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8bitagent » Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:20 pm wrote:I feel it cannot be understated that the left has become the very thing they were against: the Bush idiots. The people who didnt care Bush rigged the 2000 election, is a war monger, in bed with
wall street and globalist interests and above the law. Such a surreal time.

Compelled to concur. I still vividly remember dubya's surreally hateful, ignorant, unAmerican base. The parallels with today's empowered supposed leftists is heartwrenching. The right has its share of crazies, but the right is rightly pissed off about corruption, and all they hear from the left is they're a bunch of racists, and appear to ignore the corruption. There is insurmountable divide brewing/being brewed, and it appears the left are as willing to bridge it as dubya's dittoheads were. Progressives were supposed to be, I thought, more considerate and humane. If and however shit falls apart, it is sad for me to now understand that 'leftists' will shoulder as much if not more of the blame. Where are the LOUD and clear unifying voices of reason?

Somewhat tangentially related, would Sanders be crowing differently if it were Cruz, Rubio, or Jeb? Sanders is a party man, even without the party!? He keeps repeating that the Trump threat is too great, but I've become convinced he would have stumped just as hard for his empress even if it were a more reasonable opponent

The system is corrupt.

I can't speak for the left. I don't vote. I don't like racism, sexism, the media, capitalism, war, authority, the establishment. I'm not an anarchist, or anything. I just do the best I can with the tools available.

Ideological capture.

"The Left" being discussed the past two pages have been more like centrists, moderates, neoliberals, the center right, etc - and they are. Remember that only about 5% of the population voted for Clinton in the primaries. There's a lot of room there for an actual left. It's just that the media and democrats are fucking loud.

Wombaticus Rex » Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:36 pm wrote:

JackRiddler » Thu Oct 13, 2016 6:31 am wrote:Previews of coming releases are bullshit or if you prefer shit-stirring until proven otherwise. In fact, previews of coming releases are practically an admission it's a wish, not a reality.

Also, who at this point is "Anonymous"? A few have been arrested, and we never bother to track that. What are the odds the original collective is still at it?

Really stretches credulity to accept that a video of a US president engaged in rape was 1) accessible to hackers of any skill level, and 2) existed on a server anywhere to begin with.

You put shit like that in a safe. In a locked room. In a locked floor of a locked building.

On an island.

Yeah I was going to say, if this is real, it was probably gained through physical means and / or social engineering.

"Rape culture" and bemoaning men's rights are excellent examples of the left I was referencing, seemingly oblivious to its sneering, divisive naivite, and more widespread than some DC neoliberal echo chamber

Luther Blissett » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:29 pm wrote:Yeah I was going to say, if this is real, it was probably gained through physical means and / or social engineering.

If this is real, it would already be out or on the way without need of pre-announcement. So I figure it's just shit-stirring.

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lyrimal » Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:12 pm wrote:"Rape culture" and bemoaning men's rights are excellent examples of the left I was referencing, seemingly oblivious to its sneering, divisive naivite, and more widespread than some DC neoliberal echo chamber

Not really a fan of the term 'rape culture.' I prefer 'troll culture.'

Men's rights is just silly.

Harvey » Thu Oct 13, 2016 7:38 pm wrote:Ideological capture.

As usual, "the left" is everything people not of the left feel like saying it is. Usually "the left" is some kind of bizarroland rendering of the liberals and secular center-right (Clinton politics) as though that is "left." You see that on this board, a lot. Occasionally, the liberals and secular center-right claim "the left" so as to mark the border -- everything beyond their thing is extremism or just incoherence. On the infrequent occasions when the actual left-of-liberalism is acknowledged, it is treated as some crazy random people on the street who cannot even tell you what they want. Pretending not to get it, because it's so crazy, is part of the game. This is how Clinton was talking about Sanders' supporters in some of the released goodies. People who live in their parents' basements and want to make the country like Sweden, "whatever that means." Because it's s fucking inconceivable, Sweden does not really exist, it's a fantasy, right?

Don't mistake me for defending the Democratic candidate or the corporate media monopoly, but I can't let this statement stand unchallenged.

