You seem to think these forces are mutually exclusive and always have differing goals, where I see them as possibly operating in tandem and accomplishing the same thing. I'm not quite sure what the goal is, of each and every poster, or their affiliations, but I know what the result is, and that is a limiting of calm rational conversation on the subject.sunny wrote:
You think pro-Israel forces who invade I/P discussions and shout everyone down with their "megaphones" are "earnest intelligent..advocates"? The links in this thread alone tend to prove the pro-Israel forces on the web are not only more organized and pervasive than the Aryan racists they are also just as committed. And in most cases, just as hateful.
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Yes, exactly! And that's no accident! I have to say I used to stay out of any I/P discussions exactly because of this. I literally just ignored the whole situation. When I finally started studying what was involved there, it was like WHEW! It's pretty obvious who the bad guys are in THAT case.agitprop wrote:It is to the benefit of Israeli intel that any online conversation about this subject, quickly devolves along certain lines. The threads are then not taken seriously
So yes, many sites simply have something of a ban on I/P issues because of this, which is perfect for the IDF-fellators.
It's no accident. Just a few people can completely shut down one of those discussions.
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Oh, I see what you're saying now. Yeah, it would make sense, and I've often thought it probably was true, that the IDF-lovers most definitely have a powerful interest in ramping up the hatred AGAINST them, so they can point fingers and scream "Help! We're being oppressed!) (that's a Monty Python joke, BTW).agitprop wrote: You seem to think these forces are mutually exclusive and always have differing goals, where I see them as possibly operating in tandem and accomplishing the same thing. I'm not quite sure what the goal is, of each and every poster, or their affiliations, but I know what the result is, and that is a limiting of calm rational conversation on the subject.
That's really just common sense.
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So, like, this is what I've been trying to say from the beginning. By George I think you've got it! But be careful with the "bad guys" label. There are elements of conspiracy, preplanning, funding questions, but certainly a lot of real passion emanating from real non aligned individuals too.Nordic wrote:Yes, exactly! And that's no accident! I have to say I used to stay out of any I/P discussions exactly because of this. I literally just ignored the whole situation. When I finally started studying what was involved there, it was like WHEW! It's pretty obvious who the bad guys are in THAT case.agitprop wrote:It is to the benefit of Israeli intel that any online conversation about this subject, quickly devolves along certain lines. The threads are then not taken seriously
So yes, many sites simply have something of a ban on I/P issues because of this, which is perfect for the IDF-fellators.
It's no accident. Just a few people can completely shut down one of those discussions.
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Yes, I imagine the megaphonies include a cadre of Aryans. Didn't someone catch neo-Nazi Bill White with megaphone software on his computer? Is he really an Aryan who just wants to get paid, or is he really an Israeli intelligence plant?
Here's a loaded question: Is Israel funding neo-Nazi front groups?
Here's a loaded question: Is Israel funding neo-Nazi front groups?
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Think that was my question, but I don't have it under patent, so you can use it.sunny wrote:Yes, I imagine the megaphonies include a cadre of Aryans. Didn't someone catch neo-Nazi Bill White with megaphone software on his computer? Is he really an Aryan who just wants to get paid, or is he really an Israeli intelligence plant?
Here's a loaded question: Is Israel funding neo-Nazi front groups?