Jesus Christ: a Rigorous Discussion (or not)

[minime]

I don't know, bounce it off the writers.

Get it?

[Elihu]

He's the Savior of me a sinner. We are the only kind of people He saves.

In order for there to be Good News there has to be bad news. What's the Good News? In the Old Testament it was do, do, do, do, do everything perfect at all times. Now, it's do nothing. Don't do anything! but Believe. Believe what?

1Cor15 :Let me now remind you, dear brothers and sisters of the Good News I preached to you before. You welcomed it then, and you still stand firm in it. It is this Good News that saves you if you continue to believe the message I told you—unless, of course, you believed something that was never true in the first place.
I passed on to you what was most important and what had also been passed on to me. Christ died for our sins, just as the Scriptures said. He was buried, and he was raised from the dead on the third day, just as the Scriptures said.

That's it full stop. You got that you got Salvation. Not repent. Believe! Then you're God's child forever. There's plenty more to learn but man, that's Good News.

[Grizzly]

Personal eschatology? Peter Thiel's Antichrist.

[Elihu]

No man knows the day or the hour but it will come unexpectedly. Today is the day of Salvation

[Handsome B. Wonderful]

This is what I believe: Jesus or the Hebrew version, which is what I prefer, Yeshua, is not God. He is the Son of God. I no longer believe in a holy trinity as it were, but rather God the Father and Yeshua the Son as two distinct beings. There are instances where he refers to the Father as "my God". Also in Matthew, he says of his return no one knows the hour but the Father alone. Not even the angels of heaven. I thought, "How could one part of your being not know something the other doesn't? Is he a split personality?" Hardly.

Incidentally, are we in satan's little season? Was Tartaria proof of Yeshua's millennial kingdom? I don't think so, but I thought it interesting none the less.

[Elihu]

I think of it thusly that the Trinity are distinct but that they cannot have differing thoughts or plans or motivations or opinions. Each ratifies, confirms, reveals and executes in perfect continuity no matter their relative stations. And hence they can be said to be "One". After all, with our limited comprehension, what would God look like should he choose to reveal himself? And it says that God in his wisdom sees to it that the world will never find him through human investigation or reasoning. Only Faith. It also says Christ was hated for the very reason that he equated himself with God. Christ said things in certain places such as "I come from the Father and the Father is greater than I" and also the passage mentioned about not knowing the day nor the hour but the Father only. I think it is important to look at the four Gospels in toto in order to get the full perspective. None of the foregoing nullifying equality. I could be mistaken but I thought the only time Christ referred to "my God" instead of "Father" was the last moments on the cross. Taking the place of and suffering the fate of sinners He was forsaken by God. But death could not hold him because he was sinless and thus the contract "the wages of sin is death" was broken and Christ became the Door, the Way, the only escape route from Hell and belief is the paid-in-full free ticket. Good News.

[BenDhyan]

The Jesus bible story is esoteric, it is not meant to be understood by the profane who imagine that religion has to do with conceptualization, a dualistic imagined reality.

Jesus said to the profane, I am not of this world, but you are. John 8:23

Jesus explained that the Kingdom of 'God' was within, not outside as is the world experienced by humans Luke 17:21

This world is an illusion created by the ego to maintain the separation from 'God'.

The Holy Spirit is the inner guide who helps reinterpret the world and lead us back to truth, ie., absolute reality.

[Elihu]

Believe not every spirit, but test them

[Elihu]

is esoteric

some take it literally. i am literal so He literally had to die for me not to make it about me. He was real and it really happened. Today it is Grace. personal eschatology? count seven from the last person saved. what comes after is there in the book, waiting to be read. Still gotta believe it