppressed to keep it as a tool of manipulation??<br><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=38769">www.roadrunnerrecords.com...emID=38769</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The JUDAS PRIEST Trial: 15 Years Later - July 1, 2005<br>Lenita Powers of the Reno Gazette-Journal has issued the following report:<br><br>Fifteen years ago, Reno became the focus of a high-profile lawsuit that charged the British heavy metal group JUDAS PRIEST with hiding subliminal messages in its music that led to the deaths of two fans.<br><br>As JUDAS PRIEST returns to perform tonight in Reno, those who took part in a courtroom drama that became the focus of international attention recalled the complex case that still generates calls from law students.<br><br>Other lawsuits at that time sought damages because of violent lyrics in music, but the JUDAS PRIEST case was one of the first to claim that subliminal messages hidden behind those lyrics caused the deaths of two young men.<br><br>"It was the first time there had been a judicial determination of whether subliminal messages were or were not protected speech under the First Amendment," former Washoe District Judge Jerry Whitehead said this week.<br><br>Whitehead, who heard the case after the lawyers agreed not to have the civil suit decided by a jury, ruled it was not.<br><br>"Because speech is basically the expression of thoughts and ideas that a person can reflect upon and accept or reject, but a subliminal message is a surreptitious attempt to influence the subconscious and, therefore, is not something you could reflect upon and accept or reject," he said.<br><br>His final decision: There was no conclusive evidence of subliminal messages, Whitehead dismissed the case against JUDAS PRIEST and its record company, CBS, in 1990.<br><br>The gruesome incident that gave rise to the case took place five years before the trial.<br><br>On Dec. 23, 1985, after an afternoon spent drinking beer, smoking marijuana and allegedly listening to music by JUDAS PRIEST for several hours, Raymond Belknap, 18, and his friend, James Vance, 20, went to a church playground in Sparks. There, Belknap put a 12-gauge shotgun under his chin and pulled the trigger, dying instantly. Vance tried to follow suit but, possibly because the weapon was slippery with blood, the shot blew away the lower half of his face. He survived, his face severely deformed.<br><br>Vance underwent more than 140 hours of surgery and lived in constant pain. Three years later, he slipped into a coma and died before the trial began, but not before he gave his version of what happened the day he and Belknap made their suicide pact.<br><br>"It was like a self-destruct that went off," he told a Reno Gazette-Journal reporter. "We had been programmed. I knew I was going to do it. I was afraid. I didn't want to die. It was just as if I had no choice."<br><br>At the time of his death, Vance left a 1-year-old daughter.<br><br>Members of Vance and Belknap's families could not be reached for comment this week.<br><br>At the heart of the lawsuit filed against the band was the claim that their "Stained Class" album's songs contained messages that, when played backwards, said "try suicide" and "let's be dead." Lawyers said it was the song "Better By You, Better Than Me" with its subliminal command of "do it, do it, do it" that pushed the two men over the line to end their troubled lives.<br><br>Lawyers on both sides trotted out audio experts who supported or debunked the existence of hidden messages in the songs.<br><br>Testifying for the defense was Anthony Pellicano, who previously analyzed the infamous 18-minute gap on President Richard Nixon's secret tapes of conversations in the White House. The private investigator to Hollywood stars and their lawyers more recently became the subject of an FBI probe for using illegal wiretaps and also was sentenced in 2003 to 30 months in federal prison for the illegally possessing hand grenades and the plastic explosive C-4.<br><br>"Our expert reverse-engineered the songs and said they were packed with subliminals in the lyrics," said Timothy Post, who represented Vance's estate. "(The defense) had Anthony Pellicano, who came in with his $2,000 suit and Italian loafers and he said, ‘No, that's just breath exhalation that sounds like the words do it,' and Whitehead bought it."<br><br>Post said he often heard people complain that it was ridiculous to blame JUDAS PRIEST and CBS for Belknap and Vance's decision to kill themselves.<br><br>"We weren't saying the band was some kind of Svengali who hypnotized them into doing this, but these two boys were in the suicide zone," Post said. "We never said they were Presbyterian Sunday school teachers, but they were up on the bridge teetering and JUDAS PRIEST said 'jump.' This was a product liability case, and they were putting hidden poison in their product."<br><br>Suellen Fulstone, the Reno lawyer who represented JUDAS PRIEST and CBS, said Belknap and Vance clearly were troubled young men, and it was the group's music that resulted in their deaths.<br><br>"I remember one of the terms I learned in the course of trying this case was the term 'dysfunctional family,'" she said.<br><br>The band, according to Fulstone, "felt bad for the family, but didn't feel they were in any way responsible for what happened."<br><br>Read the rest of the article at RGJ.com. