The Water Engine & other wishful thinking

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Re: slim

Postby cortez » Tue Nov 15, 2005 4:38 am

slim<br><br>sorry, I never usually explain anything in any sort of detail.<br><br>The problem so far with water electrolysis has been, that worst case scenario you use 300% more energy in than you get out in hydrogen. Conventional electrolysis also heats up the water , and requires a catalyst added for stability.<br><br>Most of these links I had provided are using unconventional techniques in which they claim to achieve more hydrogen output than electrical energy input (over unity in a sense) , and of course most of this has been shrugged off as bullshit by mainstream science. I am sure there have been many claims and frauds in the mix but as we can see, in other areas close attention is required, because if any one of these claims is true it is a very big deal. Knowing that the oil companies out there are normally thinking of the common good... I personally assume there is more to these inventors claims and wish to examine them a bit further.<br><br>I chose the water engine as it is the easiest to explain in concept, in comparison to other over unity devices.<br><br>Stan Meyers water engine used resonance principals to shatter the hydrogen oxygen bond. If you are unfamiliar with resonance here's a quick explanation<br><br>---<br> <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.intuitor.com/resonance/">www.intuitor.com/resonance/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br>..Resonance is a common thread which runs through almost every branch of physics, and yet a lot of people have never studied it. Without resonance we wouldn't have radio, television, music, or swings on playgrounds, not to mention cool gizmo's like Tesla coils. Of course, resonance also has its dark side. It occasionally causes a bridge to collapse, a helicopter to fly apart, or other inconveniences. Unlike black holes, time travel, and quantum mechanics, resonance is common place and easy to observe. Yet, it is one of the most striking and unexpected phenomenon in all of physics...<br><br>...Taken to an extreme, resonance causes things to break catastrophically. For example, when an opera singer with a very loud voice hits the right frequency she can cause a champagne glass to resonate and break....<br><br>----<br>The same principal is applied to water in the case of Stan Meyers water engine, and most likely Xogens technology (watch the video links above they have some good info). The small amount of current at the right frequency sent into the water hit it at it resonance point and 'fractured' the water.<br><br>They were in essence claiming to achieve the inverse of conventional electrolysis , instead of losing 300% energy, they were gaining at least 300% from the hydrogen output.<br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=cortez@rigorousintuition>cortez</A> at: 11/15/05 1:42 am<br></i>
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Re: slim

Postby cortez » Tue Nov 15, 2005 4:46 am

Overunity discussions always require a little Tesla in the mix<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.intuitor.com/resonance/resImages/tesla.gif" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong><br>Nikola Tesla (1856 - 1943) - Master of Resonance</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>It was an innocent experiment. The year was 1898 and Tesla attached a small vibrator to an iron column in his laboratory located in New York City. He closed a switch and it began vibrating. He had noticed that at certain frequencies specific pieces of equipment in the room would start to jiggle. Changing the frequency would move the jiggle to another part of the room. Unfortunately, he had not taken into account the fact that the column ran downward into the foundation beneath the building. His vibrations were being transmitted all over Manhattan.<br><br>For Tesla, the first hint of trouble came when the walls and floor began to heave (ref 1). He immediately stopped the experiment just as the police came rushing through the door. It seems he had started a small earthquake in his neighborhood which had smashed windows, swayed buildings, and sent panicky neighbors rushing into the streets. The police fingered Tesla because they had frequently responded to complaints about his unusual activities. It was another of Tesla's experiments in resonance.<br>        <br><br>Although Tesla was not the first to discover resonance he was obsessed with it and created some of the most incredible demonstrations of it ever seen. He studied both mechanical and electrical versions. In the process he created an artificial earthquake, numerous artificial lightning storms, knocked an entire power plant off line in Colorado, and nearly caused the steel frame of a sky scraper under construction in Manhattan to collapse. Tesla realized that the principles of resonance could be used to transmit and receive radio messages well before Marconi. In fact, many knowledgeable sources now credit Tesla as the inventor of radio rather than Marconi. This includes the Supreme Court which in 1943 ruled that Tesla's radio patents had preceded all others including Marconi's ...<br><br>more here<br><br>http://www.intuitor.com/resonance/tesla.html <p></p><i></i>
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Postby cortez » Tue Nov 15, 2005 4:56 am

