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Thanks Ahab! Happy New Year to you!
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Good. There has been an intrest in the subject for awhile now. I'm glad to see this op.
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^ I don't know yet. So far it's looking like a limited op, but that's better than naught I guess. They're avoiding the harder stuff.
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I feel it must be so difficult for survivors of this crap to come forward, as protection seems doubtful, honeypot-ing very prevalent - and the perps are protected by both the procedures and policies of intel agencies (using these networks for national security reasons and because it makes money and power for their friends). I am sure that by the end of 2015, MUCH MUCH more is going to have come out.
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Happy New Year Willow!Project Willow » Sat Jan 03, 2015 1:51 pm wrote:Thanks Ahab! Happy New Year to you!
Seems like a strange thread to say it in, and I'm also a wee bit late, but all the best to you and to Borne.
There was an interview with Dame Butler-Sloss on Radio 4 Women's Hour recently which showed exactly why she was the wrong woman for the job of chairing this overarching "historic" abuse inquiry.
She reckons that victims, and advocates for victims, are not really qualified to judge the evidence that is continually emerging, and that the public as a whole would be better off just leaving the clean-up job to well-established legal experts of long standing like herself, who would've been fine and done great things if they had just been left to get on with it...
But if this whole process had been left to establishment experts and legal eagles like her, there would never have been any realistic prospect of an inquiry at all. It would've un-happened. She is known to have deliberately covered up child sexual abuse by two prominent CoE Bishops while she was in a position of power to do so, so why are we supposed to believe that she got honest on the same subject later?
She would have made this inquiry, and the allegations involved, go away.
Just like they did for thirty years preceding her appointment to the post.
Maybe that's what she meant?
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I try to remember: there are secrets that never come to light. Even among the subset of those secrets that do get exposed, some are literally censored completely. Additionally, people tend to have a subconscious expectation that if the newspaper were to be censored, the censorship itself would be a major reported news item. We have no idea of what has been censored, that's the point.
We really have very little information about all sorts of grisly topics, but "rigorous intuition" sure has been vindicated as a technique. Here we are years after Jeff's blog was active and his prognostication and speculation about the "private lives" of royalty and business leaders turned out to be spot-fucking-on. And all he did was pay attention.
We really have very little information about all sorts of grisly topics, but "rigorous intuition" sure has been vindicated as a technique. Here we are years after Jeff's blog was active and his prognostication and speculation about the "private lives" of royalty and business leaders turned out to be spot-fucking-on. And all he did was pay attention.
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/we ... ry-4957409
A victim of a VIP paedophile ring believes a girl of 15 was killed at a vile orgy.
The new witness has told police he watched the teenager being taken into a terrifying “medical room” by a senior Tory MP – and never saw her again.
The sickening events are said to have taken place at London’s notorious Dolphin Square flats in the 1990s, the Sunday People can reveal.
He fears the teenager may have been killed by a brutal sadist acting out his horrific fantasies.
It would make her the fourth reported murder victim of a Westminster-based pervert ring, some of them household names.
The witness told the investigative website Exaro that he was himself abused while in his teens by prominent politicians and a famous comedian at the now notorious Dolphin Square complex in central London.
We are calling the man Darren, although that is not his real name because he lives in hiding, fearing for his own life. He is the third alleged victim of the gang to come forward.
Darren told us: “I would never have gone to those parties willingly. It was fear that led me to Dolphin Square.”
Recalling the night in 1993 he believes a girl died, he said: “I witnessed a senior Tory politician go into the medical room with a girl who I know was 15.
“This was a bedroom containing a hospital-type bed with shackles, gimp masks and a tiled, washable floor.
“She was 15 and in care. I didn’t know her name but had been bumping into her for years at paedophile parties. I had been trafficked for sex since I was a young boy, initially by my father.
“She had a smashing smile and wore braces on her teeth.
“I never saw her leave that room, in fact I never saw her again. I fear she may have been killed.”
Darren has identified the exact apartment in the luxury Dolphin Square complex where he claims abuse parties were held while he was a teenager.
He says he was taken to up to 20 orgies, which were attended by around 30 VIPs, and has described ordeals – including beatings with a cane – to Scotland Yard detectives investigating a string of historic sex abuse claims.
A former Tory cabinet minister already named to police by another alleged abuse victim, a Labour minister, and the famous TV comedy actor are among well-known faces he says were at Dolphin Square in the 1990s.
Darren claims he was driven to sex parties by the notorious paedophile Peter Righton, a former government adviser who had been recently fined for having indecent images of boys.
Righton would collect Darren and other boys from children’s homes in Suffolk and drive them to London in a luxury car, complete with leather seats and electric windows.
At Dolphin Square they would go to a four-bedroom serviced flat that had been rented out.
He recalled: “Guests would be standing around, chatting and drinking. There would be women there but they would leave before any sex took place.
"The attitude seemed to be that they would leave early so the boys could have their fun.”
Darren said that there were “very powerful” people at the gatherings. He went on: “They stood out a mile. I saw a former Labour minister at one party.
