David Fellin and Henry Throne, Hollow Earth, etc.

[JD]

Interesting, good thread Chiggerbit. One of the best I've seen recently.

Graham Hancock's latest book touches on prehistoric Cave Art. Imagine this; in a time without electric or gas light; climbing deep into a cave and making art in it. Don't know if you guys have ever done spelunking but it is psychologically challenging with electric light and would be orders of magnitude higher with only torches or periods of no light at all. (Obviously at some point the ancients must have had fires or torches or wouldn't have been able to draw the art.......)

Anyways; a thesis in Hancock's book is that the ancient people used plants to get high, have mystical experiences, which were recorded on the cave walls. Much like we decorate the walls of a church.

Taking that hypothesis and combining with the previously described weird shit that happens in caves especially when people do rituals and there may be some meat to this general idea.

FYI a review on Hancock's book (I admit I haven't finished it yet LOL!)
[url]http://www.andrewcollins.com/page/articles/Graham_Hancock_Supernatural_review.htm
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[chiggerbit]

http://tinyurl.com/y7e5xp


Crisman, with connections to Shaver's pulp mag producer, with connections to Riconsciuto, with connections to....JFK assassination? Dang!
(Thanks for the heads up to a now-quiet member here)

[Et in Arcadia ego]

Anybody else wonder why it was so cold down that deep in the earth? Well, on second thought, I suppose 42 degrees would feel pretty darned cold to someone who was that confined.

Here's my ignorant question in this discussion:

If the Earth has a molten core and that helps maintain heat on the planet, why does going into the Earth see a drop in temperture?

[chiggerbit]

From a common conspiracy source, on Crisman:

http://tinyurl.com/yma5fv

[chiggerbit]

et, do you still have the magical powers to correct spread threads?

[chiggerbit]

As for your question, et:

If the Earth has a molten core and that helps maintain heat on the planet, why does going into the Earth see a drop in temperture?

I'm not sure that is was a "drop" in temp, et. I'd have to go back and check the date of the mine incident. That mine temp may have been quite a bit warmer than the surface temperature. But, I do know that in Minnesota, footings for foundations of houses are four feet deep because the ground doesn't freeze below that depth. Most of the time, that is how deep the ice froze on the lakes when I lived upt there, but no deeper. (Btw, I heard that the Forest Lake, Mn ice fishing contest had to be cancelled this year due to not deep enough ice....global warming?)

[Joe Hillshoist]

That was an awesome story HMK

I forgot what thread it was in.

Cheers.

Chig - two miners were trapped underground for 2 weeks in a mine in my mum's hometown last year. the mine was reopened about 15 years ago after closing for being too dangerous about 100 years ago.

We used to play in it when it was an abandoned mine, and I was young.

Very spooky down there.

That entire time they were underground I felt this weird connection to that spot. So did mum and various other family.

I'd love to know if anything odd happened.

Funny thing was they were missing for a while before they were found and the rescue effort started. you could feel the vibe from the town even here. And the truth is that I knew they were OK even when they were written off as dead, so did mum.

It was a very strange feeling, especially as I went to sleep. Could feel the ground under the town.

A few odd things have happened to me in that place tho. Strong family connection, our house is still on a hill made of quartz a km above the mine workings. Strange place.

JD Supernatural is awesome.

Thats part of the weird stuff that happens underground.

I know it sounds far out but I could feel the town and the guys under ground from here with 1000km at least of land and 200km of Bass Strait between us.

and using the fantastic "ray" machines that the great ancient races left behind to project tormenting thoughts and voices into our minds.

It wasn't projecting tormenting thoughts...

But it kind of felt like somehow comforting thoughts were being projected from the town itself and the mine.

I was also projecting as much as I could in the way of energy prayer and hope, and used to imagine a protective field around the guys every time I went to bed. Funny but quite a few people from up here said the same thing. Its mums home town and I think I used to play cricket with one of them when we were young. So its part of my home too. But the people up here had no connection cept empathy

The truth of this is that when I got this feeling strongly, I felt like one of so many people who were contributing, this wasn't like taking out cruisers in the Persian gulf. That everyone moved by their plight was contributing something magical whether they thought about it or not.