<!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://michele.usc.edu/105b/electrochemistry/chmvid27.mov">Video of conventional electrolysis (quicktime)</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>notice the amount of bubbles produced<br><br>The Xogen video or Meyers demo (one of the above posts), clearly produces far greater effect on water. <br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.nw0.info/index.php?dir=Media.Clips/&file=Free_Energy_Xogen_Super-Efficient.Electrolysis.that.produce.oxy-hydrogen.gas.wmv">Xogen Video</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: free energy, over-unity

Postby dragon feathers Jack » Tue Dec 20, 2005 1:15 pm

haven't you ever heard of a thing called - a windmill?<br><br>or even of the fabled watermill?<br><br>i believe these days they are called wind turbines and water turbines.<br><br>and there is this,<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.lutec.com.au/index.htm">www.lutec.com.au/index.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>excerpt,<br><br>"The Lutec 1000 is the first free energy machine to be developed to commercial stage anywhere in the world.<br><br>The Lutec 1000 generator will produce up to 1000 watts of DC electricity twenty four hours a day, every day, which will be stored in a battery bank and then inverted to AC power and connected directly into the home or business.<br><br>The Lutec 1000 draws the power it requires to run itself from the same battery bank. The average house in Cairns, Queensland, uses only fourteen of the twenty four kilowatt hours able to be stored in twenty four hours by this method.<br><br>The batteries will last ten years. The generator is expected to come with a conditional ten year warranty.<br><br>The magnets that are responsible for the generation have an effective life of one thousand three hundred years.<br><br>This product is non polluting. It will assist to bring down green house gases and therefore help cure our sick and dying planet. There are strong community health benefits. It will help slow the rate of use of non renewable resources, like oil. It will help reduce airborne emissions of gases and elements that ruin our forests and lakes.<br><br>No buying petrol or diesel to run generators. No having to depend of the sun coming out, no flooding perfectly good farm land to build hydro systems, no nuclear meltdowns or disposal problems with radioactive by-products, no high sulphur and nitrous content, foul smelling, coal burning."<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: free energy, over-unity

Postby sussurus2 » Wed Dec 21, 2005 3:39 am

Slim, baby, don't feel too bad that the thread didn't get much further. <br><br>I've gone from being worried about talking about it, to realizing that I could blab all day long...but the conditioning and hypnosis is so deep that I've had folks right in front of such things, and they've been like "ah, yes, I see" and they can't see it. Because they can't believe it is possible, so I must be simply mistaken. So they do the "pat on the head" dismissal of this well meaning but impossibly misguided expiramenter and move on through their lives of manufactured distractions and purposefully impoverished potential, untouched by the wonder of it all. <br><br>Egads. <br><br>Fortunately, there's an extended international community at this point of co-practitioners. It's a motley crew, but morale is high. Call them the pirate pirates... <br><br>For those who are on the trail, keep at it. Eventually you will begin to discern what works & what doesn't, and even become discriminating in your preferences as to which strategies to explore more fully...nothing to lose but your boredom, at minimum. Possibly you will lose even more, and that is a hope and a wish I offer into the aether, for everyone.<br><br>Nite all.<br>S. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: free energy, over-unity