A lot of my closer Sanders supporters friends have even awoken to the fact that there's a total media blackout on the Wikileaks thing and anything that may harm Clinton's national spotlight.

8bit, complaints may be made about the quality or tenor of the reporting, but "total media blackout" is total BS, as in not at all accurate.

Clinton Aide Urged Denying Any Secrets Were Sent: WikiLeaks
Bloomberg

What WikiLeaks hack says about Clinton: Our view
USA Today


Hacked WikiLeaks emails show concerns about Clinton candidacy, email server
Washington Post

Leaked Speech Excerpts Show a Hillary Clinton at Ease With Wall Street
BBC

Clinton Campaign Deals With Fallout Of WikiLeaks Revelations
NPR

etc.

https://www.google.com/search?q=clinton ... ks&tbm=nws

Took me about a minute to find several major news organizations, all on first two pages of Google results, and I skipped over many more questionable domains that spring to the top.

So please, let me get this straight. And please correct me where I am wrong.

So Hillary Clinton, who gets tens of millions of dollars from Saudi Arabia(who helped engineer 9/11 and finances ISIS according to even Clinton emails),
whose married to a serial rapist and who's top right hand woman Huma Abedin is married to a pedophile pervert, is able to get away with the INSANE
tidal wave of corruption being exposed by Wikileaks because of her husband's golfing buddy Trump being covered 24-7 by the news media.
While the entire so called "leftist" alt media(Huffpo, Dailybeast, Raw Story, ect) colludes with the Clinton campaign and media to BURY and BLACKLIST
any negative or Wikileaks stories about Clinton

As Clinton is BACKED by the majority of neocons, and the Bush family. And Wall Street, whom wikileaks shows shes truly in the pocket of.

Yeah...and Im a bad "leftist" for opposing this woman who is sworn to bring us toward world war with Russia, and who cheated the last decent politician(Bernie Sanders)

Have at it SLAD and company, Hillary is as bad as Bush/Cheney...but may end up proving to be even worse than those jackals

mentalgongfu2 » Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:24 am wrote:Don't mistake me for defending the Democratic candidate or the corporate media monopoly, but I can't let this statement stand unchallenged.

A lot of my closer Sanders supporters friends have even awoken to the fact that there's a total media blackout on the Wikileaks thing and anything that may harm Clinton's national spotlight.

8bit, complaints may be made about the quality or tenor of the reporting, but "total media blackout" is total BS, as in not at all accurate.

Clinton Aide Urged Denying Any Secrets Were Sent: WikiLeaks
Bloomberg

What WikiLeaks hack says about Clinton: Our view
USA Today


Hacked WikiLeaks emails show concerns about Clinton candidacy, email server
Washington Post

Leaked Speech Excerpts Show a Hillary Clinton at Ease With Wall Street
BBC

Clinton Campaign Deals With Fallout Of WikiLeaks Revelations
NPR

etc.

https://www.google.com/search?q=clinton ... ks&tbm=nws

Took me about a minute to find several major news organizations, all on first two pages of Google results, and I skipped over many more questionable domains that spring to the top.

You said, "8bit, complaints may be made about the quality or tenor of the reporting, but "total media blackout" is total BS, as in not at all accurate. ", ok....so you honestly feel the Wikileaks exposure of Clinton
is being covered in the media? Outside of Counter Punch and Democracy Now, the only two leftist media site with any integrity, Im not seeing it. I see nothing but 100% nonstop Trump accusations.
(yet they refuse to cover Bill Clinton's rape victims)

Maybe we're not talking about the same thing? Cause I'm pretty sure I just posted a bunch of examples of media coverage related to Clinton and wikileaks...

8bitagent » Fri Oct 14, 2016 2:17 am wrote:So please, let me get this straight. And please correct me where I am wrong.

I think you're wrong for letting it get you so crazy upset, caps locking words and stuff.

Maybe for putting too much hope in Sanders, and the democratic process.

And taking the media at face value.

And being surprised and shocked that any dirt on Clinton isn't getting the traction you'd like to see.

