Johnny Gosch update

by **johnny nemo** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:29 pm

First this, from over at <a href="http://crimeblog.us/?p=80#comments">crimeblog.us/?p=80#comments</a> “I have no doubt that the whole “Conspiracy of Silence/ Franklin cover-up” nonsense is being exploited by Jihadists to inflame hatred of Americans throughout the Arab world. In a sense, the conspiracy theorists may be giving a kind of “aid & comfort to the enemy” And now his apocryphal pub story, all designed to make us repent for being foolish enough to believe in SRA. Roy claims that SRA, isn't real and that it's part of the "satanic panic" of the 70s and 80s. What Roy doesn't say, is that people have been convicted of Satanic Ritual Abuse for over 550 years. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gille_de_Rais">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gille_de_Rais</a> According to surviving accounts, Rais lured children, but mainly young boys who were blond haired and blue eyed, as he had been as a child, to his residences, and raped, tortured and mutilated them, often masturbating over the dying victim. He and his accomplices would then set up the severed heads of the children in order to judge which was the most fair. The precise number of Rais's infanticides is not known, as most of the bodies were burned or buried. The number of murders is generally placed between 80 and 200; a few have conjectured numbers upwards of 600. The victims ranged in age from six to eighteen and included both sexes; although Rais preferred boys, he would make do with young girls if circumstances required. <a href="http://vampires.monstrous.com/gilles_de_rais_alias_blue_bear.htm">vampires.monstrous.com/gi...e_bear.htm</a> Gilles was advised that his only way of learning to make gold was to agree to sell his soul to the Devil. At that time, it was taken for granted that "magic" was performed through the agency of the Devil, the ancient tradition of "white magic" having long ago been stamped out by the church. Now in spite of his taste for killing children, Gilles remained a devout Catholic; so deciding to invoke the Devil must have seemed a far more frightening step than murder. But finally, he and his cousin Gilles de Sille locked themselves in the basement of his castle at Tiffauges, together with a magician, and prepared to converse with demons. In 1439, he sent the priest Blanchet to Italy to search for a more skilled magician; Blanchet returned with a "clerk in minor orders" called François Prelati, a young man of great charm-- Prelati told him that they would have to offer a child's blood and parts of its body as a sacrifice to the Devil; there was no problem about this, and Gilles hastened to sodomize and murder another young boy.  So there you go....a factual historical account of Satanic Ritual Abuse, including a group of conspirators hiding the bodies and evidence (as mentioned in the full articles on both sites). It's too bad that you weren't in the courtroom, to tell everyone how they were aiding the enemies of France by believing it.

by **juno jones** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 4:41 pm

Gilles De Rais was more than just a nobleman, he was a national hero at the time for having helped restore the french monarchy along with the better known Jeanne D'Arc...

by **blanc** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 5:01 pm

the first people I told, were friends. extremely ordinary people. they listened and believed. one said, its you telling me, I believe. I understood that, it meant that pragmatic, boring feet of clay person known well for 20 years, was not making this s**t up. certain officials, and a govt minister, who do not know me and haven't heard the whole story, or even a reasonable part of it, but who do have an agenda, have effectively called me a fantasist. how many of those who don't believe in the existence of r.a. have ever listened to the testimony of a survivor? its easy to ignore what you don't know. the importance of these organised abuse matters in the case of missing children, is, to state the obvious, to try to get something done. it can't be so hard, for a govt which says it traced the phone call instructing the terrorists of 9.11, to trace the much more obvious child traffickers. nb Prof Jean La Fontaine, whose report was used to rubbish survivors and their supporters, did not listen to the testimony of a single survivor. In her earlier work, she said 'believe the child' - but that was before being paid by govt. a considerable sum to produce a report which was at odds with the findings of, for example, a scotland yard report on same subject. sw keep on healing in your own time. love to the child that was you