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br><br>Here is one of Taylor's articles with an odd assortment of sources in his bibliography such as - <br>"International Society Of Peripheral Learning Specialists" ??<br><br>Is this all smelling very MK-ULTRA to anyone else?<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.progressiveawareness.org/articles/Thinking_Without_Thinking.html">www.progressiveawareness....nking.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>>snip<<br><br> The information presented in this chapter forces at least these few conclusions: Subliminals enjoy extensive use. Some people use subliminals without informing the public. These people deny using subliminals. These people work to convince the public that subliminals have no effect.<br><br>At least some popular performers incorporate subliminal messages in their work. At least some advertisers use subliminal content to sell. Some use a "hell-sell" psychology including systematic means designed to use subliminal information for manipulation.<br><br>Advertisers believe in subliminal efficacy strongly enough to send people to Utah from New York to protest a bill controlling it, or from Canada to Nevada to oppose a trial condemning it.<br><br>Is there a conspiracy? I do not believe we need to imagine conspiracy to explain anything described in this chapter. We only need to imagine different people doing what makes them comfortable. The next chapter explains why.<br><br>BIBLIOGRAPHY<br><br>National Research Council (1991) In The Minds Eye: Enhancing Human Performance. National Academy Press: Washington, D.C.<br><br>Begley, S. & Hager, M. (1991) Open Season On Science. Newsweek, December 16, 1991: p.65.<br><br>Dixon, N. (1991) Unconscious Perception: Possible Implications Of Data From Academic Research For Clinical Practices. Journal Of Nervous And Mental Disease, 179:243-252.<br><br>Hansen, G.P. (1992) CSICOP and the Skeptics: An Overview. Journal Of The American Society For Psychical Research, 86:19-63.<br><br>Key, W.B. (1973) Subliminal Seduction. Prentice Hall: Englewood Cliffs, NJ.<br><br>Key, W.B. (1976) Media Sexploitation. Prentice Hall: Englewood Cliffs, NJ.<br><br>Moore, T. (1982) Subliminal Advertising: What You See Is What You Get. Journal Of Marketing, 46: 38-47.<br><br>Moore, T.E. (1992) Subliminal Perception: Facts And Fallacies. Skeptical Inquirer, 16 (3):273-281.<br><br>Pratkanis, A. (1990) Trial transcripts of "Vance, J., Vance, E.J.R.,<br><br>Vance, P., Robertson, A. -vs- Judas Priest, CBS et al. Case No. 86-5844 and 86-3939.<br><br>Pratkanis, A.R. (1992) The Cargo-Cult Science Of Subliminal Persuasion. Skeptical Inquirer, 16 (3):pp 260-272.<br><br>Shulman, L.M., Shulman, J. & Rafferty, G.P. (1990) The New Channel To Personal Power. InfoBooks: Santa Monica, CA.<br><br>Swingle, P.G. (1991) Subliminal Treatment Procedures: A Clinician's Guide. Erlbaum: Hillsdale, N.J.<br><br>Tannenbaum, B. & Taylor, E. (1990) An Autopsy Of A Subliminal Stimulus. International Society Of Peripheral Learning Specialists, 1:2-7.<br><br>Taylor, E. (1987) Subliminal Technology. R K Book: Boulder City, NV.<br><br>Taylor, E. (1988) Subliminal Learning. R K Book: Boulder City, NV.<br><br>Taylor, E. (1990) Subliminal Communication. 2nd Edition. R K Book: Boulder City, NV.<br><br>Taylor, E., Sadana, R. & Bey, R.K. (1990) Peripheral Learning Via Subliminal Stimuli: Research Desk Reference. Progressive Awareness Research: Boulder City, NV.<br><br>Taylor, E. & Seidel, J. (1991) Marketing Study Heralded As A Behavioral Study By Four Psychologists. ISPLS Newsletter, 4:1-10.<br><br>Urban, M. (1992) Auditory Subliminal Stimulation: A Re-Examination. Journal of Perceptual and Motor Skills, 74:515-541.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>The poo-pooing over 'backmasking' has been transferred to other subliminal devices like brainwashing and Manchurian Candidates as this website reveals - <br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_cul5.htm">www.religioustolerance.org/chr_cul5.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>CHRISTIAN URBAN LEGENDS<br>Backmasking on records: Real, or hoax?<br>.....<br>History of subliminal advertising:<br><br>There have been four time periods in the U.S. when subliminal images or sounds were widely discussed in the media. Some have a spiritual or religious connection:<br>bullet At the beginning of the 20th century: The spiritual New Thought movement involved the concept that the human mind contains a hidden power that could improve one's well being if a person could properly tap into it.<br>bullet In the late 1950s: Subliminal ads superimposed on a movie. This coincided with a public belief in brainwashing and mind control, as popularized in the movie The Manchurian Candidate. Almost all mental health professionals have rejected the possibility of brainwashing and mind control. However, some groups in the anti-cult movement still believe that they are effective.<br>bullet In the 1970s: Subliminal sexual images superimposed on a print advertising (e.g. the word "sex" buried in the ice cubes of a Gilbey Gin ad). The rational is that the word would unconsciously arouse the reader and make the advertisement more memorable.<br>bullet Circa 1990: Subliminal self-help tapes. These may have become popular, in part, because of the New Age movement's interest in the potential of the human mind. Nine independent studies have failed to find these tapes effective.<br>bullet 1990: Judas Priest, a rock band, was on trial for allegedly placing a subliminal instruction "Do it" in one of their songs. 