Should the CIA choose our President?

[SonicG]

It's funny because I was just perusing the news and there are all these warnings about Trump's looming authoritarianism.

Really? I usually keep google news: "Trump" open all the time just for the latest Lolz and that has really gone by the wayside next to all the other stuff...a non-stop shitstorm of idiocy seems to be the main message...

[Elvis]

You are both (elvis and brekin) writing about Moore without bothering to define or agree on common definitions of "elite," class, institutions, power, position, etc. Thus you are bound to talk past each other, with the advantage of being completely right, no matter what you say, even if you don't even know what you said. And you can be certain the other guy is wrong.

Yeah. And not for the first time. I still say millionaires are a dime a dozen, "the elite" is more like, if you have to ask, you can't afford it.

[RocketMan]

https://www.democracynow.org/2017/2/16/ ... p_state_to

Greenwald: Empowering the "Deep State" to Undermine Trump is Prescription for Destroying Democracy

Also Talking Points Memo's very establishment Josh Marshall is sounding a tentative alarm over the triumphalist boosting of the "intelligence community" by liberals for perceived short-sighted gain.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/dangerous-ground

The prospect of the country's intelligence apparatus working against rather than for an elected President is an incredibly dangerous one. We even have a report from the Wall Street Journal from last night which says that the Intelligence Community is withholding some information from the President and his top aides for fear it might be leaked to hostile powers.

[...]

The idea that the nation's intelligence and law enforcement agencies may be taking it upon themselves to overturn or disrupt the results of a national election cuts to the heart of the legitimacy and existence of our government. In early January, there were reports out of Israel that US intelligence officials had warned their Israeli counterparts against sharing certain intelligence with the United States under President Trump for fear the information could be passed on to Russia and from Russia on to Iran. This is extremely dangerous ground.

[justdrew]

donald "cuts to the heart of the legitimacy and existence of our government"

there's no "normal" way this ends well

[Searcher08]

the anti-Trump social justice mob

Fuck off.

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Well met, you have finally become.... R.I.'s answer to Shia LeBeouf.

The vapid yet fascistic, holier-than-thou yet Inquisitional, apoplectic true-believer Othering ranting upthread (not to mention the hilarity of you telling Elvis and brekin how to discuss... lulz) reminded me of two things:
Red Guards attacking anti-proletarian... shop signage... just like the Glorious Antifa attacking street bins. I can just see you working furiously behind the scenes, debating with AD about whether we should "leave behind Marcuse and bring in Lyotard" for that new flyposter campaign tomorrow...

but more, as the looming bulk of those giant lumbering gas-filled posts came into view, of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQzkTZtL1EM

The Robert Steele video interview upthread is excellent, remarkably free of autistic screeching, and well worth checking out.

[SonicG]

This guy?

Robert David Steele, Chief Enabling Officer (CeO) of Earth Intelligence Network, has today published a 733-word document online that lists and expands on the following seven predictions:

01 Preibus Goes

02 Trump Doubles-Down on Wrong Approach to National Security & National Strategy

03 Bannon Gets Playmates (Cynthia McKinney & Dennis Kucinich, Ralph Nader, Jesse Ventura)

04 Electoral Reform Act – paper ballots, end of private money in public politics

05 Trump Channel – press removed from White House

06 Debt Be Gone – 3 trillion in individual debt renegotiated personally by the President

07 Secure Communications for Everyone – NSA on the chopping block

03 Bannon Gets Playmates

This will shock some, but the idea is being considered and the main players get it. The Trump team is too white, too old, and too fat. They need black – Cynthia McKinney – and skinny center-left ethical – Dennis Kucinich. Throw in Ralph Nader supporting Jeff Sessions in some capacity, and Jesse Ventura as Governor-General with Mike Huckabee as a side-kick – both assuring state rights are front and center, and you have a diversity machine ready to kick some ass. This will stop the looming “American Spring” violence being planned by George Soros and others, if Trump also barnstorms the country with his new team – 50 states in 30 days – explaining to the public why they should demand and embrace the …

He is actually serious about this? THis is what you want considered as cogent analysis??

[Heaven Swan]

https://www.democracynow.org/2017/2/16/ ... p_state_to

Greenwald: Empowering the "Deep State" to Undermine Trump is Prescription for Destroying Democracy

Also Talking Points Memo's very establishment Josh Marshall is sounding a tentative alarm over the triumphalist boosting of the "intelligence community" by liberals for perceived short-sighted gain.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/dangerous-ground

The prospect of the country's intelligence apparatus working against rather than for an elected President is an incredibly dangerous one. We even have a report from the Wall Street Journal from last night which says that the Intelligence Community is withholding some information from the President and his top aides for fear it might be leaked to hostile powers.