by **Et in Arcadia ego** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 8:49 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>I think that Roy is much like those I encountered in the second group. As I said before, he protests too much.<hr></blockquote> * I'd like advise regular RI members, particularly survivors, to stand aside and avoid the rest of my post, as it's directed straight at our new member, Mr Harrold. * __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ Some years back, I became aquainted with a textbook Nymphomaniac, and I mean one that just about every guy around knew about and took advantage of. There was a very brief sexual involvement between us, but I was more interested in understanding how this person ticked(keep in mind that at the begining, I had no idea of any of these things about her). After a time, I gently confronted her about all of it, and this was what she told me(It's not verbattum, but close enough): She said that when she was a pre-adolescent, her mother's boyfriend started raping her. Constantly. Her mother knew what was going on, but did nothing to stop it. This persisted for several years. Eventually, she ended up living with her father, which was where she was staying when we met. She told me me that this man raped her so constantly and so aggressively that the results were eventually she became addicted to the act(Some of the only actual words of hers I remember without a doubt were the scariest: "He fucked me until I fell in love with being raped by him") and later, it became the only way she was able to be sexually stimulated as a young adult. With this person out of the picture due to her move, she sought others to take this man's place(I was one of them, until I realized how damaged she was). She explained all this to me in the same manner as a person describing their favorite kind of music. I had difficulties hiding my revulsion when I realized that she was using me to re-enact these scenarios with her original rapist(asking me to hit her, etc), and we very soon after ceased talking to one another. Now...I'm telling you this story because contextually, I'd like you to understand where I'm coming from when I ask you two important questions: A - Do you see how a person like the young woman above could have evolved from involuntarily being someone else's victim to becoming her own? and B - Did something of this nature this happen to you? Because there's something very wrong with you, and these people aren't silly ignorants that you're going to come in here and push around, mock, or try to invalidate like you have in other places.. ____________________ Some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.

by **biaothanatoi** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:48 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>When the name Johnny Gosch comes up, people should think about the fact that a 12 year boy is missing - not all this other stuff.<hr></blockquote> Explain to me how you came to to hold the contradictory position that Paul Bonacci's testimony is true (you are publicly advocating his imprisonment on the basis of his admission of his involvement as a minor in the abductin of Gosch) and that Paul Bonacci's testimony is false (you are publicy denying the likelihood of the events that make up the rest of Bonacci's testimony). If you do not feel that your position is contradictory, can you please explain to us how/why Bonacci, at the age of 15, kidnapped Johnny Gosch, if his own explanation of this event is false? Of course, you'll need to account for the appearance of two other bound, gagged children that we see alongside Gosch in the photos delivered to Noreen only a few weeks ago. Is it your contention that Bonacci, at the age of 15, kidnapped all three boys, bound them, photographed them, branded them, and ... ? If you cannot provide a coherent account of these events, with Bonacci as the 15-year-old kidnapping Machiavelli, then it is only logical that you would withdraw your blog post advocating for the imprisonment of Paul Bonacci.

by **chiggerbit** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:36 pm

If you do not feel that your position is contradictory, can you please explain to us how/why Bonacci, at the age of 15, kidnapped Johnny Gosch, if his own explanation of this event is false? Again, Roy, the key question here, in my mind, is whether Bonacci was a victim of coersion. If you accept that his testimony was correct when he said that he participated in Gosh's kidnapping, then you also have to accept that hanging a kid from an airplane by his feet in a rope is...coersion. I've already mentioned earlier that the "age of consent" in most states seems to be 16. However, other considerations by definition in statute in various states can modify whether the person is a victim, regardless of age. This can include whether the lead perpetrators take advantage of some sort of handicapping situation, such as low IQ or ,say for instance, a DID condition, which makes that person vulnerable. I would say that it is possible that Bonacci qualifies as a victim on all definitions. Of course, it all depends on the state. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 9/12/06 9:13 pm

