Don't You Miss When This Was Just CT Paranoia?

JackRiddler · Post by **JackRiddler** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 6:45 pm

IanEye wrote:
AlicetheKurious wrote: As for "America manipulating the religious right", you're ignoring the fact that the religious right only became such a powerful force in American politics after the Likud was elected to power in Israel in 1977. The Likud, under the leadership of Menachem Begin, immediately executed a plan to transform the then disorganized, fragmented, politically weak religious right in the U.S. into a powerful weapon in Israel's hands.
Any individual who falls for the bullshit above is an idiot.

Absolutely. It's mind-boggling, isn't it?

(That's Billy Sunday preaching.)

It's only a matter of time before Alice tells us a Jew wrote a memo encouraging the Salem witch-burnings.

However, IanEye, I think there's a more important question:

What is an individual who promotes this bullshit systematically, eloquently, and without fail, in every post she makes?

A very well organized and persistent idiot?

I don't believe that's the story.

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Searcher08 · Post by **Searcher08** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:40 pm

Ringside Commentary
Alice was winning on points, but nearly punched her own lights with that one and is currently staggering round the ring.
JackRiddler has lost his chance and is pounding his tiny man-fists on the canvas in rage.
Some members of the audience are now throwing popcorn into the ring.

Please continue.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIYySjIyy_I

American Dream · Post by **American Dream** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:27 pm

Searcher08 wrote:

Alice was winning on points, but nearly punched her own lights with that one and is currently staggering round the ring.
JackRiddler has lost his chance and is pounding his tiny man-fists on the canvas in rage.
Some members of the audience are now throwing popcorn into the ring.

Please continue.

Searcher08 · Post by **Searcher08** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:42 pm

A_D, that is the best picture ever made
I laughed till I nearly passed out!

:snoopdance:

Nordic · Post by **Nordic** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:52 am

Jack's response to Alice is nothing but pure hysteria.

So .... why the hysteria, Jack?

And is that the best you can come up with? As far as refuting what she's said?

I don't really see any refutation, save for examples of fundamental evangelical christianity in the United States prior to 1977.

However, she has a point that good ol' redneck racist white-bred Christianity used to be extremely anti-Jew. No? I mean, there were blacks, there were Jews, there were Catholics. All bad.

Then, and I have watched this transition occur IN MY OWN FAMILY, at about the time Alice mentions, where suddenly the good old redneck white racist Christians start talking all starry-eyed about Israel and the Jews. Led by Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell and the rest of them.

My point? Is that she has a point. I have yet to see, in fact, a better history of the situation laid out in front of me, a history that actually makes sense given the current BIZARRE situation.

So Jack, it's kind of fun to keep watching your head explode, although I find it kind of disgusting, honestly. It's kind of like the chimpanzee I saw at the zoo today, that decided to climb up on a rock and take a big old shit right in the faces of the human watching. My 7 year old son laughed his ass off, I about threw up.

I'm not even saying I'm buying into Alice's history 100%, but I sure appreciate her point of view, and it sure is different than anything anyone in America has sent my way. We're behind an informational iron curtain over here, and when there are things that are utterly inexplicable, like this PERVERSE relationship between tiny Israel and big bad United States, I, for one, am grateful for anyone who takes an effort that tries to explain it in ways that do not read, to me, do not feel, to me, do not smell, to me, like bullshit.

JackRiddler · Post by **JackRiddler** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 4:09 am

Nordic,

As most of what you say is bizarre non-sequitur (sounds like your son had a fun time, at least) and none of it relates to anything I actually wrote, please don't let me disturb your recollections of the good old days when evangelicals hated Jews and you weren't so confused.

PS - The chimp was behaving naturally. Unlike your pretend-naive tag-team assists for Stormfront Lite.

8bitagent · Post by **8bitagent** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:08 am

Nordic wrote:However, she has a point that good ol' redneck racist white-bred Christianity used to be extremely anti-Jew. No? I mean, there were blacks, there were Jews, there were Catholics. All bad.

Then, and I have watched this transition occur IN MY OWN FAMILY, at about the time Alice mentions, where suddenly the good old redneck white racist Christians start talking all starry-eyed about Israel and the Jews. Led by Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell and the rest of them.

Now you've brought up a VERY interesting point.

Call me crazy, but isn't it the racists who now love Israel and support Israel's every war crime?

I mean, look how much Cheney and the gang or Fox News supported every Muslim child blown up by IDF munitions. "Israel can do no wrong!"

Isn't what Israel has done, from the Ringworm radiation experiments and La Von Affair to Sabra and Shatila to the more recent bloodbaths in Palestine and Lebanon RACIST?

I saw a documentary a few years ago on the "Zionist Christian" movement, basically fundamentalist end timer Christians who are obsessed with Israel as it fits into their sick little apocalyptic scenario.

