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Shortly after the emergency squad set out from Storøya, was the small, overloaded dinghy engine failure and began taking in water. Here they landed on Utøya after having switched to a civilian boat.

- Out of the question to put out a boat from the pier Utvika

Several criticized the police for the choice of starting point and the boat. Police face criticism directed at them.

In Aftenposten Thursday several eye witnesses level a number of critical questions about police procedure in connection with the massacre of Utøya.

More describes how desperate they were that it took a long time before the police arrived, and that the first police patrol served as observation post and controlled the traffic to and from the island.

They believe that if police had used a camping boat from Utvika, they would have been on Utøya 25 minutes before the emergency squad took to land.

- There was a swarm of boats here. There were also people at the pier with access to the boat, said one of the guests on Utvika camping to Aftenposten today.

Besides criticizing the witnesses, who participated in rescue work, the emergency squad chose to stake out Storøya - located 3.8 km from Utøya - in a small rubber boat that proved to be ineffective: It had a breakdown and started taking on water .

The rescue was a boat that was located nearby which was used to get terrified and injured children from the water.

Utvika Camping is not suitable

In a statement today the police denied, however, that it was appropriate to put out a boat from the pier at Utvika camping, just 600 meters from Utøya.

- Kaia by Utøya pier has not båtutsettingsplass, and it was not known that it was possible to put the boat there. For tactical reasons, this was also unacceptable in relation to the information that was available, said chief of staff in Northern Buskerud Police District, Magne Rustad.

Utvika camping was not an option as the choice for the command post for the sake of the civilians who were there, said Rust, who says the Keystone Kops chose Storøya for several reasons.

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At today's Aftenposten describes the witnesses how they tried to persuade the rescue crews to come down to the beach, where serious injured youths were taken ashore by volunteers who drove the shuttle to Utøya.

But because the area was not cleared, they did not get the ambulances and other help crew take to the beach. It was deemed too risky, because it struck shot just off the breakwater.

Police in Nordre Buskerud Police District, Sissel Hammer, said that the police did everything in their power to save lives.

- The extent and severity in relation to the tragedy that took place on Utøya we have never before experienced. Whether the choices made that day would have consequences for the human lives could have been saved, is speculation. All aspects of this heinous act and the police's handling of it will be evaluated. We called in all available resources when the message came in, and I know that all our crews who worked the day did everything they could to save lives, says Hammer.

77 Minutes

It took 77 minutes to beat the national alarm

No one will answer why it took an hour and 17 minutes before the police beat the national alarm.

And the border was first ordered two hours and 36 minutes after the terror struck.

Why it took so remarkably long time, is not easy to answer.

Evaluation

The country's 27 police, NCIS and the National Police Directorate (POD) notes that the question of the national alert is a central part of the police evaluation after 22 July. Why would the police agencies do not provide information about the system worked?

The electronic system will contribute to rapid and reliable detection of situations that require rapid and coordinated law enforcement efforts, according to police handbook for crisis management.

Office of the alarm was sent at. 16.43. With reference to media reports police districts were asked to look for a gray van linked to the bomb that was triggered at. 15.26.

First two hours and 32 minutes later, at. 18.06, NCIS gave orders that it immediately should be implemented Nordic alarm which means border closing. It was only three minutes before the emergency squad landed on Utøya.

The responsibility to trigger the national alarm and Nordic Alarm is located at NCIS, at the request of the police districts and the Police Directorate.

A dedicated PC with a user identity to be, according to the internal instruction, standing in the operations center and always be turned on in all police districts. PC should only be used to send and receive alarm messages - and must be restarted once a day.

VG has asked all 27 police districts where the PC that receives alarm messages are physically standing - and if they were actually turned on that Friday. They refuse to answer any questions.

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They Took the Long Way Home

Where responding police Sissel Hammer Northern Buskerud on the criticism that has come after the police action on Utøya on 22 July, where more people have responded to why the police did not choose the shortest path when they come out to stop the mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik massacre under Labour Youth League summer camp.

Instead of going from Utvika, which was the closest harbor to Utøya, requested the police to lay out the Storøya - 3.64 km to the north. Several critics have argued that this may have delayed the arrest of Breivik.

- Whether the choices made that day would have consequences on human lives could have been spared the speculation, says the chief.

