Johnny Gosch update

by **chiggerbit** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:05 pm

OK, so you must be referring to FourthBase's many posts on that page, I guess. And what is K.O.d.? Google shows: KOD - Knowledge on Demand KISS OF THE DRAGON Kings of Destruction Sorry, but I'm elderly, so please be patient with my lack of knowledge of current culture. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 9/4/06 9:06 pm

by **FourthBase** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:13 pm

Kiss of Death.

by **chiggerbit** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:21 pm

SoG?

by **rain** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:24 pm

LOL FB sorry, chiggers, just assumed most people would know that one and didn't want to spell it out cos strange convolutions can happen in the cyberspace echo chamber.

by **chiggerbit** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:30 pm

Son of Gaia or whatever?

by **chiggerbit** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:40 pm

Well, frankly, I've wondered if the timing is right for the person on the other end of the phone to have been this kod, on the audio tapes that the cops were supposed to have found, by search warrent(?), in John Gosh's tractor or whatever. Who, or what, the heck was Noreen's husband audio taping? Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 9/4/06 9:42 pm

by **juno jones** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:20 am

OK, so far we've got at least one kid in Arizona, and two in DesMoines all kidnapped while delivering papers, all within three years...do we have maybe a partial MO? Are there more paperboy kidnappings in those years? I heard about Gosch and the other in Iowa because I lived fairly nearby at the time, but never heard about the one in Arizona...of course news was far more regional in those days, I wonder what other stories like this never went national and sank into oblivion? The fact that the pictures show multiple children is certainly indicative of a 'ring' operating. The pictures prove that this was NOT an isolated incident (which until 'meeting' Jeff and you all here awhile back, I had always assumed, well, felt more comfortable assuming given the evidence I had..). Your point is well taken, Et. I have three sons and this subject doesn't make me comfortable at all. However, I don't consider serious speculation to be abusive or exploitative of the victims. To me exploitation is what happened after the 'JonBenet' thing back when, with that artificially painted child's face staring out plaintively at me from those tabloid covers for the next 12-18 months. Couldn't get into a grocery line without looking at her- does she sell magazines or what?...And I wonder about that as well, How much of the media frenzy was a 'hide in plain sight' tactic? keep it in the tabloids, focus on the unbalanced mom living thru her little dress-up doll, don't look at the shadier dealings going on behind the curtain... After which treatment, most intelligent people are going to dismiss these cases as trivial, even shut down their discussion. Personally, I tuned out on both Gosch and Jon Benet for many years because of their plights being brandished in an exploitative or tabloid fashion. Now I'm discovering that there was a lot more to their stories, and it's changing my perspective of a lot of things, some of which we discuss here. Having this evidence in front of me has made a difference.... Now I do wish it had been left to our respective choices on whether or not to view the pics. I was a little dismayed to see them all over whether I wanted 'em in my face or not, I personally don't seek out that sort of thing. But who knows? Good may even come of that if the other kids are identified (or any other clues gleaned from them)...

by **streeb** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:12 am

Chigger - I think k.o.d. is kiss of death, which describes Gunderson to a 'T'. This has been an incredible couple of days. Son of Gaia's friend 'Roy' is spooning up some of the worst amateur hour disinfo I've ever seen on the crimeblog.us comment section about Gosch, and I'm hardly the sharpest guy around when it comes to spotting that stuff. But he's getting scuffed for sure. There's seems to be an awakening going on.

by **El Tedo** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:44 am

et in Arcadia ego <blockquote>Quote:<hr>You've gotta be fucking kidding me, man.. I'll be second in line for honesty and call you out for being a complete ass. This 'story' revolves around EXPLOITED CHILDREN, and I don't like it AT ALL. I don't know if you have a child or not, but I do, and picturing her laying on that bed gagged and bound makes me want to rip someone's fucking face off..<hr></blockquote> Whoa brutha! You have some anger management issues! But seriously, thanks for clarifying your Anti-Child Exploitation stance; I'm sure it's an issue that many of us are on the fence about. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Last time I checked, these child abduction/SRA/RA discussions at RI aren't here for getting people off that "like bizarre mysteries", it's about trying to get to the bottom of the shittiest, nastiest, human filth and predation I've ever come across and it makes me fucking sick inside to know that people are capable and willing to do the things we've discussed, and it makes me even sicker to think that someone's willing to slap a price tag on what's happened to these kids even if it IS intended eventually for an organization..<hr></blockquote> If its not about the story, the intrigue, or the mystery; then what's left for you except for the nasty, perverted details which evidently stir such a righteous rage within you? <blockquote>Quote:<hr>So how about this: Let's not address the Rigorous Intuition board discussions as a nearly transparent source of masturbatory gratification, ok? And Let's not say "let's" in association with me, cause you don't get to determine where my moral compass points, got it?<hr></blockquote> I just think that some people (you being the most agressive) are in denial about what they are engaging in here. The "child abduction/SRA/RA" discussions on RI chiefly involve morbid voyeurism and arm-chair sleuthing (regardless of the high-mindedness and good intentions that some bring to the table)-- and there's nothing wrong with that, so why pretend its something other than a hobby? Its not a mission, its nothing new (its been going on since Jack the Ripper), and there's no need to moralize it. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>And Kris, don't take it personal that I'm disgusted by even the concept of your book(actually I don't care if you do or not, tbh), it's more an indictment of our society as a whole as opposed to you specifically that people need to shell out cash in any format whether digital, paper, or hardback to learn of these things in the first place. If our Society wasn't totally fucked to begin with there'd be no place for Monsters, those that seek to profit by them, or assholes who stick up for either of the two.<hr></blockquote> At what point does discussing these crimes become such an outrage to you? Only when someone studies it at a professional level- and requires financing? Your obsessing over it is righteous and pure, but if a professional writer wants to write a book about it he's suddenly a "monster" destroying society? I don't get your logic. Sorry to go off topic... but "et in Arcadia ego's" little rant was less than civil and needed to be addressed. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=eltedo@rigorousintuition>El Tedo</A> at: 9/5/06 12:46 am