[...]

The idea that the nation's intelligence and law enforcement agencies may be taking it upon themselves to overturn or disrupt the results of a national election cuts to the heart of the legitimacy and existence of our government. In early January, there were reports out of Israel that US intelligence officials had warned their Israeli counterparts against sharing certain intelligence with the United States under President Trump for fear the information could be passed on to Russia and from Russia on to Iran. This is extremely dangerous ground.

Yea, but Greenwald lives in Brazil.

And thanks Jack Riddler for giving some NYC perspective.

This whole ordeal is much more stomach-turning for us, who have lived with this noxious clown for decades.

I regularly thank my lucky stars that I haven't personally crossed paths with him. Several of my friends haven't been so lucky. One worked as an entertainer at one of his events--and never got paid. He blasted another with crude sexism then in a stunningly petty and money-grubbing move, lifted her contract with a cease and desist order from his lawyer. Another, while working for him, found herself in a room where she was in earshot of his conversation with cronies. What he bragged about and the way he expressed himself was so vulgar, disturbing, sexist, racist, not to mention brazenly criminal, that I haven't repeated the details to anyone because it would sicken me to say it. You can't unhear this stuff though.

And my friend is not a politico, I believe her and it's clearly just typical, everyday behavior on his part.

And I have had contact with other evil presidents and they are so radically different, he is NOTHING like them-- who tend to be: slick as cellophane, blasting all citizens they meet with a warm gust of charm and 'concern' while projecting competence, even brilliance.

I may have dedicated my life to fighting against the evil, destructive and exploitative side of what they do but I can't say that they aren't professional and sane (in a their own sometimes diabolical way).

You could make a convincing argument that Trump and his crew's off the charts recklessness and incompetence is waking people up and providing an opening for change-- but you can't say it's not extremely dangerous.

[seemslikeadream]

the onus is on the republicans in congress to do their job, get ahead of the CIA.....start impeachment proceedings....if they do not the CIA will do it for them......that's just the reality

and if the congress does not do their job ...they will be the guilty ones


trump is mentally unstable and needs to be removed from office

watch yesterday's press conference for proof

trump is now on his way to his Trump for President 2020 fund raising tour in Florida

[Searcher08]

This guy?

Robert David Steele, Chief Enabling Officer (CeO) of Earth Intelligence Network, has today published a 733-word document online that lists and expands on the following seven predictions:

01 Preibus Goes

02 Trump Doubles-Down on Wrong Approach to National Security & National Strategy

03 Bannon Gets Playmates (Cynthia McKinney & Dennis Kucinich, Ralph Nader, Jesse Ventura)

04 Electoral Reform Act – paper ballots, end of private money in public politics

05 Trump Channel – press removed from White House

06 Debt Be Gone – 3 trillion in individual debt renegotiated personally by the President

07 Secure Communications for Everyone – NSA on the chopping block

03 Bannon Gets Playmates

This will shock some, but the idea is being considered and the main players get it. The Trump team is too white, too old, and too fat. They need black – Cynthia McKinney – and skinny center-left ethical – Dennis Kucinich. Throw in Ralph Nader supporting Jeff Sessions in some capacity, and Jesse Ventura as Governor-General with Mike Huckabee as a side-kick – both assuring state rights are front and center, and you have a diversity machine ready to kick some ass. This will stop the looming “American Spring” violence being planned by George Soros and others, if Trump also barnstorms the country with his new team – 50 states in 30 days – explaining to the public why they should demand and embrace the …

He is actually serious about this? THis is what you want considered as cogent analysis??

Refreshingly constructive, actually. Not a word you hear around RI much.
Guess you found JR's hysteria-fuelled rant a "cogent analysis"? I found it truly dull, boring and indulgent. F-

You also left out most of it -

04 Electoral Reform Act

The system is rigged twelve different ways. We fix that and it changes everything. There is one big move – and one big move only – that can slam the Establishment back into a small box, liberate the Members from financial dependences, empower Trump with the popular vote across all boundaries, and make evidence-based governance in the public interest possible. The Electoral Reform Act that many activists have been calling for since Occupy first considered the matter in 2011 is a transformative move.