Chief of Staff Magne Rustad at Nordre Buskerud Police justify the decision that the pier had no båtutsettingsplass, and that the police did not know if it was possible to put a boat there.

- For tactical reasons, this was irrelevant in relation to the information that was available. It was also unacceptable to create a command position in relation to a campsite for the sake of what this could entail for the civilians who were there. Utvika Camping was not a feasible option. The choice fell on Storøya of several reasons that are considered law enforcement professional. Here the quick decisions that should maintain both security and practical implementation of the action, said chief of staff Magne Rustad.

- Used Utvika as observation post

According to chief of staff Magne Rust in Nordre Buskerud Police were Utvika used as an observation post when the police arrived. The police, who then did not know how many perpetrators who were on the island or if there were explosives on the island, began to control traffic to and from Utøya. ...

Police: We Could Not Have Been There in Eight Minutes!

Police reject the use of helicopters could be made that the emergency squad had been quicker to Utøya.

There has been speculation about whether police could be used by a Sea King helicopter was requisitioned from Rygge Air Base and was on Voldsløkka in Oslo when the message about the shooting on Utøya came.

At the press conference this afternoon underscored Fuller that the helicopter was requisitioned to deal with a possible mass evacuation of patients if capacity at the Oslo hospital was blown up. According to chief of staff of the Oslo Police District John Fredriksen was no emergency squad was familiar with this helicopter when they got the message that there was shooting on Utøya.

At the same time he points out that it would have taken time to redirect this helicopter from health mission to assist the emergency squad Utøya operation.

- Made it in our power

He also denies that the police could have used his own helicopter to get the squad quickly to bugs.

- Police helicopter is not a platform fitted to the troops. As a sharp tool such as the insertion of a sharp mission is the defense that has, says Fuller. ...

- It is important to know the totality of such images when creating an image that could have been on Utøya within eight minutes. It could not at all. There is much to be added to the timeline. We could not from the situation the country the machine Utøya. We also had anyway been a movement of water, says Fuller.

Instead of preparing a boat in the development, located on the mainland side of Utøya barely 700 meters away, police went to Storøya and took a boat from there - 3.5 miles from Utøya. Police admit to NRK that this decision may have delayed the arrest of Anders Behring Breivik.

According to Fuller, it was Northern Buskerud who made the decision that the police would launch his boat 3.5 kilometers from Utøya. Police Sissel Hammer Northern Buskerud have Tuesday and Wednesday morning not been available for comment.

Erik Øvergaard (42) and Otto Løvik (56) was one of the many vacationers who threw himself into the boat to rescue the terrified youngsters who had to swim from the mass murderer. The police believe the way to Utøya may have taken five times as long as it could have done.

- Otto called the police while we drove in and asked them to come to us, we explained how we were and what we were doing. Several times while we were back country so we wondered if they did not come soon. Had they come to the developer so they obviously have borrowed a boat right away, says Øvergaard to VG. ...

9/11 Redux

They Took The Long Way Home II

Police took a long detour when they come out to Utøya 22 July. It may have delayed the arrest of the perpetrator.

Police admit to NRK that they did not choose the shortest way to Utøya, which may have delayed the arrest of Anders Behring Breivik after the terrorist attacks on 22 July.

Instead of preparing a boat in the development, located on the mainland side of Utøya, police went on to Storøya and took a boat out of there. The small police boat, which was crowded with police emergency squad, began taking in water and was also a breakdown in the middle of the sea in the well over three-kilometer stretch south to Utøya.

According to NRK , there is only 675 meters distance between Utøya and marina Utvika. ...

It was Nordre Buskerud Police who determined where Delta was going to meet, according to chief of staff.

- When the emergency squad assists a police, as they always have a show place. In this case it was Nordre Buskerud decided that they would meet the emergency squad on the golf course on Storøya, he said.ime

- How much longer is the way the police chose?

- Drive I think is marginally longer, but the question is whether it could have taken less time on the water, he said.

Fuller says it may have been a number of considerations that led Storøya was chosen as the venue, but refer to the Northern Buskerud.

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Police in Northern Buskerud will not, however, on Tuesday evening to say something about why Storøya was chosen over Utvika.

- What is the standard answer to queries like this, is that these are issues that will be discussed in a later evaluation. The chief of police will be able to come back with an answer then, says operations manager Stig Væråmoen in Nordre Buskerud Police District told VG Nett.