“They were very protective of their jackets. I think they were worried the boys would steal their wallets.”
Darren claimed violation and humiliation inflicted on youngsters at Dolphin Square became a familiar routine to him.
He said: “This Tory cabinet minister always insisted I should be presented to him with ladies’ underwear on beneath my clothes.
“The game he liked to play was that he would pretend he had spotted that I was wearing the lingerie.
“He would tell me I was a naughty boy for turning him on and take me into a bedroom and punish me.
"I was spanked with a bamboo cane that he brought with him, which was painful. I was then sexually abused.
“He liked boys to dress up in lacy women’s underwear. He would make a game of it.
"The minister would be accompanied by a minder who stayed outside while I was abused.”
The Dolphin Square apartment had three rooms specially fitted out and decorated to cater for the tastes of party guests, Darren said.
He claimed the spanking ex-minister preferred a bedroom known as the “leopard room” because it had a leopard skin rug.
Another was known as the “gay room” because it was “flowery and effeminate”.
Darren claimed that in this room he was forced to give oral sex to the famous comedian. He said: “At first he was an interested spectator at the parties but then decided to take part.
"He was much kinder and more considerate than the others but it was still unpleasant.”
The worst of the three rooms was the so-called “medical room”.
Darren said: “This was the bedroom you did not want to be taken into. Fortunately, I was never taken in there but I remember one boy who did.
"He had been dressed up in tight leather shorts and went in with a senior Tory politician and some other men.
“I met him afterwards and he told me he had suffered humiliation too vile to describe and was then beaten up.”
Darren said the brutalised boy was under 16 at the time.
He recalled that traumatised children would gather in the kitchen at Dolphin Square to comfort each other after their ordeals. He admitted he was given £50 each time he attended a child abuse party.
But he insisted he only went because evil Righton forced him to. He said: “I would never have gone to those parties willingly – it was fear of Righton.
“One occasion when he attacked me stands out. It happened after I was taken into a bedroom with the famous TV personality and Peter was driving us back to Suffolk.
“I kept saying the name of the comic character played by the actor and saying that he was at the party. Peter kept saying, ‘No he wasn’t.’
“Then he suddenly swung a tremendous punch, while still keeping control of the car. It hit me flush on the chin and I may have passed out. It was a warning to keep my mouth shut.”
Darren was interviewed over three days by Met Police detectives and named his abusers.
His account bears chilling similarities to allegations by a victim known as Nick, who claims three abused boys were killed in the 1980s.
His evidence is being investigated by Scotland Yard’s Operation Midland.
Officers have spoken to the families of two lads, Martin Allen and Vishal Mehrotra, who vanished in London.
Among those named by Darren is the recently convicted paedophile Charles Napier.
Darren says Napier abused him when he was 15 at Righton’s home. Righton ordered Darren to give Napier oral sex and when the horrified lad refused he was beaten until he complied.
He added: “I was kicked and punched in front of Napier, who stood there smirking. I had no choice and so I did as I was told. I was ordered to have sex with Napier on two other occasions.”
Napier, 67, is the half-brother of Conservative MP John Whittingdale.
The former treasurer of the Paedophile Information Exchange, Napier was jailed last month after pleading guilty to 31 counts of indecent assault against boys as young as eight at a school where he worked.
Darren continued: “Peter abused me repeatedly when I was 15, as well as forcing me to have sex with other men.
"By the age of 16, I was no longer to his taste, he liked younger boys. But he still trafficked me around.
“I was 17 when Peter began taking me with other teenagers to Dolphin Square. I am sure he was making a mint organising paedophile sex parties.
"We were all aged between 14 and 17.”
Righton, who died in 2007, was one of Britain’s leading specialists in child care – but was also a founder of the Paedophile Information Exchange.
Darren’s testimony directly supports a claim made in Parliament by Labour MP Tom Watson, which linked Righton to a VIP paedophile ring.
And it adds to a picture of abuse at Dolphin Square first revealed by Exaro last July.

Victim: Darren was used by VIPs
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http://m.richmondandtwickenhamtimes.co. ... buse_dies/
A former children’s home boss charged with indecently assaulting young boys has died weeks before a court appearance.
John Stingemore, 72, was charged with abusing young boys in the Elm Guest House during the 1980s and was due to appear in court on February 2.
A spokeswoman from the coroner’s office in Hastings, near where he lived in St Leonards-on-Sea, said: “He has passed away."
Police said he was found dead on Wednesday at 3.18pm at his house after a call from a member of the public. They said he was collapsed and discovered to be dead. His death was not being treated by police as suspicious.
Zac Goldsmith, MP for Richmond Park, said: "It’s very disappointing. I am hugely disappointed that the abuse victims will be denied justice now that he has died, and worse, that this man cannot be mined for more information about what happened at the guest house.
"That source of information has been closed off."
Mr Stingemore is believed to have died at his home in Kennedy Court, Stonehouse Drive, St Leonards-on-Sea.