by **stackdag** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:41 am

"Some people (not accusing anyone here) have gone out of their way to ensure that anytime missing child Johnny Gosch's name comes up - people's attention will immediately be re-directed to other things that have no PROVEN connection to this boy. There is no evidence that Larry King was involved in Gosch's KIDNAPPING, there is no evidence that Citron was involved, or Baer..." If Bonacci is telling the truth, there is a definite connection. Maybe it's not "PROVEN", but for some reason when a Judge ruled that Bonacci was TRUTHFUL in 1999, Noreen was disallowed from using that ruling in her son's case. Now how does that make any sense? Gosch's involvement in the Franklin case was also verified by Rusty Nelson. "More than anything, they were upset that anyone would exploit the tragedy of a missing child to promote something other than the tragedy of missing children." How is it "exploiting the tradgedy when the missing child's own Mother knows these things are connected to her son's kidnapping? Noreen has said herself that she not only wants her son back, but also wants to expose the ring of elite pedophiles she knows were involved in his dissapearance. According to her knowledge those are the criminals that took her son, and those criminals that should be prosecuted for their crimes. Period, end of story. You're wrong. I suggest you go back to the pub and plan you're little lynchings, because obviously you're world has been so shattered by this information that you must resort to violence.

by **FourthBase** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:32 am

Someone on Websleuths asked: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Wasn't there some place in Colorado... a fairly large mansion... owned by someone who was well connected? It's been awhile since I did my research so I've forgotten some of the details... but it does seem like there was a lady in question who had a large, large home somewhere in Colorado that was of questionable repute. Does this ring a bell with anyone?<hr></blockquote> I swear I'd read about it on RI. Anyone remember?

by **Gouda** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:46 am

4thBase: This I think, from Alex Constantine's "The JonBenet Ramsey Case: Emerging Child Sex-Ring Allegations, Political Connections and a Suspect" (might need to scroll around to find it.) <blockquote>Quote:<hr>C) The Prime of Ms Tweet Kimball Another connection to Paul Schultz was the late Mildred "Tweet" Kimball. Tweet lived in a castle on US 85, just south of Denver in a small town called Sedalia. Nicholas Schultz states that he was taken to the castle and molested there by adults.<hr></blockquote> <a href="http://www.newsmakingnews.com/archive4,24,4,29,00.htm#Introduction:%20The%20Belinda%20Schultz%20file">www.newsmakingnews.com/ar...ltz%20file</a>

by **Rigorous Intuition** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:55 am

Tipster: Photos could not be Johnny Gosch By LEE ROOD REGISTER STAFF WRITER September 13, 2006 A Florida investigator is helping West Des Moines police track the origins of photos that some believed might have been Johnny Gosch, an Iowa youth who disappeared at age 12 in 1982. West Des Moines police say an anonymous tipster alleged the photos that were sent to Gosch's mother and others close to the abduction case early this month really dated back to the late 1970s. The photos were investigated at that time by the Hillsboro County Sheriff's office. A retired Hillsboro County investigator is helping police determine if the photos were the same as those investigated in the 1970s, according to Jeff Miller, a spokesman for West Des Moines police. <a href="http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060913/NEWS/60913010/1001">desmoinesregister.com</a>

by **FourthBase** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:20 pm

I wouldn't be shocked if the colored photo didn't involve Gosch and was actually from the late 70's...But he's saying both photos are were investigated in the late 70's? <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes">

by **Rigorous Intuition** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:36 pm

"he's saying both photos are were investigated in the late 70's?" Seems to suggest that. From another story this morning: West Des Moines police are working with retired Hillsboro County investigator, Nelson Zalva, to determine whether the photos were the same that were investigated in the 1970s, the release said. NewsChannel 8 talked to Zalva, who said he investigated a case in either 1978 or 1979 with similar pictures and all the people in the photos were identified at that time. The sheriff's department is searching through microfilm to find the case. Zalva said that once they find the police report, it should put it to rest whether the new photos are of Gosch. <a href="http://www.kcci.com/news/9838570/detail.html">www.kcci.com</a> Zalva sounds unsure of himself. Can't remember the year? And the pictures were "similar"? Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=rigorousintuition>Rigorous Intuition</A> at: 9/13/06 10:38 am

by **FourthBase** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:53 pm

This guy is dubious.

by **FourthBase** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 1:00 pm

MSNBC is going to cover the Gosch photos soon. Not sure how soon, but they said "coming up soon".

by **Comfortably Numb** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:03 am

The photos of bound and gagged boys that were sent to an Iowa woman whose son disappeared 24 years ago were investigated in the late 1970s and are not her missing son, a retired Florida sheriff’s investigator said Wednesday. <a href="http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14818169/?GT1=8506">msnbc</a>

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