from ritual murder to Bechtel to SDI?

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from ritual murder to Bechtel to SDI?

Postby Jeff » Wed Sep 05, 2007 4:06 pm

From a seven-year old interview with Alex Constantine.

I know the context called for that, but I hate that he just throws this out and leaves it hanging there. I want to hear more about what "Eddy" had to say.

BTW, the torso of "John Doe, 60" illustrates the cover of David McGowan's Programmed to Kill.


1. What got you interested in conspiracies?

My interest in fascist conspiracies, to be specific, began about 12 years ago. I was the proverbial academic nabob engaged in writing plays and short stories, also book, film and television reviews for publications in southern California. I frowned at any claims of political conspiracies. But back in Ohio I had run an alternative newspaper in a blighted urban area, where I had written hard news stories about police abuse, urban renewal and gentrification, redlining by the insurance companies and such, and craved an opportunity to cover a story with some substance as news. So I flew up to San Francisco and covered the John Doe 60 trial. This was not exactly your workaday murder case. It involved the kidnap and cannibalizing of a homeless man by a couple of SF satanists. One of them had a swastika tattoo on his face. The other, Cliff St. Joseph, was a waiter. Together, they had abducted "John Doe 60," took him to St. Joseph's apartment, strapped him down, pumped him full of narcotics and proceeded to carve on him all night long. They cut a pentagram into his chest, ate one of his testicles, and tortured him with knives until he bled to death. The body was left under a truck parked south of Market. All of this, of course, was repulsive, led me to ponder how anyone could sink so low as to commit this atrocity. I interviewed the lead witness; a 20-year-old kid named Eddy, over the course of three days. Eddy informed me that there were some 22 members of this satanic cult, including police officers and some very wealthy people living across the Bay. One of the cultists involved with St. Joseph worked for the Bechtel Corp. There were ties to SDI and the Reagan White House. How could this be? What did these killers have to do with Republican politicians? Moreover, Eddy told me that he'd been whisked off the street one day by a CIA agent, and held for three days of questioning. I returned to Los Angeles, shaped my trial notes into a story. It appeared in the LA Weekly. But I was not done with this atrocity and its attendant leads. CIA? Reagan? Star Wars? Mind Control? What the Hell was going on? I was obsessed and had to have some answers. I began buying newspapers from around the world, calling reporters and investigators, searching for relevant information and to my surprise it existed. My nagging curiosity regarding satanism led me to mind control and fascism.
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Postby theeKultleeder » Wed Sep 05, 2007 4:19 pm

Why don't you just ask him?
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Postby Jeff » Wed Sep 05, 2007 4:35 pm

theeKultleeder wrote:Why don't you just ask him?


But why do that, when I can complain ineffectually?

Okay, I think I will.
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Postby theeKultleeder » Wed Sep 05, 2007 4:50 pm

While we're on the subject, AC is much more approachable than, say, a Chomsky. I noticed on his blog he likes informed questions and takes pains to answer them thoroughly. His ego seems to interfere a bit, but all this creepy stuff might put one on the defensive.

I got Chomsky's Necessary Illusions: Thought Control in Democratic Societies on a whim. It left me hungering for more, and I ended up buying Psychic Dictatorship in the USA. This was years ago (about a decade). Now I communicate with people like him, and you - ain't the 'net wonderful...
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Postby Doodad » Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:16 pm

The thing about Satanists of this variety is that they are usually are simply run of the mill scumbags who lie like rugs, same as any sociopath. Usually there is a charismatic leader(s) who tells lies to his sheep who then repeat the lies as gospel. Naturally, there will be some truth injected with the lies and the truth will be what the sheep witness while the lies will be what they are told but never have witnessed for themselves.

That there are other types of Satanists who behave very differently but just as viciously is extremely likely just so you know that I don't reject this out of hand. I wouldn't be able to.
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Postby theeKultleeder » Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:45 pm

Doodad wrote:The thing about Satanists of this variety is that they are usually are simply run of the mill scumbags who lie like rugs, same as any sociopath. Usually there is a charismatic leader(s) who tells lies to his sheep who then repeat the lies as gospel. Naturally, there will be some truth injected with the lies and the truth will be what the sheep witness while the lies will be what they are told but never have witnessed for themselves.

That there are other types of Satanists who behave very differently but just as viciously is extremely likely just so you know that I don't reject this out of hand. I wouldn't be able to.


We're not talking about Anton LaVey Halloween costume nerds. Google Satanic Ritual Abuse (SRA) and Michael Aquino (The Greenbaum or "Greenbomb" document is a good one, too). Or do a search here on the board. And have a barf bag nearby.
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Postby Doodad » Wed Sep 05, 2007 11:46 pm

theeKultleeder wrote:
Doodad wrote:The thing about Satanists of this variety is that they are usually are simply run of the mill scumbags who lie like rugs, same as any sociopath. Usually there is a charismatic leader(s) who tells lies to his sheep who then repeat the lies as gospel. Naturally, there will be some truth injected with the lies and the truth will be what the sheep witness while the lies will be what they are told but never have witnessed for themselves.

That there are other types of Satanists who behave very differently but just as viciously is extremely likely just so you know that I don't reject this out of hand. I wouldn't be able to.


We're not talking about Anton LaVey Halloween costume nerds. Google Satanic Ritual Abuse (SRA) and Michael Aquino (The Greenbaum or "Greenbomb" document is a good one, too). Or do a search here on the board. And have a barf bag nearby.


Oh believe me I know about it; hence, my recognition that there "are other types of Satanists who behave very differently but just as viciously." I have met a few, worked with a few in a professional capacity and maintained contact with a few SRA survivors I have come to know over the years.

My point was that the ones you end up hearing about are simply the tip of the iceberg, the dispensable ones, as far as I can tell.
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