I don't think you're a 'bad leftist' for not supporting Clinton. I don't support Clinton. I'm not a leftist, though. I'm just bad. ha

I was once a bad leftist, when I refused to become an apologist for the Obama administration. It was a good thing, a learning experience. But I didn't get all contentious about it. I just dropped out of that scene, found a different one.

Now I'm so far left I don't even identify with the left. I get along with the left, mostly. But I can have a civil discussion with just about anyone in person, except christian fundamentalists. They always seem to become heated.

The internet is different. People are not whole people. They're like ghosts, 'astral projecting' in a digital world. It's tough to connect with a ghost.

8bitagent » Fri Oct 14, 2016 2:17 am wrote:So please, let me get this straight. And please correct me where I am wrong.

So Hillary Clinton, who gets tens of millions of dollars from Saudi Arabia(who helped engineer 9/11 and finances ISIS according to even Clinton emails),
whose married to a serial rapist and who's top right hand woman Huma Abedin is married to a pedophile pervert, is able to get away with the INSANE
tidal wave of corruption being exposed by Wikileaks because of her husband's golfing buddy Trump being covered 24-7 by the news media.
While the entire so called "leftist" alt media(Huffpo, Dailybeast, Raw Story, ect) colludes with the Clinton campaign and media to BURY and BLACKLIST
any negative or Wikileaks stories about Clinton

As Clinton is BACKED by the majority of neocons, and the Bush family. And Wall Street, whom wikileaks shows shes truly in the pocket of.

Yeah...and Im a bad "leftist" for opposing this woman who is sworn to bring us toward world war with Russia, and who cheated the last decent politician(Bernie Sanders)

Have at it SLAD and company, Hillary is as bad as Bush/Cheney...but may end up proving to be even worse than those jackals

I love it! My friends and family are hard-core pushing Hillary right now, even when 4 months ago they were booing and hissing at her name (being Sanders supporters). The specter of Trump and of a Republican White House is too much for them. They are now completely blinded to anything negative about Clinton. These same people hated Bush and everything he stood for, but when a news article comes out that the Bushs are supporting Clinton, they wave it around like a banner to be proud of - not because they suddenly love Bush, but because it's another sign of how terrible Trump is. Funny, I'd have thought that G.W. Bush endorsing a candidate would be a bad thing?! Not in this new form of Liberal politics.

I do have to disagree with the Wikileaks blackout, though . . . I get what 8bitagent is saying. The media is not FOCUSING on the wikileaks stories at all, but they are present. CNN has had wikileaks stories on top of its website, but it's one little link out of 25, while Trump gets a big picture on top and 5 articles and opinion pieces. The Wikileaks stuff is there for posterity, but its almost an afterthought. Fox News (curse their name!) actually have a few more Wikileaks stories at the top of their page, competing with Trump for space. There is definite bias regarding the Wikileaks stories, but it's not a complete blackout.

But it doesn't matter. The core Democrats I've talked to read the Wikileaks stuff and their response is "I'm still not seeing the corruption". And they are correct . . . there is no criminal evidence that would hold up in a court. The Clintons and their team are too smart about that stuff, though. It's not corruption like Blagovich selling Senate seats (and recording phone conversations about it!). It's the insider corruption and convolution of connected people, the media and political elite, that the alt-right has (correctly) rallied against, but has become acceptable in Democratic circles.

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Folks -- you're allowing all the white noise to clutter your perception. Take a step back, close your eyes,  breathe in...now open your eyes.

As alluded previously it appears increasingly clear Trump has been shrewdly INSERTED as the "other" candidate in ant‎icipation of the 11th hour shitstorm Hillary's emails/Bill's 'glad hands', etc would bring to the table.

How fortuitous, the timing of these 'leaked' videos/audio clips of Trump "exposing" himself (as if his vile machinations weren't already abundantly clear), essentially neutralizing the impact of any negative/'revelatory' press Re: Clinton that manages to shove its way past the FILTERING process.

It's not fortuitous at all, is it?

The standard sleight of hand magic. We're dealing with adepts, needless to say.