The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.
- H.L. Mencken
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ParisianAttackMonkey
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chiggerbit
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"I would not say that the future is necessarily less predictable than the past. I think the past was not predictable when it started."
"We do know of certain knowledge that he [Osama Bin Laden] is either in Afghanistan, or in some other country, or dead."
"We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat." –on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction
"Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war."
"Freedom's untidy, and free people are free to make mistakes and commit crimes and do bad things." –on looting in Iraq after the U.S. invasion, adding "stuff happens"
"As you know, you go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time."
"[Osama Bin Laden is] either alive and well or alive and not too well or not alive."
"I am not going to give you a number for it because it's not my business to do intelligent work." -asked to estimate the number of Iraqi insurgents while testifying before Congress
"I believe what I said yesterday. I don't know what I said, but I know what I think, and, well, I assume it's what I said."
"Needless to say, the President is correct. Whatever it was he said."
"Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns -- the ones we don't know we don't know."
"If I said yes, that would then suggest that that might be the only place where it might be done which would not be accurate, necessarily accurate. It might also not be inaccurate, but I'm disinclined to mislead anyone."
"There's another way to phrase that and that is that the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. It is basically saying the same thing in a different way. Simply because you do not have evidence that something does exist does not mean that you have evidence that it doesn't exist." -on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction
"It is unknowable how long that conflict [the war in Iraq] will last. It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months." -in Feb. 2003
"Well, um, you know, something's neither good nor bad but thinking makes it so, I suppose, as Shakespeare said."
"Secretary Powell and I agree on every single issue that has ever been before this administration except for those instances where Colin's still learning."
"Learn to say 'I don't know.' If used when appropriate, it will be often."
"I don't know what the facts are but somebody's certainly going to sit down with him and find out what he knows that they may not know, and make sure he knows what they know that he may not know."
"I'm not into this detail stuff. I'm more concepty."
"I don't do quagmires."
"I don't do diplomacy."
"I don't do foreign policy."
"I don't do predictions."
"I don't do numbers."
"I don't do book reviews."
"Now, settle down, settle down. Hell, I'm an old man, it's early in the morning and I'm gathering my thoughts here."
"If I know the answer I'll tell you the answer, and if I don't, I'll just respond, cleverly."
"Oh, Lord. I didn't mean to say anything quotable."
-all by Donald Rumsfeld
"We do know of certain knowledge that he [Osama Bin Laden] is either in Afghanistan, or in some other country, or dead."
"We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat." –on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction
"Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war."
"Freedom's untidy, and free people are free to make mistakes and commit crimes and do bad things." –on looting in Iraq after the U.S. invasion, adding "stuff happens"
"As you know, you go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time."
"[Osama Bin Laden is] either alive and well or alive and not too well or not alive."
"I am not going to give you a number for it because it's not my business to do intelligent work." -asked to estimate the number of Iraqi insurgents while testifying before Congress
"I believe what I said yesterday. I don't know what I said, but I know what I think, and, well, I assume it's what I said."
"Needless to say, the President is correct. Whatever it was he said."
"Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns -- the ones we don't know we don't know."
"If I said yes, that would then suggest that that might be the only place where it might be done which would not be accurate, necessarily accurate. It might also not be inaccurate, but I'm disinclined to mislead anyone."
"There's another way to phrase that and that is that the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. It is basically saying the same thing in a different way. Simply because you do not have evidence that something does exist does not mean that you have evidence that it doesn't exist." -on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction
"It is unknowable how long that conflict [the war in Iraq] will last. It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months." -in Feb. 2003
"Well, um, you know, something's neither good nor bad but thinking makes it so, I suppose, as Shakespeare said."
"Secretary Powell and I agree on every single issue that has ever been before this administration except for those instances where Colin's still learning."
"Learn to say 'I don't know.' If used when appropriate, it will be often."
"I don't know what the facts are but somebody's certainly going to sit down with him and find out what he knows that they may not know, and make sure he knows what they know that he may not know."
"I'm not into this detail stuff. I'm more concepty."
"I don't do quagmires."
"I don't do diplomacy."
"I don't do foreign policy."
"I don't do predictions."
"I don't do numbers."
"I don't do book reviews."
"Now, settle down, settle down. Hell, I'm an old man, it's early in the morning and I'm gathering my thoughts here."