Mr Stingemore, who managed Grafton Close children's home near the border of Hanworth and Whitton, was charged in September 2013 with offences dating back to the 1970s, including eight counts of indecent assault, two of taking indecent images of a child and one of conspiracy with persons unknown to commit buggery.
The home was run by Richmond Council.
Victims were said to be between the ages of nine and 15-years-old.
Mr Stingemore was due to appear at Southwark Crown Court on February 2 alongside co-defendant Father Anthony McSweeney, 66, who pleaded not guilty to similar charges in November.
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...and another one...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30938755
Former Home Secretary Leon Brittan has died aged 75 after a long battle with cancer, his family have said.
The former Conservative MP was home secretary in Margaret Thatcher's government from 1983 to 1985.
First elected in 1974, he later became trade and industry secretary and stood down from the Commons when he became a European commissioner in 1989.
His family said paid tribute to his "extraordinary commitment to British public life".
As an MP, he represented the constituencies of Cleveland and Whitby and Richmond in Yorkshire.
BBC political correspondent Carole Walker said Lord Brittan had enjoyed a "meteoric political rise" to the Home Office, where he clashed with striking miners.
His family said he was a beloved husband, stepfather and step-grandfather.
They added: "We also salute his extraordinary commitment to British public life as a member of Parliament, minister, Cabinet minister, European Commissioner and peer - together with a distinguished career in law, and latterly in business.
"Leon passed away last night at his home in London after a long battle with cancer. We shall miss him enormously."
Lord Brittan had come under the spotlight last year as part of the investigation into historical sexual abuse because he was home secretary in 1984 when ministers were handed a dossier on alleged high-profile paedophiles.
He insisted that the proper procedures were followed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30938755
Former Home Secretary Leon Brittan has died aged 75 after a long battle with cancer, his family have said.
The former Conservative MP was home secretary in Margaret Thatcher's government from 1983 to 1985.
First elected in 1974, he later became trade and industry secretary and stood down from the Commons when he became a European commissioner in 1989.
His family said paid tribute to his "extraordinary commitment to British public life".
As an MP, he represented the constituencies of Cleveland and Whitby and Richmond in Yorkshire.
BBC political correspondent Carole Walker said Lord Brittan had enjoyed a "meteoric political rise" to the Home Office, where he clashed with striking miners.
His family said he was a beloved husband, stepfather and step-grandfather.
They added: "We also salute his extraordinary commitment to British public life as a member of Parliament, minister, Cabinet minister, European Commissioner and peer - together with a distinguished career in law, and latterly in business.
"Leon passed away last night at his home in London after a long battle with cancer. We shall miss him enormously."
Lord Brittan had come under the spotlight last year as part of the investigation into historical sexual abuse because he was home secretary in 1984 when ministers were handed a dossier on alleged high-profile paedophiles.
He insisted that the proper procedures were followed.
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Any informed speculation about who this is? 1990s? Please not Rowan Atkinson.semper occultus » Mon Jan 12, 2015 7:55 pm wrote:The witness told the investigative website Exaro that he was himself abused while in his teens by prominent politicians and a famous comedian at the now notorious Dolphin Square complex in central London.
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A former Tory cabinet minister already named to police by another alleged abuse victim, a Labour minister, and the famous TV comedy actor are among well-known faces he says were at Dolphin Square in the 1990s.
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Darren claimed that in this room he was forced to give oral sex to the famous comedian. He said: “At first he was an interested spectator at the parties but then decided to take part.
"He was much kinder and more considerate than the others but it was still unpleasant.”
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“One occasion when he attacked me stands out. It happened after I was taken into a bedroom with the famous TV personality and Peter was driving us back to Suffolk.
“I kept saying the name of the comic character played by the actor and saying that he was at the party. Peter kept saying, ‘No he wasn’t.’
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then again, please not Mel Smith but, you know........
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Mmmmm. Smith had a booze and drug problem. The way the above is phrased makes it sound like a sitcom star though (one character), rather than a sketch comedian. Please not David Jason...
Although, as you say, "though the heavens may fall." And it's not like we know these guys, is it? We just like their work. That artificial sense of familiarity with someone whose face you see a lot provides a lot of cover in these things.
Although, as you say, "though the heavens may fall." And it's not like we know these guys, is it? We just like their work. That artificial sense of familiarity with someone whose face you see a lot provides a lot of cover in these things.
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...a good question...about which I haven't seen any speculation whatsoever...
...thespians haven't loomed particulalry large in this whole farrago......there was WiIlfrid Bramble who was an old school actor who played Old Man Steptoe in the comedy Steptoe & Son - so was pretty old in the mid 70's - who has cropped up but I didn't relate him to that particular story....
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... lower.html
...thespians haven't loomed particulalry large in this whole farrago......there was WiIlfrid Bramble who was an old school actor who played Old Man Steptoe in the comedy Steptoe & Son - so was pretty old in the mid 70's - who has cropped up but I didn't relate him to that particular story....
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... lower.html