So it was a give and take thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaconsfield_mine_collapse

Funny how 2 people can inspire so much care yet 1000s being slaughterd is like the structure of the world we live in and barely rates a mention with some people.

[Et in Arcadia ego]

et, do you still have the magical powers to correct spread threads?

Only for you, dear..

[chiggerbit]

On May 1, 2006 rescuers were still 12 metres from the miners. They were also later sent a digital camera, a torch, dry clothes, magazines, iPods including music from the Foo Fighters, deodorant and toothpaste

Deodorant?

[professorpan]

Caves are colder than the surface because they are farther from the sun. The molten core is very deep and doesn't affect cave temperature.

I've gone caving a few times -- there's nothing like it. Sadly, I've yet to see a Dero.

I did visit Actun Tunichil Muknal in Belize -- a cave the Maya used for sacrifice. It was profiled in National Geographic several years ago. There's an intact skeleton of a female sacrificial victim that became calcified by the mineral deposits in the cave.

It was a really creepy trip. The Maya even carved stalactites and stalagmites so they'd cast shadowy figures (a skeleton and a sinister face) when someone passed with a torch.

http://www.archaeology.org/online/featu ... ichil.html

[marmot]

HMKGrey---Very Interesting Story!

Thank You

[Joe Hillshoist]

Two guys trapped in an area the size of the cabin of a small car for 2 weeks.

I think I might want some deodorant.

They also asked for but didin't get beer and ciggies apparantly.

Oh yeah and the foo fighters may have written a song abut them. Dave Grohl wanted to have a beer with them when he heard they were trapped underground listening to the fooeys.

[chiggerbit]

More information on ground temperatures here at this heat pump site:

http://www.nmnrenewables.org/geothermal ... umps.shtml

"...A few feet beneath the surface, the earth's temperature remains fairly constant year round-ranging from 45º or so in northern latitudes to about 70ºF in the deep south. GHPs take advantage of this constant temperature to provide extremely efficient heating and cooling...."

[chiggerbit]

Looks like Theresa Duncan came to the subject before we did by a couple of years:

http://theresalduncan.typepad.com/witos ... _myst.html

Richard Shaver is known as either a crackpot or a visionary, but mainly a crackpot and citizen of Detroit, Michigan. Shaver first showed inklings of his future ways as a teenager: stealing a skull from a graveyard, breaking up his local scout troop...In 1929 he enrolled in the Wicker School of Art, where he was a nude model. He then moved up the ladder as a sort of "agent" who hired out other nude models. He was also known locally as a communist agitator and member of the John Reed Club. In the 1930s he was photographed by the Detroit News exhorting the crowd at a downtown May Day parade.

Shaver's chief legacy however is the "Shaver Mystery", the main thread of which was serialized beginning in 1945 in the legendary science-fiction pulp magazine Amazing Stories. Shaver's mystery began in 1932 while he was working at the Briggs Body plant in Highland Park manning a massive welding gun. Shaver claimed to have heard the sounds of a secret torture session held in a cavern deep inside the earth broadcast through his welding gun. In a nutshell, Shaver claimed to be in psychic contact with an underground world where a race of evil devolved dwarves called Dero plotted to kidnap, rape, and eat humans.

He claimed that the salt mines under Detroit are Deros' closest point of contact with the surface world, and that he had stumbled across a top-secret wartime program to study the Deros using the auto plant as a cover. Shaver's mythology extends far beyond what can be described here, but a good summary of it can be found at the Hollow Earth Insider website. They also have a nice detailed biography of Shaver.

Detroit skyline pictured above.

Friday, July 29, 2005 in Detroit | Permalink

[chiggerbit]

Tiny coincidence (see John Reed Clubs above, then view this link for cache colors of subjects I was googling):

http://tinyurl.com/2798hb