"If I know the answer I'll tell you the answer, and if I don't, I'll just respond, cleverly."
"Oh, Lord. I didn't mean to say anything quotable."
-all by Donald Rumsfeld
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judasdisney
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“Sometimes democracy must be bathed in blood.”
Augusto Pinochet
“During 65 years, I have walked the path of duty and discipline, ... And today, looking back at that long path of service, my soldier's heart stirs and murmurs from deep within: Thank you. Thank you, my homeland.”
Augusto Pinochet
"We are going to have to kill 50,000 people: 25,000 subversives, 20,000 sympathizers, and we will make 5,000 mistakes."
- An Argentine General during the planning of the 3/24/76 Coup
As many people as necessary must die in Argentina so that the country will again be secure"
- Jorge Videla, Commander-In-Chief of the Argentine military
"Serious conflicts are and always will be a source of abuse and exaggeration."
Augusto Pinochet
"My evaluation is that you are a victim of all leftwing groups around the world and that your greatest sin was that you overthrew a government that was going Communist."
- Henry Kissinger to Pinochet, June 8, 1976
BBC News Headline: Pinochet Death "Saddens" Lady Thatcher
“Human Rights are an invention of the Marxists” - Augusto Pinochet
"The trust of the innocent is the liar's most useful tool." Stephen King
Augusto Pinochet
“During 65 years, I have walked the path of duty and discipline, ... And today, looking back at that long path of service, my soldier's heart stirs and murmurs from deep within: Thank you. Thank you, my homeland.”
Augusto Pinochet
"We are going to have to kill 50,000 people: 25,000 subversives, 20,000 sympathizers, and we will make 5,000 mistakes."
- An Argentine General during the planning of the 3/24/76 Coup
As many people as necessary must die in Argentina so that the country will again be secure"
- Jorge Videla, Commander-In-Chief of the Argentine military
"Serious conflicts are and always will be a source of abuse and exaggeration."
Augusto Pinochet
"My evaluation is that you are a victim of all leftwing groups around the world and that your greatest sin was that you overthrew a government that was going Communist."
- Henry Kissinger to Pinochet, June 8, 1976
BBC News Headline: Pinochet Death "Saddens" Lady Thatcher
“Human Rights are an invention of the Marxists” - Augusto Pinochet
"The trust of the innocent is the liar's most useful tool." Stephen King
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chiggerbit
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i've been thinking about making a post like the one i'm about to do for about 4 to 5 months and i've been fearful to for many reasons..(no one responding, etc.). et in arcadia ego, a few posts ago in this thread told us how his wife has pretty a bad health situation. i am in one as well. i don't know if i should make a seperate thread of this...but here goes:
sometimes this all is a little too much to bear. i havn't been posting here in this forum as much as i used to because of my situation, not so much a physical impairment but because for me it is very hard to reconcile the horrible crazy things that happen in the world with my own problems and in my mind, to somehow be able to maintain as much focus as i used to at this forum and deal with the fear, doubt and sadness of a disease leads to me not making an appearance here so much. so i have had to deal with the fears of mass conpiracies leading the world into hell along with my own slowly encroaching personal hell.
sorry if i seem to not get to the point but its very hard for me..the thing is i have duchenne muscular dystrophy and its been getting much more difficult for me. i was born with this disease and its genetic. slowly over time my muscles lose strength and i will die because of it. so.. i am 21 years old and apparently not many with my condition on average don't make it past 21.. i can just feel my throat tightening in anxiety as i type this out. i also am in an electric wheelchair and live day to day at home with my mom who works full-time.
this kind of is a little bit of a cry for help. i'm not dying, i don't mean that kind of help. but i do need some support dealing with everything. its hard for me to reconcile or to stay hopeful about life in general or society's furture with the current parapolitical situation with its sense of impending doom and my own eventual death due to my disease. i think what happened to me when i was young is i saw conspiracy theory as some kind of validation of how how horrible the world can be and fueled some teenaged dream that i'll save the world. i hope you people know what i mean. but as time has gone on i've come to recognize that this no holds-barred gung-ho search for truth and the dissemination of it has taken alot of my time and all of a sudden my disease seems to have gotten much worse. i was almost caught off gaurd by it. so where i would spend most of my time that i'd write or think about something about 9/11 or the general oddness of the world, i should have been focused elsewhere it seems... i say i was caught off gaurd because i started having panic atacks, worry of dying and general malaise because i have no idea how do deal with all of this.... anyway, any help, suggestions, comments or ideas are welcome.