I hate all evil oppressive governments. Be it Saudi Arabia, China, North Korea, Sudan, Israel, Egypt, Iran, America, England, Indonesia,
Burma/Myanmar, you name it. I've no special little bias against one nation or another, to me evil is evil.

IanEye · Post by **IanEye** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 8:09 am

Just to be clear, my problem with the statements I quoted was the idea that the religious right wasn't a 'powerful force' before 1977. That just isn't true. Did events occur after 1977 that caused certain religious factions in the U.S. to form closer alliances with the Likud Party? Perhaps.
But they had plenty of power before that.

erosoplier · Post by **erosoplier** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 10:11 am

Jack, you are accusing Alice of being a stromfront agent, you have avoided directly addressing the substance of the posts she has recently made - the very ones you find so deeply offensive - and you have joined in with others who, likewise, have avoided the substance of her posts, but have mocked what they have identified as the weakest detail of her recent posts. And you accuse her of effectively poisoning the 911 truth well with this “stromfront material" of hers.

The funny thing is, you are the one using the stromfront slur to stifle the discussion. Stromfront is your ally on this discussion board right now, not Alice’s. You invoked it here on this thread, and you use it in an attempt to put yourself at an advantage, and Alice at a disadvantage. Something you find so odious, is actually the means you are attempting to use to win an argument on a discussion board without going to the effort of actually arguing anything to do with the facts of the matter. All you do is cast the slur, and cast the slur, and cast the slur, and bingo, you win!

It’s a neat trick if you can get it to work, but I’m not liking your chances in this particular case.

I kind of get the feeling that this thread wouldn't have taken the direction it did if it wasn't a Saturday night. Know what I mean?

American Dream · Post by **American Dream** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 10:24 am

OK, so anti-Semitic Theory (e.g. most "World Jewish Conspiracy" models) has made significant inroads in Conspiracy-land. However, there are guidelines on this board that limit the acceptability of that sort of thing.

Why not take your more inflammatory ideas to places where they are clearly welcome?

JackRiddler · Post by **JackRiddler** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 10:39 am

erosoplier wrote:Jack, you are accusing Alice of being a stromfront agent

Nope. I sarcastically called her the stormfront theory department. They could use one, you know. She's well suited to the task. I don't know if you've followed two years worth of her cries of "zionazi" and slurs on me as helper to the "Zionists" because of my factual responses to her exaggerations, and at this point I don't care.

http://rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewtopic.php?t=22343

erosoplier · Post by **erosoplier** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 10:56 am

American Dream wrote:OK, so anti-Semitic Theory (e.g. most "World Jewish Conspiracy" models) has made significant inroads in Conspiracy-land. However, there are guidelines on this board that limit the acceptability of that sort of thing.

Why not take your more inflammatory ideas to places where they are clearly welcome?

All you can do is variations on the anti-semitism slur?

Why don't you fearlessly pursue the truth? That way one day you might end up living in the Republic you were brought up to believe you lived in.

American Dream · Post by **American Dream** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:11 am

I've been looking at all these things quite seriously for many, many years now.

I have no doubt that anti-Semitic Theory is a very serious blight on the Movement (such as it is), and has been a boon to ruling elites for a long, long time.

Please note that I am not referring to deep analysis of Israeli covert ops, or anything remotely like that. I am referring to anti-Semitic Theory.

P.S. I am well aware of the problems with the term "anti-Semitic" but it is the most commonly understood term out there for the type of racism which I am referring to.

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JackRiddler · Post by **JackRiddler** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:14 am

erosoplier wrote:
All you can do is variations on the anti-semitism slur?

Why don't you fearlessly pursue the truth? That way one day you might end up living in the Republic you were brought up to believe you lived in.

The truth? Why don't you tell us. Did this Republic ever exist? When did it stop, in your view? Who was responsible?

Sounder · Post by **Sounder** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:30 am

erosoplier wrote...

Stormfront is your ally on this discussion board right now, not Alice’s.

dido on the rest of that also.

sensible qualification IanEye

The religious right was anti-semitic till round about the time Pat was given his plane.

The anti-semitic trope is meaningless in the way that AD uses it.

In my case, because I am a 'non-traditional' thinker, most 'smart' people will not give me the time of day. Yet three of my 'mentors' were Jewish, in a loose usage of that term (mentor not Jew). Being that they were willing to spend significant time with me, I do not think that even in the deepest recesses of my heart, that I harbor negativity for Jews as Jews. Maybe (somewhere) I resent that they were smarter than me, but I doubt it considering that I have always looked for help to displace my ignorance. One was even a Zionist, super smart, but he never did convert me.

May your dream become your nightmare AD.