by **Et in Arcadia ego** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:05 am

edit: useless sarcasm that does the discussions no good. ____________________ Some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=etinarcadiaego@rigorousintuition>et in Arcadia ego</A> <IMG HEIGHT=10 WIDTH=10 SRC="http://www.sickle666.com/images/Arcadia.jpg" BORDER=0> at: 9/5/06 11:36 am

by **phineas** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:31 am

ahem... anyway- welcome, Kris "Good work" on your Boodle Boys blog, btw. <a href="http://boodleboys.blogspot.com/" target="top">boodleboys.blogspot.com/</a> (I have received no money for my blatant, gratuitous plug) Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=phineas@rigorousintuition>phineas</A> at: 9/5/06 2:14 am

by **FourthBase** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:58 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>The "child abduction/SRA/RA" discussions on RI chiefly involve morbid voyeurism and arm-chair sleuthing (regardless of the high-mindedness and good intentions that some bring to the table)-- and there's nothing wrong with that, so why pretend its something other than a hobby?<hr></blockquote> Because if you have dozens or hundreds or thousands of people arm-chair sleuthing, that "hobby" might help solve a case. #1 - Professional investigators have only so much time to devote to analyzing any individual case, having amateur sleuths brainstorming can only help. #2 - Some of the professionals in charge of investigating a case may be corrupt or lazy, and unwilling to do their jobs. #3 - Some of the amateur sleuthes might have personal connections that can create leads, or lead to leads -- leads that can either confirm or deny certain evidence or a particular theory.