10 They were accused of triggering the suicide of Ray Belknap and the attempted suicide of James Vance. Judge Jerry Carr Whitehead ruled in favor of the band, saying: "The scientific research presented does not establish that subliminal stimuli, even if perceived, may precipitate conduct of this magnitude."<br><br>Repeatedly, the media report that subliminal effects have been tried, and proven successful. This is followed by less well reported accounts of subsequent unsuccessful attempts to replicate the results by independent researchers. Finally, material surfaces that debunks the original findings. Unfortunately most of the public appears to remember mainly the initial report. Thus, many conclude that subliminal advertising really works.<br><br>Perhaps the best known example was the "Eat Popcorn - Drink Coke" message that was flashed for one third of a millisecond every five seconds during the showing of the movie Picnic in Fort Lee, NJ in 1957. The duration of the message was so brief that nobody could sense its presence. Advertising expert James Vicary engineered the study. 45,699 patrons were involved. He reported that Coke sales increased 18% and popcorn scales went up by almost 58%. The study was well reported in the media. Reaction was swift: "The Federal Communications Commission immediately investigated the Vicary study and ruled that the use of subliminal messages [by radio and TV stations] could result in the loss of a broadcast license. The National Association of Broadcasters prohibited the use of subliminal advertising by its members. Australia and Britain banned subliminal advertising. A Nevada judge ruled that subliminal communications are not protected as free speech." 3 "Concerns about the nature of subliminal persuasion have been the subject of a United Nations resolution in 1974 4 and a hearing before the [House] Subcommittee on Transportation, 5 ...in 1984." 6<br><br>Vicary refused to release his data. Multiple attempts to replicate his study failed. 3<br><br>Belief in Satanically inspired backmasked messages continues today, mainly within the conservative Christian community.<br><br><br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>This all leads me to think that the topic of 'backmasking' is used to poison the well of belief about subliminal media manipulation. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hughmanateewins>Hugh Manatee Wins</A> at: 10/13/06 3:50 pm<br></i>
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Postby professorpan » Fri Oct 13, 2006 5:16 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>This all leads me to think that the topic of 'backmasking' is used to poison the well of belief about subliminal media manipulation.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Of course it does, Hugh. <p></p><i></i>
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Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Fri Oct 13, 2006 5:22 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Of course it does, Hugh.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>There is a long history of declaring rock music to be a threat to Civiilization with secret brainwashing agendas. The books 'Communism, Hypnotism, and the Beatles' plus 'Rythm, Riots, and Revolution' both claimed rock music and lefty folk music was a Soviet plot to destroy America from within through its youth.<br><br>This narrative changed in the 1970s to something America's youth scoffed at and would make a perfect vehicle for using the equivalent of UFOs in rock music to discredit the very idea of media manipulation in the minds of American youth.<br><br>This website shows this history of secret messages attributed to rock music - <br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.audiogalaxy.com/articles?a=64">www.audiogalaxy.com/articles?a=64</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>A Few Links<br>"Audio Reversal in Popular Culture" - <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.triplo.com/ev/reversal/index.html">www.triplo.com/ev/reversal/index.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>"Web Subliminal Resources" - <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://sbe.d.umn.edu/subliminal/webresources.html">sbe.d.umn.edu/subliminal/...urces.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>"The Backwards Masking Home Page" - <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://gruel.spc.uchicago.edu/Backmask/mask.shtml">gruel.spc.uchicago.edu/Ba...mask.shtml</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>"The Definitive Paul is Dead Website" - <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://users.worldweb.net/~ckbstill/">users.worldweb.net/~ckbstill/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>"Lessons from the Judas Priest Trial" - <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.csicop.org/si/9611/judas_priest.html">www.csicop.org/si/9611/judas_priest.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>"Led Zeppelin Backwards" - <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~jwopdyke/zeppelin.html">www-personal.engin.umich....pelin.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>"Sofanic Messages in Frank Zappa's Music Revealed" - <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.tiferet.com/sausage/">www.tiferet.com/sausage/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Will Robinson Sheff<br><br>Is Paul really dead? Doesn't it kind of make sense that the Eagles would be Satan's favorite band? Is that gum you like going to come back in style? Discuss.