He speaks on behalf of police Sissel Hammer, who do not wish to comment directly on Tuesday evening.

- Many concerned NOK feel a need to know why this path was chosen, since it may have had consequences for when Anders Behring Breivik was arrested?

- When it comes to relatives that we will come back with an answer as soon as we have the necessary documentation. We do not have the answer ready tonight, he said.

The police in Oslo, referring to recent evaluations of the action.

- Our challenge now is that the media ask such detailed questions that we are not able to answer them. These are questions that require thorough research and that will be reviewed in future evaluations of police work, says Johan Fredriksen.

First notification of shooting at Utøya on 22 July was received by AMK-center at 17.24, two hours after the bomb went off outside the high-rise government quarter. The time was 18.27 Anders Behring Breivik arrested, two minutes after the police emergency squad had gone ashore on the island.

At 1 hour and 19 minutes had Breivik shot and killed 69 people

Police Fuck Up Beyond Belief

People Afraid to Criticize Cops

20 Killed in Last 15 Minutes When Breivik Got Bored of Waiting For Police

During the last quarter hour before the perpetrator was arrested on Utøya, he may have killed at least 20 children, according to Aftenposten.

There is information from survivors and survivors, the reconstruction of the perpetrator route and phone logs to suggest that at least 20 youths were killed on Utøya over the last 15 minutes before the terrorist accused Anders Behring Breivik was arrested at 18.27 on 22 July, writes Aftenposten .

The latest killings According to Aftenposten have been three different locations on the island.

At the pump house, 13 children found murdered. Here, the perpetrator according to the reconstruction have been only once, and several in the group at the pump house was in contact with their relatives in the period between at 18.10 and 18.14. Survivors confirms Aftenposten reported that the perpetrator got there in the last quarter hour.

- No one was killed there before this time, says one of the surviving youngsters.

The offender will thereafter be passed on to two locations on the island where the ten children, according to police was found dead, writes Aftenposten .

Aftenposten writes that information from the phone logs confirming the survivors and the no-tell.

Also Brevik Geir Lippe City defender believes many may have been killed over the past quarter hour.

- It is certainly not speculative. On the contrary, likely, says Lippe City said.

BTW, all who trashed me for asking the most obvious and legitimate questions about this event should at least take the time to read these links.

You go, man.

stickdog99 wrote:BTW, all who trashed me for asking the most obvious and legitimate questions about this event should at least take the time to read these links.

Dang bro! You been busy this mornin.

Asking questions is good. Being open to possible answers is also good.

post away. posting links and info is a good thing.

i saw somewhere today they're opening up the island to the media now. and the name "massacre island" seems to be sticking.

No trial means no more questions.

29 November 2011 Last updated at 12:30 GMT

Norway massacre: Breivik declared insane

Psychiatrists assessing self-confessed Norwegian mass killer Anders Behring Breivik have concluded that he is suffering from paranoid schizophrenia.

They believe he was in a psychotic state during the twin attacks on 22 July that led to the deaths of 77 people and injured 151.

He was also insane during the 13 interviews the two psychiatrists held with them, a news conference heard.

Breivik admits carrying out the attacks but has pleaded not guilty to charges.

He has previously said the attacks were atrocious but "necessary", saying he was fighting to defend Europe from a Muslim invasion, which was being enabled by what he called "cultural Marxists" in Norway's Labour Party, and the European Union.

The two psychiatrists, in their report, concluded that he lived in his "own delusional universe where all his thoughts and acts are guided by his delusions".

The 243-page report will be reviewed by a panel from the Norwegian Board of Forensic Medicine.

Breivik, 32, is due to stand trial on 16 April for a hearing that would last 10 weeks.

It is unclear if the conclusions of the report - if approved by the panel - will prevent the trial from going ahead in its current form.

It will almost certainly mean that Breivik is detained into psychiatric care rather than receiving a lengthy jail term.

Before the report was made public, a lawyer for the victims said it did not matter what the conclusion was as long as Breivik was not allowed to go free.

"What will happen in the case, no matter what the conclusion, is that he (Breivik) will of course be incarcerated," John Christian Elden said.

"And if the outcome is criminally sane or insane, that is, first and foremost a psychiatric question. The most important thing in our clients' opinion is that he will not be able to walk the streets."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-15936276