by **FourthBase** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 4:17 am

Interesting stuff on crimeblog comments: <a href="http://crimeblog.us/?p=80#comments">crimeblog.us/?p=80#comments</a> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Dana wrote: Reading this has brought back a rush of sickening memories of my days living in Bellevue, Nebraska during the time that John Joseph Joubert was killing young boys that he snatched off the streets in the early morning hours. Christopher Walden was walking to school. Danny Joe Eberle was on a paper route. Sound familiar? Joubert was later convicted of a third murder in Portland, Maine. That murder happened in August, 1982. I do not remember the date that Joubert first came to be stationed at Offutt AFB in Bellevue, but it bears a second look. Gosch fits the physical description of Joubert’s other victims, and Des Moines is only a two hour drive on I-80 from Bellevue. If you are so inclined to check into Joubert’s story, please excuse any mistakes I have made in dates. I am working strictly from memory. I briefly considered attemting a little research of my own, but I don’t think I have the stomach for it. Joubert was put to death in July, 1996. Posted on 02-Sep-06 at 1:38 am | Permalink<hr></blockquote> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Anything that might substantiate the Offutt thing? <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Roy Harrold wrote: It seems possible to me that someone found a series of such photos on one of those Google groups sites you once talked about, and sent them out anonymously to the conspiracy pushers - perhaps believing they’d stumbled upon proof of the conspiracy allegations.<hr></blockquote> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Despite clear reporting of the photos being physical Polaroids. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Roy Harrold wrote: JG - I think that Conspiracy of Silence is pretty slick, but typical of a genre I’m very familiar with. Robin Gaison & I worked with Kerr Cuhulain and his group during the Satanic Panic, and I also worked with Detectives Montgomery & Roberts of the Integrated Intelligence Unit (joint EPD and RCMP unit) during that time.<hr></blockquote> W. T. F. Harrold & Gaison = Spooks? Perps? <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Roy Harrold wrote: I have no doubt that the whole “Conspiracy of Silence/ Franklin cover-up” nonsense is being exploited by Jihadists to inflame hatred of Americans throughout the Arab world. In a sense, the conspiracy theorists may be giving a kind of “aid & comfort to the enemy”<hr></blockquote> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Wolfhound wrote: I could go on about this subject, as it is very near and dear to my heart. Johnny Gosch was/is only a few years older than me, and we both grew up in the same town. I was a paper carrier for the des moines register around the same time he was abducted. So this has been a story that has interested me ever since I was a kid. I don’t ever remeber his father on television, but his mother was definately there.<hr></blockquote> Someone posted this: <a href="http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/powertoharm/">seattlepi.nwsource.com/powertoharm/</a> Obviously, my default reaction is "Allegations = true". Have we covered Wenatchee here before? Also, the book "Race to Evil" appears to be bogus: <a href="http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/14897513.htm">www.charlotte.com/mld/cha...897513.htm</a> That one was posted by Roy Harrold. So was this, a debunker article about a SRA conference: <a href="http://www.csicop.org/si/9609/conspiracy.html">www.csicop.org/si/9609/conspiracy.html</a> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Suziq wrote: Becky and JG and everyone else today, you have provided alot of info! I’ll have to play catch up tonight. Just wanted to let you guys know that the design on the arm of the shirt that Johnny is wearing was just bugging me to no end. I knew I had seen that before and then it hit me! It’s a Fox Racing logo. I use to hang out with a bunch of dirt bikers years back. Here’s a link to their website. <a href="http://tinyurl.com/l8bul">tinyurl.com/l8bul</a> Posted on 03-Sep-06 at 7:17 pm | Permalink<hr></blockquote> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ That could be a major lead in identifying the time/location/boys. www.zephreport.com/?select=squib&league=thefringe&post_id=21 008&docket=1 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ A reminder about George Bishop's role (<a href="http://www.post-gazette.com/nation/20020410childporn0410p3.asp">www.post-gazette.com/nati...0410p3.asp</a> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ A reminder about scumbag Ken Lanning Posted by me, not posted on crimeblog comments) <blockquote>Quote:<hr>JG wrote: To me, the Gannon wrinkle was a message. I believe the new photos have the same purpose. We’re merely gawkers. This is a possibility that’s being discussed at the Rigorous Intuition board, where the chatter is always a lot more rational and erudite than most people assume. It’s also riddled with spooks, which might indicate how on-the-money it can be.<hr></blockquote> Roy Harrold posted another interesting albeit debunk-centric link (edit: published in f***ing Underwager's journal! <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/sick.gif ALT=":x"> ), regarding the recent history of law enforcement and child porn: <a href="http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume4/j4_2_1.htm">www.ipt-forensics.com/jou...j4_2_1.htm</a> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Roy Harrold wrote: JG - I don’t want to go through the proofs of the fraudulence involved in the McMartin thing, again. I did get my files out, to answer Emerson’s question, but please understand that I worked on these things for a decade (1984-1994) and I’m really sick of going over them again & again & again. For now, let’s just say this about “the tunnels” - GUNDERSON. The tunnels fantasy is all Gunderson, he invented them. Isn’t that enough? (There’s more, of course, but really…do we have to?)<hr></blockquote> ^^^^^^^^^^^^ Evasion. I hope this douche wasn't actually a cop. Wow, and then Roy and his ilk are completely pwned by JG's posting of the RI McMartin link. That was one of the most riveting "blog comment" sections I've ever read. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=fourthbase>FourthBase</A> at: 9/5/06 2:18 am

by **sunny** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:24 am

For the debunker: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Roy Harrold wrote: JG - I don’t want to go through the proofs of the fraudulence involved in the McMartin thing, again. I did get my files out, to answer Emerson’s question, but please understand that I worked on these things for a decade (1984-1994) and I’m really sick of going over them again & again & again. For now, let’s just say this about “the tunnels” - GUNDERSON. The tunnels fantasy is all Gunderson, he invented them. Isn’t that enough? (There’s more, of course, but really…do we have to?)<hr></blockquote> <a href="http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/Pedophocracy/child_sexual_abuse_at_McMartin_pre-school.htm">www.the7thfire.com/Politi...school.htm</a> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>The project unearthed not one but two tunnel complexes as well as previously unrecognized structural features which defied logical explanation. Both tunnel complexes conformed to locations and functional descriptions established by children's reports. One had been described as providing undetected access to an adjacent building on the east. The other provided outside access under the west wall of the building and contained within it an enlarged, cavernous artifact corresponding to children's descriptions of a ‘secret room.’ Both the contour signature of the walls and the nature of recovered artifacts indicated that the tunnels had been dug by hand under the concrete slab floor after the construction of the building... Not only did the discovered features fulfill the research prequalifications as tunnels designed for human traffic, there was also no alternative or natural explanation for the presence of such features... If the stories of the children were bogus fantasies, there is no excuse for the tunnels discovered under the school. If there really were tunnels, there is no excuse for the glib dismissal of any and all of the complaints of the children and their parents.<hr></blockquote> ( Stickel, E. Gary, Ph.D. “Archaeological Investigations of the McMartin Preschool Site, Manhattan Beach, California” (unpublished report of investigation)

by **FourthBase** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:33 am

Unpublished report? Why has it gone unpublished?

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