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br>Have you read this thread? --<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showMessage?topicID=6520.topic">p216.ezboard.com/frigorou...6520.topic</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>(CIA and the Media, by Carl Bernstein 10/20/77 Rolling Stone)<br><br>I posted a few interesting Victor Marchetti excerpts, too.<br><br>From that thread -<br>--------------------<br><br>Here's more 30 year-old CIA whistleblowing on that topic from former Executive Assistant to the Deputy Director of the CIA Victor Marchetti in his 1973 book 'The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence,' page 162 --<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Working on the Covert Action staff are sociologists, psychologists, historians, and media specialists - all skilled at selecting "reachable" targets</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, such as the youth or intellectuals of a particular country, and at getting a message through to them.<br><br>In planning and carrying out its activities, the branch often works closely with other agency officers in the area divisions.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Explaining how multiple CIA assets work together, Marchetti cites a January, 1968 speech given at the Council on Foreign Relations to CIA elite by one of the CIA's senior Clandestine Services officers, Richard Bissel, page 38 --<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Depending on the size and importance of a particular country, from one to scores of CIA case officers may operate there; together, their collective "assets" may number in the hundreds.<br>The planners of any operation will try to orchestrate the use of available assets so as to have the maximum possible effect.<br>Bissel:<br><br> <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>"Covert intervention is probably most effective in situations where a comprehensive effort is undertaken with a number of seperate operations designed to support and complement one another and to have a cumulatively significant effect."</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>----------------<br><br>"Of course it does, Hugh." Yup.<br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hughmanateewins>Hugh Manatee Wins</A> at: 10/13/06 3:41 pm<br></i>
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Postby professorpan » Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:50 pm

There is zero evidence that backward masking is anything other than a novelty. And subliminal behavior modification is something I've studied for a couple of decades. Subliminal imagery is much more likely to work, according to the limited evidence.<br><br>I read Marchetti's book a long time ago. An excellent book. However, whereas you assume that the CIA's collection of shrinks, behaviorists, sociologists, and media specialists wield enormous control over the entirety of the mass media, I don't. Would they like to have the kind of control you ascribe to them? Hell, yes. <br><br>But in reality, human beings aren't easily duped automatons. Some of them are, of course, and some propaganda campaigns are incredibly effective (Hill & Knowlton Kuwaiti incubator babies, Saddam's bioweapon labs and links to 9/11). But the counterweight to propaganda campaigns -- i.e. proponents of the truth -- also score points. The balance tilts back and forth.<br><br>You read the spook porn, such as Bissel's speech, and give them credit for attaining a monopoly on information and control, down to propagating camouflage clothing among the youth and coordinating displays of dog movies at chain stores. I don't see any evidence their powers are as omnipotent and vast as you allege -- hence my hoarse, annoying calls for evidence. Real evidence -- not assertions of what the spooks would like, circa the 1970s, but some quantifiable evidence that their powers are as vast as you believe. Not means, motive, opportunity, as you always reply, but real-life, objective data.<br><br>Ever listen to the gobbledygook coming from a CEO at a board meeting? The CEO will paint a brilliant, jargon-laden picture of the company, wowing the board members with the glorious deeds and future possibilities (cf Enron). They'll say the same shit even as they know the company is tanking and their employees' pensions have evaporated. <br><br>The spook/intel guys are the same. They need money, so they have to talk about how successful they are. In reality, they screw up as often as not. They're fallible. They are as dysfunctional as any organization, and top-heavy with incompetent paper-pushers and yes-men.<br><br>You seek evidence to prove the existence of a massive, micromanaged psyop against U.S. citizens. I have suggested (too many times to count) that you switch gears and seek to disprove your theory -- simply as a test. If you did that, I really believe you'd find the truth is much muddier, and the psyops much more limited and often unsuccessful. <br> <p></p><i></i>
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Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Fri Oct 13, 2006 7:20 pm

I really agree with many things in your post above with a few differences, as you might guess. <br>(Just got called out the door last minute so more later.) <p></p><i></i>
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