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"When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it - always." -Mahatma Gandhi
-dugoboy
sometimes this all is a little too much to bear. i havn't been posting here in this forum as much as i used to because of my situation, not so much a physical impairment but because for me it is very hard to reconcile the horrible crazy things that happen in the world with my own problems and in my mind, to somehow be able to maintain as much focus as i used to at this forum and deal with the fear, doubt and sadness of a disease leads to me not making an appearance here so much. so i have had to deal with the fears of mass conpiracies leading the world into hell along with my own slowly encroaching personal hell.
sorry if i seem to not get to the point but its very hard for me..the thing is i have duchenne muscular dystrophy and its been getting much more difficult for me. i was born with this disease and its genetic. slowly over time my muscles lose strength and i will die because of it. so.. i am 21 years old and apparently not many with my condition on average don't make it past 21.. i can just feel my throat tightening in anxiety as i type this out. i also am in an electric wheelchair and live day to day at home with my mom who works full-time.
this kind of is a little bit of a cry for help. i'm not dying, i don't mean that kind of help. but i do need some support dealing with everything. its hard for me to reconcile or to stay hopeful about life in general or society's furture with the current parapolitical situation with its sense of impending doom and my own eventual death due to my disease. i think what happened to me when i was young is i saw conspiracy theory as some kind of validation of how how horrible the world can be and fueled some teenaged dream that i'll save the world. i hope you people know what i mean. but as time has gone on i've come to recognize that this no holds-barred gung-ho search for truth and the dissemination of it has taken alot of my time and all of a sudden my disease seems to have gotten much worse. i was almost caught off gaurd by it. so where i would spend most of my time that i'd write or think about something about 9/11 or the general oddness of the world, i should have been focused elsewhere it seems... i say i was caught off gaurd because i started having panic atacks, worry of dying and general malaise because i have no idea how do deal with all of this.... anyway, any help, suggestions, comments or ideas are welcome.
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"When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it - always." -Mahatma Gandhi
-dugoboy
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professorpan
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MLK on war
Following are excerpts from King's sermon "Why I Am Opposed to the War in Vietnam" at the Ebenezer Baptist Church on April 30, 1967:
"I knew that I could never again raise my voice against the violence of the oppressed in the ghettos without having first spoken clearly to the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today -- my own government. ... There is something strangely inconsistent about a nation and a press that would praise you when you say, 'Be nonviolent toward Jim Clark,' but will curse and damn you when you say, 'Be nonviolent toward little brown Vietnamese children!' There is something wrong with that press. ...
"I'm convinced that if we are to get on the right side of the world revolution, we as a nation must undergo a radical revolution of values. ... When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, militarism and economic exploitation are incapable of being conquered. A true revolution of values will soon cause us to question the fairness and justice of many of our present policies. ... True compassion is more than flinging a coin to a beggar. A true revolution of values will soon look uneasily on the glaring contrast of poverty and wealth with righteous indignation."
"I knew that I could never again raise my voice against the violence of the oppressed in the ghettos without having first spoken clearly to the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today -- my own government. ... There is something strangely inconsistent about a nation and a press that would praise you when you say, 'Be nonviolent toward Jim Clark,' but will curse and damn you when you say, 'Be nonviolent toward little brown Vietnamese children!' There is something wrong with that press. ...
"I'm convinced that if we are to get on the right side of the world revolution, we as a nation must undergo a radical revolution of values. ... When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, militarism and economic exploitation are incapable of being conquered. A true revolution of values will soon cause us to question the fairness and justice of many of our present policies. ... True compassion is more than flinging a coin to a beggar. A true revolution of values will soon look uneasily on the glaring contrast of poverty and wealth with righteous indignation."
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Et in Arcadia ego
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orz
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[...] one ought to recognise that the present political chaos is connected with the decay of language, and that one can probably bring about some improvement by starting at the verbal end. If you simplify your English, you are freed from the worst follies of orthodoxy. You cannot speak any of the necessary dialects, and when you make a stupid remark its stupidity will be obvious, even to yourself. Political language -- and with variations this is true of all political parties, from Conservatives to Anarchists -- is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.
- George Orwell "Politics and the English Language"
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chiggerbit
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chiggerbit
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