05 Trump Channel

Preibus stopped the original and correct instinct of the president, to throw the press corps out of the White House. A Trump Channel – picture a daily seven-minute Presidential fireside chat, multiple fifteen minute briefs by Cabinet officials across all policy domains, and presidential tweets that ask a question answered by 150 million or more via PollMole, our new secret weapon for direct democracy, on a Presidential Dashboard that can drill down to individual Congressional districts and specific demographics. Good-bye fake news media, hello power to the people.

06 Debt Be Gone

Donald Trump came into office acutely aware of the sovereign debt. He was less aware of the fact that individual, family, and small business debt is three trillion dollars and rising. Now he understands that a Debt Renunciation Pledge at a non-profit website outside the government, one that empowers Donald Trump as an individual to renegotiate that debt, does two things: first, it give Donald Trump the specifics including the email address of every person opting in (say 100 million), and second, it allows Donald Trump to go to the banks and do what he has done so well for himself: renegotiate the debt. No President has ever connected to the public so directly. This is another game-changer.

07 Secure Communications for Everyone, NSA Dismantled by Executive Order

The National Security Agency (NSA) has been spying on all US politicians (including Barack Obama since he was a junior Senator according to Russ Tice, NSA whistle-blower). There is a new technology that the Trump team used to good effect during the campaign, Defense Enabling and Assisting Framework (DEAF). It is said to be impervious to interception; does not “flag” the exchange as an encrypted exchange warranting deeper scrutiny, and installation on one device automatically extends to all other devices exchanging information with the host unit. I predict President Trump will abandon the existing “secure” communications architecture that has consumed trillions of dollars, and migrate the US Government to a commercially-based network where all communications public and private are protected. I further anticipate that NSA – which has no legislative charter – will be dismantled by Executive Order.

[SonicG]

It reads like gibberish...It's his fever dream, but no fucking way on this earth it is going to happen...Fuck. I would be better off trying to make sense of the real Bob Dobbs...

[Searcher08]

It reads like gibberish...It's his fever dream, but no fucking way on this earth it is going to happen...Fuck. I would be better off trying to make sense of the real Bob Dobbs...

That's what I thought. The inchoate rantings of someone who is on the edge of a nervous breakdown, kept together by the glue of their fist-pounding rage. Oh wait you are talking about Steele, not JR.

He is a big advocate of OSINT. I found him perfectly understandable on the video interview and his criticisms of the CIA (as a former insider) extremely direct and focused.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_intelligence

I like Bob Dobbs too.

[semper occultus]

I'm into 70's nostalgia so enjoying seeing our cousins across the pond re-enacting our mid-decade political crisis where the sitting Prime Minister Harold Wilson was being smeared as a compromised Russian agent / puppet & MI5 was cooking up a coup d'etat along with a few Generals & Fleet Street newspaper editors...they even tapped up Lord Mountbatten to act as the figure head of a National Government...

...don't worry though they just went with Maggie Thatcher in the end..

[Searcher08]

I'm into 70's nostalgia so enjoying seeing our cousins across the pond re-enacting our mid-decade political crisis where the sitting Prime Minister Harold Wilson was being smeared as a compromised Russian agent / puppet & MI5 was cooking up a coup d'etat along with a few Generals & Fleet Street newspaper editors...they even tapped up Lord Mountbatten to act as the figure head of a National Government...

...don't worry though they just went with Maggie Thatcher in the end..

Yes, I remember when the fascists were like, actual fascists of the National Front, with baseball bats as opposed to these days Antifa fascists throwing sucker punches and running away.
Young people today, they never believe it.

[Wombaticus Rex]

You are both (elvis and brekin) writing about Moore without bothering to define or agree on common definitions of "elite," class, institutions, power, position, etc. Thus you are bound to talk past each other, with the advantage of being completely right, no matter what you say, even if you don't even know what you said. And you can be certain the other guy is wrong.

Yeah. And not for the first time. I still say millionaires are a dime a dozen, "the elite" is more like, if you have to ask, you can't afford it.

Quite so, but I think the bigger point being made is that once you've got that lakefront second home that's large enough for five families and then some, you made a decision about what side you're on. Sure, billionaires have contempt for millionaires and Michael Moore isn't invited to Davos or Bilderberg. Doesn't change Moore's decision.

Fuck his good intentions and fuck his lip service to the working class he left long ago.

[seemslikeadream]

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Florida event is a fund raiser to re-elect trump in 2020