The Quenelle

[Jerky]

Dieudonne NOT RACIST admits B'nai B'rith.

http://www.ledevoir.com/societe/actuali ... -nai-brith

[solace]

Dieudonne NOT RACIST admits B'nai B'rith.

http://www.ledevoir.com/societe/actuali ... -nai-brith

The little racist prick has come a LONG way since that article was published back in 2004. Nice try racist defender......ooohhhhhh wait....free speech defender, right? Yep, nothing like that old free racist speech. I imagine all the racist defenders will be along soon to defend it to the hilt.

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sarcasm off:

Solace, there are no racists here. They are simply not allowed. I saw nothing in any of the comments in this thread to warrant any one of the contributors "racist" thus far.

[stefano]

FWIW, Dieudonné says the quenelle is a "relaxed bras d'honneur", the bras d'honneur being a Latin obscenity involving both arms. It was often used by Coluche, a controversial and political comedian in the 1980s. Dieudonné seems to think of himself as a sort of heir to Coluche.

[slimmouse]

Heres another take on "The Jewish State" ( Netanyahu).

"We generally send the bulldozers in first, and send the paperwork later".

[solace]

sarcasm off:

Solace, there are no racists here. They are simply not allowed. I saw nothing in any of the comments in this thread to warrant any one of the contributors "racist" thus far.

Well not according to YOUR standards obviously. As far as I'm concerned though if one supports a racist one is themselves a racist. You wanna cut 'em slack, be my guest. It might a different thing if this particular racist and his followers were actively perusing a free speech type of thing but they aren't with talk about too bad no gas chambers and taking stylized nazi salute pics out side places where Jews were killed, including that little girl in Toulouse recently. That's just sick fucking shit. There's no defense for these people unless one agrees with their actions or wants to minimize anti-semitism; both which are racist.

[slimmouse]

Solace, Im going to make a truly heartfelt personal appeal to you here.

Why dont you tell us what you think with regards to many of the questions asked of you?

[bluenoseclaret]

Gilad Atzmon On Dieudonne' And The Quenelle

"If the quenelle is loosely defined as an anti establishment salute, one may wonder why Jews are offended by it and regard it as an ‘anti-Semitic’ gesture? Is it because many Jews actually identify with ‘the establishment’? And how do we explain the fact that the French government is happy to compromise the most elementary liberties just to appease the French Jewish Lobby (Crif)?

The truth is devastating - Palestine is here and the French people are the Palestinians Du Jour.."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpbI-Z2anlw

Some interesting comments.

[solace]

Gilad Atzmon On Dieudonne' And The Quenelle

"If the quenelle is loosely defined as an anti establishment salute, one may wonder why Jews are offended by it and regard it as an ‘anti-Semitic’ gesture? Is it because many Jews actually identify with ‘the establishment’? And how do we explain the fact that the French government is happy to compromise the most elementary liberties just to appease the French Jewish Lobby (Crif)?

The truth is devastating - Palestine is here and the French people are the Palestinians Du Jour.."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpbI-Z2anlw

Some interesting comments.

" after the forum's latest near-death experience in our last Atzmon thread, I think I need to be clear upfront in this one: I'll regard advocacy here for Atzmon as a violation of RI's posting guidelines." Jeff

http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/ ... on#p473208

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sarcasm off:

Solace, there are no racists here. They are simply not allowed. I saw nothing in any of the comments in this thread to warrant any one of the contributors "racist" thus far.

Well not according to YOUR standards obviously. As far as I'm concerned though if one supports a racist one is themselves a racist. You wanna cut 'em slack, be my guest. It might a different thing if this particular racist and his followers were actively perusing a free speech type of thing but they aren't with talk about too bad no gas chambers and taking stylized nazi salute pics out side places where Jews were killed, including that little girl in Toulouse recently. That's just sick fucking shit. There's no defense for these people unless one agrees with their actions or wants to minimize anti-semitism; both which are racist.

I have no "standards", chief. And I disagree. Just don't be racist as rule of thumb. No commenter in this thread remotely rises to the level of abject racism. Casting aspertions is entirely possible on this here Internet. However, from what I know of the members here, I have seen no racism.

[solace]

sarcasm off:

Solace, there are no racists here. They are simply not allowed. I saw nothing in any of the comments in this thread to warrant any one of the contributors "racist" thus far.

Well not according to YOUR standards obviously. As far as I'm concerned though if one supports a racist one is themselves a racist. You wanna cut 'em slack, be my guest. It might a different thing if this particular racist and his followers were actively perusing a free speech type of thing but they aren't with talk about too bad no gas chambers and taking stylized nazi salute pics out side places where Jews were killed, including that little girl in Toulouse recently. That's just sick fucking shit. There's no defense for these people unless one agrees with their actions or wants to minimize anti-semitism; both which are racist.

I have no "standards", chief. And I disagree. Just don't be racist as rule of thumb. No commenter in this thread remotely rises to the level of abject racism. Casting aspertions is entirely possible on this here Internet. However, from what I know of the members here, I have seen no racism.

Hey, fair enough......chief.

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YOUR'E WELCOME, BRO.

[solace]

“Dieudonné is the spokesman, the godfather, the icon of a new kind of anti-Semitism,” Alain Finkielkraut, the philosopher and memoirist of Jewish identity, told me. “It is an explicitly anti-racist anti-Semitism, which inverts traditional anti-Semitism by asserting that the Nazis today are in fact the Jews. The idiom of anti-Semitism is no longer racism; it is now anti-racism. Dieudonné’s followers say that they don’t hate Jews, they hate Jewish racism. They say that Israel is like Nazism, like apartheid. ”

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007 ... ntPage=all

Where have I heard that shit before?

[Searcher08]

“Dieudonné is the spokesman, the godfather, the icon of a new kind of anti-Semitism,” Alain Finkielkraut, the philosopher and memoirist of Jewish identity, told me. “It is an explicitly anti-racist anti-Semitism, which inverts traditional anti-Semitism by asserting that the Nazis today are in fact the Jews. The idiom of anti-Semitism is no longer racism; it is now anti-racism. Dieudonné’s followers say that they don’t hate Jews, they hate Jewish racism. They say that Israel is like Nazism, like apartheid. ”

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007 ... ntPage=all

Where have I heard that shit before?

Like AD, you direct a lot of questions to yourself.

I take it that you are a supporter of the ADL, AIPAC and JINSA to the extent that you regard being questioned on that subject as an example of 'fucking virulent anti-Semitic racism'.

Your silence on Israeli racism condemns you with exquisite eloquence.

[Wombaticus Rex]

Your silence on Israeli racism condemns you with exquisite eloquence.

Glad to see the circular firing squad is still hard at work!

I think if we've learned anything in the past year, it is the stark fact that many -- if not most! -- members of the RI forum are directly responsible for some of the worst human rights abuses in recent history, including at least a dozen genocides.

If we can't work out precisely who is to blame here, and more importantly, convince them they're horrible people, I see no hope for the outside world beyond this Canadian internet discussion group.

I salute you all for your important work detecting the impure amongst us. May your crusade never end!