Postby cortez » Wed Dec 21, 2005 9:06 pm

Engines that run on water?<br><br>By Otis Port<br>Business week<br>08/09/94<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.himacresearch.com/docs/gunn2.html">www.himacresearch.com/docs/gunn2.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Rudolf W. Gunnerman has a tiger by the tail--the Exxon tiger. If the technology that the 66-year-old inventor has spent $6 million and the past seven years developing lives up to his claims, cars and trucks could one day be running on a fraction of the gasoline and diesel fuel they now use. Ditto for buses, planes, trains, and anything else powered by an internal-combustion engine--from lawn mowers to huge electrical generators.<br><br>Gunnerman claims to have a technology that enables engines to burn a mixture of half fuel, half water. Yes, water. What's more, he says, the mixture gets 40% better mileage from the gasoline it contains and emits significantly l ess pollution because engines run cooler. In particular, tailpipes emit virtually no nitrogen oxides--the principal source of smog.<br><br>Sound crazy? Maybe, but Caterpillar Inc. is so intrigued that in early July it formed a joint venture with A-55 LP, Gunnerman's tiny, nine- person company in Reno, Nev. A-55 is short for aqueous 55%, the amount of water by weight in the patented fuels. But the key ingredient is 0.5% of a secret emulsifier that enables fuel and water to mix--and stay mixed. Gunnerman financed his work with royalties from other patents, especially th ose covering the making of pellets for woodstoves.<br><br>NICKEL CATALYST. Caterpillar won't discuss the terms of the deal, except to say it will contribute staff and resources to the new venture, called Advanced Fuels LLC. ``It's certainly very exciting technology, '' says James E. Si bley, Cat's technical manager and acting general manager of the joint venture. ``But a lot of work still needs to be done, and a lot of surprises can always crop up as you go to product development.''<br><br>Why does the fuel result in better mileage? Gunnerman believes the water gets broken down into hydrogen and oxygen, and the hydrogen contributes energy to the combustion process. That's because there is one additional trick in h is patented process: A small piece of nickel must be attached to the crown of each piston or the top of the cylinder heads. The nickel seems to act as a catalyst in ``dissociating' ' the water, says Gunnerman.<br><br>Hogwash, says David B. Kittelson, a mechanical engineering professor at the University of Minnesota. Researchers have been burning 50%- water fuels since the 1940s, and ``there's this myth that you're burning the water.'' Actually, he says, the water j ust allows the engine to run hotter and not melt. World War II bombers wouldn't have been able to get off the runway without their water-injection turbochargers.<br><br>Still, Gunnerman's invention has done well in recent tests. Reno used it to power a city bus for five months. The Air Force put six vehicles through a 14-week obstacle course at its Elmendorf base in Alaska. And the Minnesota Tr ansportation Dept. hosted an event last December featuring five vehicles that journeyed 2,000 miles from Reno.<br><br>MILES TO GO. In Reno, city bus No.405 began making its daily runs with Gunnerman's blend on Oct. 5, 1993. It racked up 11,292 miles by Feb. 22, when the engine was removed and shipped to Caterpillar for s tudy. Bruce Anderson, maintenance superintendent of Reno's Regional Transportation Commission, kept tabs on performance and found a 29% increase in mileage per gallon of diesel fuel--with no unusual problems.<br><br>In Minnesota, Gregory Felt, chief operations engineer for the state' s Transportation Dept., admits he was ``the biggest skeptic around.' ' So he asked Gunnerman's team for a live demo: Mix up a fresh batch with local tap water and diesel fuel. When the blend was used to fire up a model 453 engine from Detroit Diesel Inc., ``it had the cleanest exhaust I've ever seen coming out of a diesel,'' says Felt. ``If it really does what it seems, this is big.''<br><br>How big? ``If this proves out, it could reduce the U.S. trade deficit by almost half, by eliminating the need to import oil,'' says John D. Peters, who tracks emerging transportation technology for Minnesota.<br><br>Converting an existing gasoline engine to run A-55 fuel would cost less than $500, Gunnerman predicts--including a new fuel-injection control chip that could be programmed to detect the presence or absence of water and adjust op erations accordingly. That way, drivers could fill up with regular gasoline if they couldn't find A-55.<br><br>Gunnerman's next project: a fuel that would eliminate gasoline altogether. He calls it ``X fuel.'' It's a mix of naphtha and water. Naphtha comes out of the process of refining oil earlier than gasoline, so it costs 50% less. It 's enough to send the Exxon tiger into a tizzy.<br><br><br>more info <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.sulphco.com/technology.htm#what">www.sulphco.com/technology.htm#what</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>What We Do...<br><br>Our principal business is to develop and build proprietary technologies that upgrade “sour heavy” crude oils into “sweeter lighter” crudes. SulphCo’s technologies add value to oil companies by providing them with new lower cost solutions to pressing problems associated with meeting government mandates for ultra-low sulfur fuels. In addition, SulphCo’s process concurrently reduces nitrogen, metals, asphaltenes and heavy residuum components found in all crude oils. The net result is up to 7 more gallons of useable oil that can be economically refined from every barrel of crude oil processed.<br><br>As an example of SulphCo’s ability to upgrade “sour heavy” crude oil into “sweeter lighter” crude oil, typical Middle East crude oils contain approximately 40-45% residuum (unusable oil naturally occurring in a barrel of oil) and 0-5% asphaltenes (thick petroleum byproduct). Processing Middle East crude with SulphCo’s ultrasonic process under ambient temperatures and low-pressure results in up to 80% of the residuum and almost all of the asphaltenes converted to usable oil. Therefore, more useable oil can be processed from every barrel of crude oil. Also the process concurrently reduces sulfur, nitrogen, metals, and other contaminants, which benefits oil refineries with less downstream high-temperature, high-pressure, energy (and hydrogen) consuming hydrotreating. SulphCo has achieved similar results with heavy sour crude oils from USA, Mexico, Canada and Venezuela...<br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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